Green light, unlit turn right arrow underneath.
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Right, I just wanna know who's in the right as I had a road rage incident today 
The lights that you see in the picture were red at first however after some time they have changed and looked exactly the same as in the picture presented (green light lit, the arrow to turn right underneath remained unlit) I was stuck behind a car, that wouldn't move, I have sounded my horn thinking his on the phone, however that didnt work, he remained still.
After some time the arrow underneath turned green aswell (I believe the lights on the opposite side of the road turned red) and only then he proceeded to clear the junction
Was it wrong of me to think you could proceed through the junction even though the arrow isn't lit up (green) I always though that if the light turns green you could proceed in any direction on that junction (left, right, straight) or am I just stupid as anything?
There is the picture:
The lights that you see in the picture were red at first however after some time they have changed and looked exactly the same as in the picture presented (green light lit, the arrow to turn right underneath remained unlit) I was stuck behind a car, that wouldn't move, I have sounded my horn thinking his on the phone, however that didnt work, he remained still.
After some time the arrow underneath turned green aswell (I believe the lights on the opposite side of the road turned red) and only then he proceeded to clear the junction
Was it wrong of me to think you could proceed through the junction even though the arrow isn't lit up (green) I always though that if the light turns green you could proceed in any direction on that junction (left, right, straight) or am I just stupid as anything?
There is the picture:
Haltamer said:
My understanding would be that you are able to proceed into the junction and (if safe to cross oncoming traffic) make the right turn.
The green arrow is simply an indication of "Protected" right turn - I.e. Oncoming has been stopped for you.
That is what I have always though, hence why I beeped at the geeza infront, I though I'm going a bit mental when it happend.The green arrow is simply an indication of "Protected" right turn - I.e. Oncoming has been stopped for you.
Like I said I would fully understand if there was care coming from opposite direction however it was fully clear I didnt see any reason for him not to go ahead and proceed through the junction.
NGee said:
Error_404_Username_not_found said:
^^this ^^
Deep breath and chill.
Okay matey was holding up proceedings but so what? At least he wasn't steaming through a red.
Patience is a virtue.
The OP is trying to educate himself on the workings of traffic lights.Deep breath and chill.
Okay matey was holding up proceedings but so what? At least he wasn't steaming through a red.
Patience is a virtue.
If more people asked questions about something they weren't sure on then maybe we'd could all learn something.
However with a patronizing and pointless reply like yours, I can see why people don't bother to ask.
Also for the people saying "you got all ragey over that" I'd like to remind you that you would fail your driving test if you didnt proceed on a green light and held up the traffic especially when nothing is coming from the opposite direction, but hey, what do I know.
XCP said:
Would you have got 'ragey' and honked at the car in front on your driving test? I think this is the point he was trying to make.
I dont see anything wrong with honking and I would probably do it on a test if someone didnt react to a green light after it's been green for roughly 10 seconds the reason I beeped it's because I though they're ain't paying attention and are on their phone.I do admit I shouldn't rage and start swearing but I didnt directly shout anything to him with an open window it was more of me moaning inside my car to myself kind of thing.
jurbie said:
I've had this happen to me twice now at the same junction so I suspect we might be witnessing the birth of a thing for not turning right on green until the arrow appears.
As per the OP it also annoyed the feck out of me the first time, the second time I just drove around the idiot. I'm not sure what the police reaction would be to doing that. It was entirely safe to do so but if I had to answer for it I would simply state that I thought the car in front had broken down.
Hahah, glad I'm not the only one.As per the OP it also annoyed the feck out of me the first time, the second time I just drove around the idiot. I'm not sure what the police reaction would be to doing that. It was entirely safe to do so but if I had to answer for it I would simply state that I thought the car in front had broken down.
AlexRS2782 said:
Same setup as a set of lights near me - only in this case the green right arrow hasn't illuminated / worked for at least 3 months now and doesn't look like it's getting fixed any time soon.
Most people already knew to turn right when there was a clear gap in approaching traffic, but some people still refuse to turn right without a green right arrow showing
Thankfully most realise they need to get out of the way & turn quite quickly once the traffic coming out of Waitrose starts heading straight at them 
Although there has been the odd instance where some stubborn drivers will just remain sat in the turning bay forcing the Waitrose traffic to work their way around them.
