GT5 Championship / Sunday 9pm

[Pvapour]

+1 bit out of order, this happened to me in round 2 after I rejoined the lounge, was going to pull over but when the race started it placed me at the back with Norbury anyway so didn't have to, think it the decent thing to do and something that should be understood moving forward....

love the Ring but I'm not very quick there tbo so quite happy with my places, highlights for me were R1 blasting away from Norbury on the straight and hearing his comments R2 close racing with Viper (sorry for outbrake taps impossible to see in the spray) and passing the R8 in the same way on the straight, wasn't sure if you were 4.2 or 5.2 but it became very apparent you were 4.2

not sure on the wet races, low grip is fun but the visibility issues are somewhat annoying

no decision heard at my end as yet Dice so would love to be included in the next one if poss?

[Pvapour]

-	GT5 Championship
1ST	Norbury90
2ND	pvapour
3RD	Diablos-666
4TH	Fartgalen
5TH	44quattro
6TH	Daz4m
7TH	Darkdice
8TH	E21_Ross
9TH	Vicpolky
=10TH	Mini1275
=10TH	R1chy11
11TH	Rex
=12TH	Pexy
=12TH	RouleDuke
13TH	Thestig44

[Pvapour]

ferrisbueller said:

When do the reserves find out if they're in? Not going to spend time practising and building cars if I'm not going to race.

think you're in the wrong thread ferris.

will get room up in 1/2 for usual connection testing issues.

not done any testing so dont know on tyres here....

[Pvapour]

ferrisbueller said:

Applies to both I guess, just wondered what the process was.

cant speak for Dice who is organising series 2 but for this series I just entered people once I received their car choices

Edited by Pvapour on Sunday 13th February 19:36

[Pvapour]

Fartgalen said:

Got the latest points table ready Nik ?

wow, didn't think people even noticed I was doing it!

up a bit later when I can get to view replays....

[Pvapour]

-	GT5 Championship
1ST	Norbury90
2ND	pvapour
3RD	Fartgalen
4TH	44quattro
5TH	E21_Ross
6TH	Diablos
7TH	Darkdice
8TH	Mini1275
9TH	Daz
10TH	Vicpolcy
11TH	R1chy11
12TH	Rex
13TH	Pexy
14TH	RouleDuke
15TH	Thestig44

[Pvapour]

Norbury, dont think it really matters mate, championship is in the bag for you anyway and it'd be a tad annoying in that car at Monza, was looking forward to a drag with you on the straight least this way I wont look like a bully go have fun with your new ponies I say

I'm with the majority on this one, 2 wheels on tarmac as per original rules with an exception made for that particular corner at DF, unless the new system outlaws/controls it for us.

[Pvapour]

excellent addition, just been playing with the SLR at Monza in the wet, adding balast and then moving it front to back makes a big difference + I can put an exhaust on it now and up the power like Norbury

[Pvapour]

we'll be keeping with 333 for this championship

[Pvapour]

managed a 1.59 in the wet with the SLR, dry time in the R8 not much different to Quattro.

[Pvapour]

Darkdice said:

Nick - question for you, and this is going to be hard to police if agree.

If you tweak car so its got more power than allowed and then use the power limiter to get it within regs the torque doesn't drop until you reduce power to around 75% - surely this cant be right? As if you do you have a much bigger advantage.

Personally i think it should be same rules as before update but as I said its very hard to police.

Also - re cutting chicanes - completely agree that this shouldnt be allowed at all but from discussions last night I would say that if (from the reply) its a one off and then some backs off/gives any places back understand that you might miss a breaking point but if there is clearly a banzai across the chciane (especially the 2nd one) then black flags should be the order of the day.

interesting, does the torque increase as you increase hp with mods? never noticed really, if not then you might find thats why it doesn't decrease with the new hp limiter?

if it's as you say, I'm not sure there'll be enough of a gain to be worried about tbo, if anyone is bothered though then I'd suggest they fork out for the higher hp mods and use the HP limiter, impossible to police other than say give everyone (who wants it) the advantage.

cutting, completely agree with your comments as they are in line with the original rules, 2 wheels on the black is the rule!

if one has out-braked themselves, then I feel (as you do) that no places should be gained, if they are? then gentlemanly conduct should follow by letting the person back passed you.

ANY deliberate (as deemed by other players) cutting of any chicanes will be an instant black flag with all points lost, the top 3 places in particular will be watched when I'm viewing the replays (yawn) for results.

