Magnificent 7s/Roadsport A spec car
Discussion
Hi All,
Firtst may I thank you for your intrest in the M7 series, most of us have spoken. I would like to make some comments. First I was the 750 MC Caterham rep for six years and do have a good understanding of the Championship reg's as I wrote them. A piont of intrest 750 MC run championsips not series, unless they are starting a new championship and therfore initially have to run a series.
There is a mixture of cars are registering for the M7 series from C 400's & R 400's to Roadstop A's and Grades. There are also Westfields, L A Golds Stykers ect. The regulations have been writen to keep the cost down as has been pointed out, however there is a regulation that states that cars may be moved into adifferent class depend on is lap time, so a havily modified 1600 cc k series producing in excess of 200 bhp would be moved from class A to class B, also cars may be moved down if necessary. This reg is desgined to help keep the cars in each class as equal as possible to ensure that each class has close competoative racing that is fun, and cheap as possible.
Cars may be moved from class to class by the CSCC after all the competitors have been asked for there thoughts and opinions, graeting a madjority decssion on any class change. If there are enough of a particular model of car then extra classes may be created.
I also will be at Snetterton on the 19 th and would be very pleased to meet you all and to answer any questions that any of you may have. Of course if you have any queries you can always contact me any time, contact details can be found at www.classissportscarclub.co.uk Magnificent Seven.
Firtst may I thank you for your intrest in the M7 series, most of us have spoken. I would like to make some comments. First I was the 750 MC Caterham rep for six years and do have a good understanding of the Championship reg's as I wrote them. A piont of intrest 750 MC run championsips not series, unless they are starting a new championship and therfore initially have to run a series.
There is a mixture of cars are registering for the M7 series from C 400's & R 400's to Roadstop A's and Grades. There are also Westfields, L A Golds Stykers ect. The regulations have been writen to keep the cost down as has been pointed out, however there is a regulation that states that cars may be moved into adifferent class depend on is lap time, so a havily modified 1600 cc k series producing in excess of 200 bhp would be moved from class A to class B, also cars may be moved down if necessary. This reg is desgined to help keep the cars in each class as equal as possible to ensure that each class has close competoative racing that is fun, and cheap as possible.
Cars may be moved from class to class by the CSCC after all the competitors have been asked for there thoughts and opinions, graeting a madjority decssion on any class change. If there are enough of a particular model of car then extra classes may be created.
I also will be at Snetterton on the 19 th and would be very pleased to meet you all and to answer any questions that any of you may have. Of course if you have any queries you can always contact me any time, contact details can be found at www.classissportscarclub.co.uk Magnificent Seven.
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Series looks good as an cheaper alternative, and if I had any spare time I'd bring the R300 out. Not sure how competitive a stock RSA car will be with cars in the same class. Even minor mods such as super grads cars lap a couple of seconds quicker than RSA pushing out a rumoured 150bhp.
Still, maybe with M7 its more about getting out on track, having a few battles with people and having a laugh. If your worried about having a car that is on the pace without spending a fortunate then a one make championship is the only way to go.
Like I say, series looks good and sure you boys will have a good time.
Still, maybe with M7 its more about getting out on track, having a few battles with people and having a laugh. If your worried about having a car that is on the pace without spending a fortunate then a one make championship is the only way to go.
Like I say, series looks good and sure you boys will have a good time.
That is it. M 7 is about haeing a laugh and as cheap as it can be made. As a group we will make the racing in each class as close as posible.
Yes if you want the cars all built to the same spec then single make championships are the way to go, but by there very nature the cost of running single make championships are high. I have been there and done that!
May be I am geting a liitle old, but I think that a hobby should be fun and having raced with CSCC for a season I can say that it was fun and back to grass routes motor sport!
Yes if you want the cars all built to the same spec then single make championships are the way to go, but by there very nature the cost of running single make championships are high. I have been there and done that!
May be I am geting a liitle old, but I think that a hobby should be fun and having raced with CSCC for a season I can say that it was fun and back to grass routes motor sport!
pw75 said:
Not sure how competitive a stock RSA car will be with cars in the same class. Even minor mods such as super grads cars lap a couple of seconds quicker than RSA pushing out a rumoured 150bhp.
If you're losing a couple of seconds a lap to a Super Grad in an 150bhp RSA you need to drive faster!I think the M7 series will get people who've bought ex-race cars as trackday cars to dip their toe in racing but I can't see how a series that allows mods can be any cheaper than one that uses sealed standard engines and as for the clubbie atmosphere, the Grads paddock is about as friendly as it gets!! All that said, if I still had my Super, I'd do a couple of rounds for variety and to see where I ended up!!
