Interesting R620 for sale!
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anywaaaaayy back to topic...
It is disappointing that when they are doing marketing they are not engaging with existing customers, particularly those like nigelpugh7 who have history of known high end Caterhams. If I had to guess they are trying to appeal to the casual customer with the dashboard/switches like that.
However for something as mean as this which should only be on a track then it would make sense if you could spec the stack system (or comparable) out of the box. Guess its a tough balance between not changing and embracing change and with something this technically complicated/highly spec'd its hard to know where to go. I mean you would'nt purchase this for pootling about at slow speeds - with the usual caveat of more money than sense
I would like to see option of standard dash or more race suited dash to be made standard particular with how heavily its used on track across multiple race series. I imagine would not be too hard and would be nice to have a race spec'd dash fully integrated and looking nice
It is disappointing that when they are doing marketing they are not engaging with existing customers, particularly those like nigelpugh7 who have history of known high end Caterhams. If I had to guess they are trying to appeal to the casual customer with the dashboard/switches like that.
However for something as mean as this which should only be on a track then it would make sense if you could spec the stack system (or comparable) out of the box. Guess its a tough balance between not changing and embracing change and with something this technically complicated/highly spec'd its hard to know where to go. I mean you would'nt purchase this for pootling about at slow speeds - with the usual caveat of more money than sense
I would like to see option of standard dash or more race suited dash to be made standard particular with how heavily its used on track across multiple race series. I imagine would not be too hard and would be nice to have a race spec'd dash fully integrated and looking nice
Andy Bell said:
anywaaaaayy back to topic...
It is disappointing that when they are doing marketing they are not engaging with existing customers, particularly those like nigelpugh7 who have history of known high end Caterhams. If I had to guess they are trying to appeal to the casual customer with the dashboard/switches like that.
However for something as mean as this which should only be on a track then it would make sense if you could spec the stack system (or comparable) out of the box. Guess its a tough balance between not changing and embracing change and with something this technically complicated/highly spec'd its hard to know where to go. I mean you would'nt purchase this for pootling about at slow speeds - with the usual caveat of more money than sense
I would like to see option of standard dash or more race suited dash to be made standard particular with how heavily its used on track across multiple race series. I imagine would not be too hard and would be nice to have a race spec'd dash fully integrated and looking nice
Thanks for coming back on to the original topic!It is disappointing that when they are doing marketing they are not engaging with existing customers, particularly those like nigelpugh7 who have history of known high end Caterhams. If I had to guess they are trying to appeal to the casual customer with the dashboard/switches like that.
However for something as mean as this which should only be on a track then it would make sense if you could spec the stack system (or comparable) out of the box. Guess its a tough balance between not changing and embracing change and with something this technically complicated/highly spec'd its hard to know where to go. I mean you would'nt purchase this for pootling about at slow speeds - with the usual caveat of more money than sense
I would like to see option of standard dash or more race suited dash to be made standard particular with how heavily its used on track across multiple race series. I imagine would not be too hard and would be nice to have a race spec'd dash fully integrated and looking nice
The 620R price list does show that the Aces Shift Lights are Standard, but there is not an option for the Stack Dash.
I bet if you asked for one you could get it though, can't see them saying no to many people looking to spend £50K+
mic said:
Not sure that the wiring harness from a 620 would be compatible with a Stack dash, apart from that IVA may be a problem these days as the display is in the wrong position.
That's a very good point Mic, had not thought that the wiring loom would not support the stack config!It's also interesting what you say about the IVA and the stack dash display being in the wrong place.
Out of interest they have not had a problem with the stack config on the IVA before, have the IVA regulations changed recently?
I always found it strange that Caterham cars have not promoted the other products that they do, it is great that they have a cut away car and a nice shiny new model on display but what about the options with the chance to upgrade your car and to personalise it, not everyone can afford even the basic model but a second hand car maybe an option, why do they not take the chance to fuel their imaginations, shiny exhaust, aero screens, wide track conversions, paint options, alloy wheels. This is all part of customer service, looking after the future sales and spreading the word, creating the feeling of being friendly and approachable.
nigelpugh7 said:
mic said:
Not sure that the wiring harness from a 620 would be compatible with a Stack dash, apart from that IVA may be a problem these days as the display is in the wrong position.
That's a very good point Mic, had not thought that the wiring loom would not support the stack config!It's also interesting what you say about the IVA and the stack dash display being in the wrong place.
Out of interest they have not had a problem with the stack config on the IVA before, have the IVA regulations changed recently?
What there is , In between the two main dials is a gear indicator that also doubles as a shift light , have asked for photos but sounds an intriguing use of a single unit to perform multiple functions , less weight !
As. Far as noise is concerned I am told that the delivery may be marginally delayed because the solution will be an engineered one and not just a Blo££y big exhaust . Read into that what you will but it looks as if they are looking at the induction side as well .