2 WHEELS MUST BE ON THE BLACK AS PER ORIGINAL RULES

Deep Forest 7 or 9 laps Dice?

[Pvapour]

PeXy said:

What is the point in quali, one of us always press's race which makes all your effort wasted. Why don't we just do a 1 lap quali

its only ever one person

its only happened twice though

hoping Norbury can make it as the start is auto in 4 mins!!

[Pvapour]

Internet gone down here, start without me guys. Sending on iPhone

[Pvapour]

Pvapour said:

Darkdice said:

Nick - question for you, and this is going to be hard to police if agree.

If you tweak car so its got more power than allowed and then use the power limiter to get it within regs the torque doesn't drop until you reduce power to around 75% - surely this cant be right? As if you do you have a much bigger advantage.

Personally i think it should be same rules as before update but as I said its very hard to police.

Also - re cutting chicanes - completely agree that this shouldnt be allowed at all but from discussions last night I would say that if (from the reply) its a one off and then some backs off/gives any places back understand that you might miss a breaking point but if there is clearly a banzai across the chciane (especially the 2nd one) then black flags should be the order of the day.

interesting, does the torque increase as you increase hp with mods? never noticed really, if not then you might find thats why it doesn't decrease with the new hp limiter?

if it's as you say, I'm not sure there'll be enough of a gain to be worried about tbo, if anyone is bothered though then I'd suggest they fork out for the higher hp mods and use the HP limiter, impossible to police other than say give everyone (who wants it) the advantage.

After last night I'm definitely thinking you may have a point (if Ross used the HP limiter that is )



what a farce this week was! on a plus note I heard no complaints from anyone re chicane cutting

A false start again resulted in delays, can you change your button configuration Viper?

For some weird reason somewhere along the line I lost control of the room? yet I never left the lounge once from time of setting up the lounge?? anyone explain this?
the control thing doesn't actually bother me, but we then had connection issues for Rex & Norbury which is not normal, my connection (although lowly in speed terms) seems to have had the least problems thus far so am keen to try and keep at that way for final race.

R1 I completely out-braked myself at the 2nd chicane resulting in contact with Norbury, sorry! I pulled over to let him back passed and let about 4 people through (fair cop I guess) clawed most back when they went off at the next corner & then Norbury got disconnected so I was left in 2nd chasing Ross, 2nd or 3rd lap Ross got the 1st chicane wrong so I was right on him, I could easily out-brake & corner him but on the straights it was clear something was amiss

The Evora was clearly 10-15mph quicker than the R8 on the straight, now I know the R8 is not the quickest car in a straight line, the CSL & NSX are faster for instance, but they are an amount you would expect with 2wd, less weight etc. The Evora was in a different league again!

had you upped the power and then used the limiter Ross? if so, I think the discussion on here re the non loss of torque was displayed admirably last night and clearly way to much of an advantage to be ignored.

R 2 3 4 got disconnected

Dice - thanks for results, i did get R1 which I shall watch with interest later

personally I think this round should be re-run as there are were issues for original players Norbury & Rex, maybe mid week so as not to interfere with forthcoming dates? Rex & Norburys shout really, happy if people would just rather move on to the last round mind

some testing around the torque issue might not go amiss either

Hope next weeks final fling goes a little more smoooothly

Edited by Pvapour on Monday 21st February 09:10

[Pvapour]

interesting, wont be penalising anyone mate, if there was an unfair advantage you didn't do it knowingly anyway, I'd say the M3 & NSX are the quickest in a straight line at 400/1200, not seen quicker and expect them to be able to squeeze passed on a long straight, the only time I've been along side another Evora is Norburys in all the R2s but then I'm in the SLR so difficult to asses its straight line pace

Maybe just unfortunate timing then?? with discussions around torque advantages and me coming up against the galactically quick Evora 5mph quicker than the M3 down the straight though? without slipstreaming? I'd say that's quite allot, 5mph at Vmax will means allot more HP & £, but then HP normally means higher MPH not teh Torque

will watch the replays for exact difference between you & me but I'm pretty sure we'll see 10-15mph difference.

Its more interesting than annoying though Ross so dont get the wrong idea

[Pvapour]

not that bothered on a re-run so noo probs

just watched it Ross - difference is 10mph with the slip stream 5 mph otherwise so not as significant as it felt

big difference seemed to be your acceleration to that speed & thats probably a combo of torque and less weight as the R8 is 1260kg.

all good, I got fastest lap anyway so cant have been any advantage overall, just ignore me was a good close race

[Pvapour]

Darkdice said:

Pvapour said:

For some weird reason somewhere along the line I lost control of the room? yet I never left the lounge once from time of setting up the lounge?? anyone explain this?
the control thing doesn't actually bother me, but we then had connection issues for Rex & Norbury which is not normal, my connection (although lowly in speed terms) seems to have had the least problems thus far so am keen to try and keep at that way for final race.

