Thoughts on Vauxhall Mokka Design
Discussion
Macron said:
Ooh, the SE, and in grey, I like it.
I mean you could have had a run of the mill Corsa, but instead you can ride those kerbs with aplomb being up so high, not concerned by the drop in fuel efficiency over the little thing it's based on, and didn't waste money on the Elite or Ultimate with all that posh stuff you don't need, the SE is the thinking buyer's choice. And the practicalities of a smaller boot than the competition are easily outweighed by the smart styling! I mean a Ferrari can still only go 30 in a 30 zone, and you've got more boot space come what may!
Still can't believe it never won Car of The Year, or Decade really, I mean just look at what you get!
You win ........I'm nominateing you for leader of the Labour Party I mean you could have had a run of the mill Corsa, but instead you can ride those kerbs with aplomb being up so high, not concerned by the drop in fuel efficiency over the little thing it's based on, and didn't waste money on the Elite or Ultimate with all that posh stuff you don't need, the SE is the thinking buyer's choice. And the practicalities of a smaller boot than the competition are easily outweighed by the smart styling! I mean a Ferrari can still only go 30 in a 30 zone, and you've got more boot space come what may!
Still can't believe it never won Car of The Year, or Decade really, I mean just look at what you get!
Edited by Macron on Monday 27th January 00:01
Johnnytheboy said:
Monkeylegend said:
Enough people are buying both Fords and Vauxhalls to suggest that the dislike for Vauxhall in particular on PH is not reflected by the general buying public.
There's probably a washing machine forum somewhere sneering at the buyers of, oh I don't know, Bosch washing machines. Some people just aren't that bothered about how good their car is.
Define good
OK, enjoyable to drive.
In the same way I don't give two s
ts how enjoyable to use my washing machine is, some people don't care how enjoyable to drive their car is, as long as it "gets them from A to B" and probably has a few nice toys.
Doesn't mean they are wrong, just that their priorities are different from the average PHer.
In the same way I don't give two s
ts how enjoyable to use my washing machine is, some people don't care how enjoyable to drive their car is, as long as it "gets them from A to B" and probably has a few nice toys. Doesn't mean they are wrong, just that their priorities are different from the average PHer.
Johnnytheboy said:
OK, enjoyable to drive.
My main experience of Vauxhalls is Corsas. I found them actively unpleasant to drive with harsh engines, gearshifts like week old stew and seats that caused me near instant and intense back pain.
In contrast other stuff that's regarded as dullness personified like Kias were competent, comfortable and even fun on occasion.
Monkeylegend said:
MikeM6 said:
Monkeylegend said:
Its just the usual PH Vauxhall bashing, we have these threads on a regular basis.
If you want to be one of the "in crowd" on here you have to jump on the Vauxhall are crap bandwagon. To say anything else would mean you have to have a balanced opinion and didn't mind what others think of you.
PHer's are special, we are gifted with knowledge that the ignorant, council, in bred, British public don't have, we are king.
Well that's what some like to think, bless them
Ok, but what about those that genuinely don't rate the Mokka, based on experience of driving a few of them (and indeed most of the current Vauxhall range)? If you want to be one of the "in crowd" on here you have to jump on the Vauxhall are crap bandwagon. To say anything else would mean you have to have a balanced opinion and didn't mind what others think of you.
PHer's are special, we are gifted with knowledge that the ignorant, council, in bred, British public don't have, we are king.
Well that's what some like to think, bless them
They are no worse than Fords I agree, but Hyundai and Kia are lightyears ahead these days.
t.Just because something is popular doesnt make it good.
I think PH slate vauxhall because there are far too many better (I'm every area) alternatives to even contemplate a VX. And, no I'm not just on about prestige marques.
It's like eating tripe. Why would you when you can have steak or even a hamburger..or even a ham slice..
I drive a crossover as a daily, it's cheap to run, tax and insure, parts are inexpensive and easy to fit. It has huge high profile tyres that shrug off potholes that break other cars wheels. Yes it looks naff and is pretty low performance but then compared to my bike nearly all cars are slow and boring. My work cars are essentially somewhere to sit out of the cold and wet with a heater and a radio beyond that I don't really care about anything else.
It's especially good in these floods we get all the time nowadays, it is high enough to negotiate floodwater without stalling or damaging the engine.
It's especially good in these floods we get all the time nowadays, it is high enough to negotiate floodwater without stalling or damaging the engine.
Monkeylegend said:
Enough people are buying both Fords and Vauxhalls to suggest that the dislike for Vauxhall in particular on PH is not reflected by the general buying public.
Lots of people watch Coronation Street, seemingly through choice. Doesn't mean it is worth watching.Vauxhall isn't terrible per se, but neither are they very good either. I don't agree with the blanket hatred of them simply for being a Vauxhall, but having driven most of the range in petrol and diesel, manual and automatic and in budget and higher trim levels, none left me thinking that I wanted one.