Good luck all
Current Roadsport A cars are under 120 BHP. Supergrads are same engine but with windscreens retained and with Yoko AO48's fitted. The Yokos are worth perhaps a second or so over the CR500's in the dry.
MegaGrads have a similar profile to the RSA cars (windscreens removed, widetrack, etc) but also have engine upgrade (Supersport cam and decat exhaust. The cam is probably worth 15 bhp and the hi-flow exhaust another 8 bhp or so although they will loose a bit of that this year as cats become compulsory in race series.
MegaGrads will be faster than RSA cars by virtue of having more power and stickier tyres.
Presumably M7 cars will run without windscreens and would be permitted to run the Megagrad cams and exhausts plus Yokos?
MegaGrads have a similar profile to the RSA cars (windscreens removed, widetrack, etc) but also have engine upgrade (Supersport cam and decat exhaust. The cam is probably worth 15 bhp and the hi-flow exhaust another 8 bhp or so although they will loose a bit of that this year as cats become compulsory in race series.
MegaGrads will be faster than RSA cars by virtue of having more power and stickier tyres.
Presumably M7 cars will run without windscreens and would be permitted to run the Megagrad cams and exhausts plus Yokos?
Hi,
I have run a team in single make championships, Caterham 1400 Roadsport championship in the mid to late nineties. The average buget to run a car for a season was £45.000. This was pre season car rebuild including engine and transmission, tyres, accident damage, testing ect. The following year I ran one car on a budget of £15.000. In 2000 I ran an R400 in the Superlite championship, Not compeleting in all the races on a £20.000 budget. I run my current R400 on a budget of £4000 per year. I can not see the arguement that single make champonships are cheap!
The idea of Magnificent Sevens series is to provide good fun racing that is affordable, which it is. The cost is down to the competitor, if he wishes to get out his cheque book he may, but he does not have to.
Tht idea of moving cars from class to class is to balance the cars performance, to provide as close racing as cheaply as we can.
If a competitor wishes to upgrade his car he may. If there are enough regular competitors racing a particular type of car then we can create a class for them.
Please read the reg's on the CSCC's web site at www.classicsportscarclub.co.uk If you have any further queries them please feel free to contact the race corrdinator contact details on the web site.
I have run a team in single make championships, Caterham 1400 Roadsport championship in the mid to late nineties. The average buget to run a car for a season was £45.000. This was pre season car rebuild including engine and transmission, tyres, accident damage, testing ect. The following year I ran one car on a budget of £15.000. In 2000 I ran an R400 in the Superlite championship, Not compeleting in all the races on a £20.000 budget. I run my current R400 on a budget of £4000 per year. I can not see the arguement that single make champonships are cheap!
The idea of Magnificent Sevens series is to provide good fun racing that is affordable, which it is. The cost is down to the competitor, if he wishes to get out his cheque book he may, but he does not have to.
Tht idea of moving cars from class to class is to balance the cars performance, to provide as close racing as cheaply as we can.
If a competitor wishes to upgrade his car he may. If there are enough regular competitors racing a particular type of car then we can create a class for them.
Please read the reg's on the CSCC's web site at www.classicsportscarclub.co.uk If you have any further queries them please feel free to contact the race corrdinator contact details on the web site.
Cuzza said:
pw75 said:
Not sure how competitive a stock RSA car will be with cars in the same class. Even minor mods such as super grads cars lap a couple of seconds quicker than RSA pushing out a rumoured 150bhp.
If you're losing a couple of seconds a lap to a Super Grad in an 150bhp RSA you need to drive faster!ah, typo, mega grad was what I meant..... and it is the mega grad pushing out 150. RSA's as Marchare said are 120.
2 seconds is spot on difference for silverstone national. 1'09's to super grad 1.07.
Anyway, we digress....
Over the years I have done a lot of one make championships and not found any cheap one's, until mow, Grads are cheap, keep up the good work! However if any of you want to have a different atmosphere then try Magmificent Sevens. There are some notable drivers registered who I have raced with over the years, who are quick and do take some beating. We are drivers who want to race for fun for more than 20 minutes. My budget pays for fourty minute races with thirty minute qualifying. Oh by the way my yearly budget also includes saving towards engine rebuild.
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