Re loss of room - I did see u disconnect when norms did early on it was just after u said race auto start was 20 mins weird thing was after race one you were back as room owner ie with the crown!

Judging by the horsepower Ross mentions below this would equate to pegging of around 80 – 85% which means torque would be up.

Also on this, take my M3 GTR – I can only get the weight of this to around 1230kg (so 30 kg over limit) the next weight reduction would drop it to 1166kg IIRC. Now I could do this and then add 34kg of ballast and suddenly my M3 GTR would be 1200/404. Maybe I should do for next week and I was murdered by pretty much everyone in a straight line, but like you was miles better on the brakes and in corner entry.

E21_Ross said:

nick - my evora did seem faster on the straights than your R8, but not 10-15mph, i was talking to dice and he said he was hitting "160-odd" down the back straight, i think i managed 165 at one point so not much different to him. it had been tuned to about 435-440bhp and pegged back, so it wasn't fully tuned by a long way. i did also notice in the 333 race though, that norb's evora, when side by side, was quicker than my R8, but hardly loads, maybe 3-4mph down the straight at most. likewise, in my R8, i was chasing another R8 (can't remember who though) and even with slipstream i could only match the pace.
Ross.

Ross – Yes to 160 odd down the main staright but that was in my 911 which is a 333 car not a 1200/400 – M3 for ref was pulling no more than 151mph without the draft.

I will watch Race 2 tonight as be interesting to see who hit me before the 3rd chicane which in turn punted me into Norbs.

Nick - not sure if this will work but I could email you the replay file you should able to play it from the main PS3 menu if not within GT5. Let me know.

Edited by Darkdice on Monday 21st February 11:04

the plot duth thicken

side by side comparison with Ross (no slip streaming) he was consistently 5mph faster even though my exit speed from the last turn was 5 mph higher than his that got me looking at how the Evora clawed back 10mph by the 1st chicane; 1/2 way down the straight it was already faster than the R8 and i'm not sure the R8s additional weight would play much of a part in it at these speeds, it must be the torque, very interested to see what the differences are when Ross compares them.

nothing personal Ross just something we need to be clear on with the impending Championship

Dice - just need the fastest lap from R2 if you could get that? dont think (other than your incident) there's any need to watch for hicane cutting? dont know, was it an issue in R2? from what I could see in R1 everyone was pretty much on the money

[Pvapour]

Fartgalen said:

Not really anything to do with button config Nik. It's the game that defaults the arrow to the 'start race' button when you quit to pit. Then inattentiveness to location of said arrow when you want to return to the track.

maybe remove the boxing gloves then

love the images, especially the Patrick moore, looks like I missed some good racing

[Pvapour]

Darkdice said:

Re loss of room - I did see u disconnect when norms did early on it was just after u said race auto start was 20 mins weird thing was after race one you were back as room owner ie with the crown!

Edited by Darkdice on Monday 21st February 11:04

weird, I never left the lounge, not once??? never had to rejoin....

the fact that the room owner changed though means you are right, but if I never rejoined the room HTF does that work!! very strange.

by the way, I thought the auto start feature would stop false starts, it doesn't, is there really any advantage in it then?

-	GT5 Championship
1ST	Norbury90
2ND	pvapour
3RD	Fartgalen
4TH	E21Ross
=5TH	Goodwoodfos
=5TH	the_big_sleep
6TH	Darkdice
7TH	R1chy
8TH	vicpolky
9TH	Diablos
10TH	Torquenstein
11TH	Rex218
12TH	pexy123
13TH	OLD_G_KUSH
14TH	thestig44

Edited by Pvapour on Monday 21st February 13:14

[Pvapour]

just been testing two fresh Evoras:

completely std Evora 269hp, 439 PPs - Monza, straight from pits > 200 marker 103mph
stage 3 tuned + ecu 355hp, then hp limited to 269hp (same as std car), 446 PPs - Monza, straight from pits > 200 marker 110mph

torque does give quite an advantage, 7mph over a very short distance but it seems PPs allow for it because even though the modified Evoras HP was limited to equal the std cars 269hp, it still had 7 more PPs.

with the new championship being PP based it might not be a problem