I think the dislike for them is that they position themselves as the antithesis of a PHer's interest. Middle of the road with no excitement. Not cheap and cheerful, not posh and pricey, not fast and fun, not sumptious and serene. They seem like a brand of car for those that don't like cars very much, selling cars not with the promise of a great driving experience or innovation and excitement, but for being a "British" brand for a long time. Which maybe feels like a cynical ploy to target customers who would base a decision on something daft like that. It's like they are not even trying to appeal to us.
I would love for Vauxhall to develop and sell a truly brilliant model. They just currently don't.
MikeM6 said:
Monkeylegend said:
Enough people are buying both Fords and Vauxhalls to suggest that the dislike for Vauxhall in particular on PH is not reflected by the general buying public.
Lots of people watch Coronation Street, seemingly through choice. Doesn't mean it is worth watching.Vauxhall isn't terrible per se, but neither are they very good either. I don't agree with the blanket hatred of them simply for being a Vauxhall, but having driven most of the range in petrol and diesel, manual and automatic and in budget and higher trim levels, none left me thinking that I wanted one.
I think the dislike for them is that they position themselves as the antithesis of a PHer's interest. Middle of the road with no excitement. Not cheap and cheerful, not posh and pricey, not fast and fun, not sumptious and serene. They seem like a brand of car for those that don't like cars very much, selling cars not with the promise of a great driving experience or innovation and excitement, but for being a "British" brand for a long time. Which maybe feels like a cynical ploy to target customers who would base a decision on something daft like that. It's like they are not even trying to appeal to us.
I would love for Vauxhall to develop and sell a truly brilliant model. They just currently don't.
Vauxhall as a brand in the big wide world sell lots of cars to people who want cars that Vauxhall make. They clearly know their target market quite well and it clearly does not include many PH'ers.
That doesn't make them bad cars.
MikeM6 said:
Monkeylegend said:
Enough people are buying both Fords and Vauxhalls to suggest that the dislike for Vauxhall in particular on PH is not reflected by the general buying public.
Lots of people watch Coronation Street, seemingly through choice. Doesn't mean it is worth watching.Vauxhall isn't terrible per se, but neither are they very good either. I don't agree with the blanket hatred of them simply for being a Vauxhall, but having driven most of the range in petrol and diesel, manual and automatic and in budget and higher trim levels, none left me thinking that I wanted one.
I think the dislike for them is that they position themselves as the antithesis of a PHer's interest. Middle of the road with no excitement. Not cheap and cheerful, not posh and pricey, not fast and fun, not sumptious and serene. They seem like a brand of car for those that don't like cars very much, selling cars not with the promise of a great driving experience or innovation and excitement, but for being a "British" brand for a long time. Which maybe feels like a cynical ploy to target customers who would base a decision on something daft like that. It's like they are not even trying to appeal to us.
I would love for Vauxhall to develop and sell a truly brilliant model. They just currently don't.
The Li-ion King said:
None of the cars shout excitement, more functional than anything else.
This makes me laugh, you seem to have forgotten about all the VXR models and numerous other fast Vauxhalls that have come and gone??Particularly in recent years i think it'd be fair to say the fast vauxhalls all sport far more aggressive, and exciting styling compared to the equivalent Ford that all the fan boys on here seem to love, and also most of these Vauxhalls were usually built YEARS before Ford or whoever got their act together to catch up in terms of build quality and performance.
Even the base models are very good though.
Definitely Vauxhall is the brand ph loves to hate. In many cases its nothing more than snobbery, as Vauxhalls tend to be popular with for low income families. I owned an Insignia for a couple of years and a very solid and competent car it was. If I were to level a criticism it would be that there was nothing about it that made it particularly enjoyable to drive. I find that in terms of steering, gear change slickness and handling feel, Ford are normally a step higher. That said, Vauxhall are probably no worse on this score than the likes of Citroen, Peugeot, Renault, Kia, Hyiundai etc (I'm talking the bread and butter models not sporty ones), so I'm not quite sure why there is such specific hatred for Vauxhall compared with other marques.
Edited by greenarrow on Tuesday 28th January 10:50
Edited by greenarrow on Tuesday 28th January 10:50
The people on this thread who extol the brilliance of the Mokka's design clearly set a low bar and need to pay more attention to what else is out there. The Mokka is a typical modern car, it is pure white goods, pretending to be an SUV, whereas in my opinion any decent SUV needs 4 wheel drive to suit owners' perceived "active lifestyle". The Mokka is ubiquitous, homogeneous crap that looks like any other pretend SUV that seem to flood the roads now thanks to the perpetual, inescapable cycle of debt that is PCP. Owners who extol their virtues have clearly never owned a seriously good car. For anyone who wants cheap A to B transport they are probably fine but please don't wax lyrical about the design.
greenarrow said:
...If I were to level a criticism it would be that there was nothing about it that made it particularly enjoyable to drive. I find that in terms of steering, gear change slickness and handling feel, Ford are normally a step higher...
I think therein lies the issue. I quite enjoyed driving a basic Hyundai for the day, I did not enjoy the Corsa. (I'm no fan of the Fiesta for that matter either).
I don't hate Vauxhall at all, I just don't like them much either.
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