All hail the new AI speed camera

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So an all singing dance camera for speeding, seat belt and phone use detection at the same time

https://www.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/news/24138542.dri...

Not wearing seat belt - fined up to £500 plus up to 2 penalty points.
Using a phone while driving - fine of £200 plus 6 penalty points.
Speeding - fixed penalty fine £100 plus 3 penalty points.

Damn, you would nearly be off the road under totting up procedure from a single camera.

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agtlaw said:

FMOB said:

So an all singing dance camera for speeding, seat belt and phone use detection at the same time

https://www.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/news/24138542.dri...

Not wearing seat belt - fined up to £500 plus up to 2 penalty points.
Using a phone while driving - fine of £200 plus 6 penalty points.
Speeding - fixed penalty fine £100 plus 3 penalty points.

Damn, you would nearly be off the road under totting up procedure from a single camera.

A bit of misinformation above.

Not possible to get 2 points or “up to 2 points” for a seatbelt offence. Seatbelt offence is non-endorsable. Fixed penalty £100. If prosecuted then it’s a level 2 offence (up to £500).

Mobile phone is a £200 fixed penalty with 6 points. If prosecuted then level 3 offence (up to £1000) with 6 points or a discretionary disqualification of any length.

Speeding is a £100 fixed penalty with 3 points. However, if prosecuted then level 4 fine for motorway offences (up to £2500). Level 3 fine (up to £1000) for other roads. 3-6 points or a discretionary disqualification of any length.

Indeed, the interesting bit was everything being combined into a single camera, throw in some AI and the risk to your licence from several offences being detected at the same time increases significantly.

I don't condone driving without a seat belt on or using a mobile phone but adding AI means the seat belt and phone are probably just the start of what could be detected using a camera. A clean licence is rapidly becoming an endangered species.

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vonhosen said:

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I don't condone driving without a seat belt on or using a mobile phone but adding AI means the seat belt and phone are probably just the start of what could be detected using a camera. A clean licence is rapidly becoming an endangered species.

Rubbish.

DVLA figures show that about 95% of licence holders have zero penalty points.

Source?

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Simpo Two said:

vonhosen said:

FMOB said:

I don't condone driving without a seat belt on or using a mobile phone but adding AI means the seat belt and phone are probably just the start of what could be detected using a camera. A clean licence is rapidly becoming an endangered species.

Rubbish.

DVLA figures show that about 95% of licence holders have zero penalty points.

Points per mile travelled would be more representative. Many people will have a licence but drive rarely if at all.

Anyway, I shall be immune from two offences as I always wear a seat belt and hate mobile phones so even if it's with me, it's switched off in the boot.

But what about bananas eh? Is it an offence to eat a banana, and how good is the AI camera at identifying fruit varieties? If it has a mass spectrometer it could fine you for farting too.

I think now about the time to start quoting Mark Twain...

There are 3 kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.

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helix402 said:

These cameras are not speed cameras. They have been used in Australia for several years. Research shows they have been hugely effective in reducing driver’s mobile phone use. All we need to do now is make driving using your phone socially unacceptable like drink driving. Which was once legal.

You are correct, the article doesn't mention speed so my bad but I would not be surprised in the least to find they have that capability if there are two fixed points in the camera field of view.

Compared to detecting a phone user or a missing seatbelt, measuring the speed of an object between 2 fixed points is a no brainer.

Wonder who provides the AI processing services for these things AWS, Google Cloud Services or someone else?

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Simpo Two said:

vonhosen said:

Simpo Two said:

vonhosen said:

FMOB said:

I don't condone driving without a seat belt on or using a mobile phone but adding AI means the seat belt and phone are probably just the start of what could be detected using a camera. A clean licence is rapidly becoming an endangered species.

Rubbish.

DVLA figures show that about 95% of licence holders have zero penalty points.

Points per mile travelled would be more representative. Many people will have a licence but drive rarely if at all.

Anyway, I shall be immune from two offences as I always wear a seat belt and hate mobile phones so even if it's with me, it's switched off in the boot.

But what about bananas eh? Is it an offence to eat a banana, and how good is the AI camera at identifying fruit varieties? If it has a mass spectrometer it could fine you for farting too.

He made the claim about licences.
I'm merely point out the facts which show that his hunch was incorrect & pointed him towards the data.

Data is a wonderful thing. But my hunch is that if you go out tomorrow and flag down 20 cars, more than one driver will have points on his licence. That would tell us if theory is reality.

Maybe points dished out per annum is a better metric along with speed awareness course per annum. It is easier than ever to pick up penalty points when out driving these days and is only going to become more likely as AI gets connected to more cameras and sensors.

Maybe the discussion should be about raising the points limit for a ban under the totting up procedure from 12 to something higher but then again the 12 point limit doesn't apply equally to all as we sometimes see in the media.

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Sporky said:

Sorry, being thick - what are KSI, RTM, and FTP in this context?

Aren't they YouTubers?