To be honest now that I think the only reason the car infront didnt move it's because maybe he was scared he might get flashed by a scammera, I believe there is one on that junction? Not sure if it's on the road we was turning from, I'm 100% sure there is one on the main road that we was turning into (right hand turn).Most people already knew to turn right when there was a clear gap in approaching traffic, but some people still refuse to turn right without a green right arrow showing
Thankfully most realise they need to get out of the way & turn quite quickly once the traffic coming out of Waitrose starts heading straight at them Although there has been the odd instance where some stubborn drivers will just remain sat in the turning bay forcing the Waitrose traffic to work their way around them. It seems they cause panic in some drivers more than anything tbh.
Durzel said:
What is the delay between the green and filter light coming on? Half a minute maybe, at most?
OP is right but raging out over something he wasn’t even sure about does speak volumes imo. On the scale of things people do on the road that are dumb or uneducated this ranks pretty low for me.
Irritating, yes, but you could do some deep breathing relaxation exercises in that ~30 seconds.
Like it has been stated sometimes the filter lights wont even come on, secondly I have already explained myself about the road rage incident on page 2 I believe, not my proudest moment but hey, we move.OP is right but raging out over something he wasn’t even sure about does speak volumes imo. On the scale of things people do on the road that are dumb or uneducated this ranks pretty low for me.
Irritating, yes, but you could do some deep breathing relaxation exercises in that ~30 seconds.
Like previously stated no words were actually exchanged, it was me kind of swearing in the car and talking alot of bs to myself inside my own car, I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one that's ever done that.
Beeping at someone thats stationary at a green light, well I'm not sure about what anyone else will do, but If someone is blocking traffic and the light comes on green, after 10 seconds of being stationary i come to a conclusion that theire either on their phone, or are completely not paying attention, and this might upset a couple people here but I will keep on doing it.
Nampahc Niloc said:
Personally see no problem with a short beep if someone is not moving at a green light. I’ve had to do it a few times and usually followed by an apologetic wave from the car in front. Sometimes people have just become distracted while waiting for the lights to change.
Exactly that mate 
After driving in London with my lorry I have noticed people just dont pay any attention to anything, whenever that's traffic lights, cyclist, buses or lorries it's like they simply dont care, I have noticed that people mostly do these silly things whenever there is a red light camera present, then everyone behaves like an angel infront of the lights, however if one is not present at a junction, the light might aswell stay red and it wouldn't bother them one bit.
Also indicating in London seems like a sign of weakness on the road lol.
Also indicating in London seems like a sign of weakness on the road lol.
I dont really want to make another topic, can someone assist me on this one;
I was driving on finchley road in London, coming up to a junction where I was gonna make a right hand turn, now the lights just turned green so i started proceeding through.
When I was around halfway through (halfway through the white solid line, a car on my left in a straight only lane was getting so close to me that he would either clip the side of my lorry or cause a bigger accident, my only option was to slam my breaks and beep to warn of my presence (silly I know how can you not see a 32T tipper) so that there was no accident.
Now here comes the issue, I was at a point where I could not see the lights anymore (there isn't any repeated lights at the end of the junction which I just find strange) so I'm unsure whenever the lights have turned red in the time I have stopped and got going again, as far as I'm concerned the cars that were behind me stayed behind the line while I have safely proceeded through the junction and made a right hand turn with caution (traffic from any direction did not yet move at that point)
There is a red light camera on that junction so I'm uncertain on how will they look at that and what defense would I have if I did get a NIP through the door?
Here is a picture of the junction -
I was either a bit past the second pole with the lights or I was so close to it that I didnt see them anymore from my cab, as you can see at the end of the junction there isn't any repeated lights like on most junctions.
I was driving on finchley road in London, coming up to a junction where I was gonna make a right hand turn, now the lights just turned green so i started proceeding through.
When I was around halfway through (halfway through the white solid line, a car on my left in a straight only lane was getting so close to me that he would either clip the side of my lorry or cause a bigger accident, my only option was to slam my breaks and beep to warn of my presence (silly I know how can you not see a 32T tipper) so that there was no accident.
Now here comes the issue, I was at a point where I could not see the lights anymore (there isn't any repeated lights at the end of the junction which I just find strange) so I'm unsure whenever the lights have turned red in the time I have stopped and got going again, as far as I'm concerned the cars that were behind me stayed behind the line while I have safely proceeded through the junction and made a right hand turn with caution (traffic from any direction did not yet move at that point)
There is a red light camera on that junction so I'm uncertain on how will they look at that and what defense would I have if I did get a NIP through the door?
Here is a picture of the junction -
I was either a bit past the second pole with the lights or I was so close to it that I didnt see them anymore from my cab, as you can see at the end of the junction there isn't any repeated lights like on most junctions.
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