CC have been pretty good at keeping me abreast of developments , I am an existing customer . I think when you have to staff up a show you need additional resources and some of those are co opted for the duration . Speak to the right people and you get a sensible response . Despite his elevated position the group chief executive has even replied to my emails about fairly mundane ( to him ) matters
I retrofitted a Stack ST8130M intergrated dash into my car, and all I can say is that as you all may know the dash is totally stand alone with all its own sensors and loom all in the box!,you can even option in boost reading and shift lights, and I/R timing, all in one place and readable if you have time to look!but the usercan define limits to red light any over/under limit values, true it cannot display all the info available at any onetime but I cannot imagin a top end car without something similar, but as noted it's time to change, but only if going the right way.
Induction shouldnt be an issue with that supercharger and that cast induction manifold, I have a full BTB ex system on mine car and struggle at Brands, I'd be well miffed if I got black flagged in my 50K plus new car, I think they have had a few issues already on Press/test days, I see they even list a de-cat pipe too which will make a difference too. Which ECU are they using?
curley said:
I have a 620 r on order , I was told yesterday that I couldn't definitely NOT have a stack as the loom would not support it , Also there is no aces shift light .
What there is , In between the two main dials is a gear indicator that also doubles as a shift light , have asked for photos but sounds an intriguing use of a single unit to perform multiple functions , less weight !
As. Far as noise is concerned I am told that the delivery may be marginally delayed because the solution will be an engineered one and not just a Blo££y big exhaust . Read into that what you will but it looks as if they are looking at the induction side as well .
CC have been pretty good at keeping me abreast of developments , I am an existing customer . I think when you have to staff up a show you need additional resources and some of those are co opted for the duration . Speak to the right people and you get a sensible response . Despite his elevated position the group chief executive has even replied to my emails about fairly mundane ( to him ) matters
Interesting, did they tell you why the current 620r price list shows the shift lights as standard, or do they mean the one you mention on the gear indicator?What there is , In between the two main dials is a gear indicator that also doubles as a shift light , have asked for photos but sounds an intriguing use of a single unit to perform multiple functions , less weight !
As. Far as noise is concerned I am told that the delivery may be marginally delayed because the solution will be an engineered one and not just a Blo££y big exhaust . Read into that what you will but it looks as if they are looking at the induction side as well .
CC have been pretty good at keeping me abreast of developments , I am an existing customer . I think when you have to staff up a show you need additional resources and some of those are co opted for the duration . Speak to the right people and you get a sensible response . Despite his elevated position the group chief executive has even replied to my emails about fairly mundane ( to him ) matters
Just checked again, the price list actually says it includes sequential shift lights?
Perhaps we had assumed that meant the ACES shift lights, and not the other ones mentioned?
Also want did CC actually say was the reason that you could not have a Stack dash? Just the wiring, or the fact that they don't want to supply the Stack unit all together?
I suspect that the R600 race cars wiring loom supports the stack dash, so why would the 620R also not support it?
Perhaps we had assumed that meant the ACES shift lights, and not the other ones mentioned?
Also want did CC actually say was the reason that you could not have a Stack dash? Just the wiring, or the fact that they don't want to supply the Stack unit all together?
I suspect that the R600 race cars wiring loom supports the stack dash, so why would the 620R also not support it?
nigelpugh7 said:
Seems even Caterham think that the other dash layout is a poor as we all thought!
http://uk.caterhamcars.com/pre-owned/1066-seven-62...
I can't believe even cc can be that blinkered as to think that people will pay £50k for a car with the naff gauges they have on the press car!
I'd have proper guages over the overly hard to read stack any day.http://uk.caterhamcars.com/pre-owned/1066-seven-62...
I can't believe even cc can be that blinkered as to think that people will pay £50k for a car with the naff gauges they have on the press car!
Edited by nigelpugh7 on Thursday 16th January 21:17
Stack dashes serve their purpose in single seat cars with no room for a dash; a seven has plenty room so lets have proper oil pressure and seperate oil / water temp guages please. Preferably in JPE yellow.
te, and have appalling customer service?k20erham said:
Induction shouldnt be an issue with that supercharger and that cast induction manifold, I have a full BTB ex system on mine car and struggle at Brands, I'd be well miffed if I got black flagged in my 50K plus new car, I think they have had a few issues already on Press/test days, I see they even list a de-cat pipe too which will make a difference too. Which ECU are they using?
From what i am led to believed the Induction noise is a issue along with exhaust , The car has been black flagged at nearly every Track its attended with recorded noise of 115db Some Gump said:
I'd have proper guages over the overly hard to read stack any day.
Stack dashes serve their purpose in single seat cars with no room for a dash; a seven has plenty room so lets have proper oil pressure and seperate oil / water temp guages please. Preferably in JPE yellow.
The gated alerts that are offered by the Stack make them worth every penny. Saved my engine several times when I had dry sump belt failures.Stack dashes serve their purpose in single seat cars with no room for a dash; a seven has plenty room so lets have proper oil pressure and seperate oil / water temp guages please. Preferably in JPE yellow.
I cannot see why anyone suggests they are hard to read.
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