GT5 Championship / Sunday 9pm

[Roule Duke]

vicpolky said:

The topic of driving to not hit one another is important.
I'll just say now that I'm as guilty as anyone at losing concentration and missing my braking points sometimes, but I'm trying hard to improve.
I'd rather compromise my own lap than hit someone - that's how I drive in real life, and that's how I think we should approach this.
It's not rocket science - if you are behind someone, unless you take a very different line (clearly inside for example) you can't stick to your own normal braking point. You have to allow for the other car's braking space - this is compounded earlier on in the races, especially first corners where there are many cars braking into corners - we should be braking to allow for the car in front's braking. It's not good enough to think "I'm a faster driver than you" and just bludgeon through. The general principle of if you do hit someone, letting them rejoin in front of you is a good one, but we should be aiming to make any contact a rare exception.

ETA - similarly, if you're the car in front you have to be aware that the car behind might make a move down the inside, and take care not to just cut in on them on your preferred line, defending your line as per real-life racing is fine, but that's different. It it hard, especially without the benefit of side mirrors, but we all have to try to take account of this.

Well put, i totally agree... firstly i like to start by saying that I've also been guilty of colliding with people from time to time, i try my best to avoid any contact but it’s going to happen. However If i indeed tap someone causing them to spin out, leave the track etc.. i make a point of waiting for them.

For me the best part of racing on-line is having clean battles with someone for a prolonged period of time, in some instances this far out weights the satisfaction of winning. Some of the most enjoyable races I've had have been when I've been towards the back of the grid, and I've followed someone or I've been followed really closely for prolonged period of time without any contact. This is the sort of satisfaction you can only get online.

Top effort by everyone involved in putting this championship together, i must say I’m very impressed. Seeing it all laid out above has really got me excited. I can't wait to start practicing the tracks, testing different cars, setting them up and everything else that goes with it.

Edited by Roule Duke on Thursday 6th January 15:22

[y2blade]

44quattro said:

y2blade said:

wow you take a different tone on here, it sounded like you were enjoying yourself last night

Don't use a mic, got me confused with someone else?

perhaps, but all was fine and dandy in the text chat.....no-one was deliberately ramming anyone

if you were that upset by anything then post all about in in the relevant thread..no one last night was out to upset anyone


edit...I've asked them for you
I'm sure no one was out to spoil your evening

Edited by y2blade on Thursday 6th January 15:28

[vicpolky]

I haven't seen anyone apart from the odd random appear to deliberately ram someone, but I think it would be great if we could take it to the next level and try really hard to cut out the careless bashes.

I'm really looking forward to the championship - I don't expect to do very well, but some of the 'back of the pack' racing we do is great fun, and good quality.

[y2blade]

vicpolky said:

I haven't seen anyone apart from the odd random appear to deliberately ram someone, but I think it would be great if we could take it to the next level and try really hard to cut out the careless bashes.

I'm really looking forward to the championship - I don't expect to do very well, but some of the 'back of the pack' racing we do is great fun, and good quality.

me and you can race for last place

I'm still getting used to the wheel tbh

[vicpolky]

y2blade said:

me and you can race for last place

I'm still getting used to the wheel tbh

Ha, I've actually done the last couple nights back on my sixaxis controller, as I have to faff about rearranging my front room to get the wheel set up (not popular). I love driving with the GT wheel though.

[Pvapour]

Roule Duke said:

vicpolky said:

The topic of driving to not hit one another is important.
I'll just say now that I'm as guilty as anyone at losing concentration and missing my braking points sometimes, but I'm trying hard to improve.
I'd rather compromise my own lap than hit someone - that's how I drive in real life, and that's how I think we should approach this.
It's not rocket science - if you are behind someone, unless you take a very different line (clearly inside for example) you can't stick to your own normal braking point. You have to allow for the other car's braking space - this is compounded earlier on in the races, especially first corners where there are many cars braking into corners - we should be braking to allow for the car in front's braking. It's not good enough to think "I'm a faster driver than you" and just bludgeon through. The general principle of if you do hit someone, letting them rejoin in front of you is a good one, but we should be aiming to make any contact a rare exception.

ETA - similarly, if you're the car in front you have to be aware that the car behind might make a move down the inside, and take care not to just cut in on them on your preferred line, defending your line as per real-life racing is fine, but that's different. It it hard, especially without the benefit of side mirrors, but we all have to try to take account of this.

Well put, i totally agree... firstly i like to start by saying that I've also been guilty of colliding with people from time to time, i try my best to avoid any contact but it’s going to happen. However If i indeed tap someone causing them to spin out, leave the track etc.. i make a point of waiting for them.

For me the best part of racing on-line is having clean battles with someone for a prolonged period of time, in some instances this far out weights the satisfaction of winning. Some of the most enjoyable races I've had have been when I've been towards the back of the grid, and I've followed someone or I've been followed really closely for prolonged period of time without any contact. This is the sort of satisfaction you can only get online.

Top effort by everyone involved in putting this championship together, i must say I’m very impressed. Seeing it all laid out above has really got me excited. I can't wait to start practicing the tracks, testing different cars, setting them up and everything else that goes with it.

Edited by Roule Duke on Thursday 6th January 15:22

couldn't put it better lets hope everyone feels the same & we're in for some good battles throughout the field

Have sent everyone on the List an email with regard to a test session this Sunday, test host line in particular as I'm not sure me hosting is such a good idea with BB speed.

If anyone has NOT received an email & they want to be included on any Championship messages that are sent then please send me a mail so I can add you

[y2blade]

Pvapour said:

Roule Duke said:

vicpolky said:

The topic of driving to not hit one another is important.
I'll just say now that I'm as guilty as anyone at losing concentration and missing my braking points sometimes, but I'm trying hard to improve.
I'd rather compromise my own lap than hit someone - that's how I drive in real life, and that's how I think we should approach this.
It's not rocket science - if you are behind someone, unless you take a very different line (clearly inside for example) you can't stick to your own normal braking point. You have to allow for the other car's braking space - this is compounded earlier on in the races, especially first corners where there are many cars braking into corners - we should be braking to allow for the car in front's braking. It's not good enough to think "I'm a faster driver than you" and just bludgeon through. The general principle of if you do hit someone, letting them rejoin in front of you is a good one, but we should be aiming to make any contact a rare exception.

ETA - similarly, if you're the car in front you have to be aware that the car behind might make a move down the inside, and take care not to just cut in on them on your preferred line, defending your line as per real-life racing is fine, but that's different. It it hard, especially without the benefit of side mirrors, but we all have to try to take account of this.

Well put, i totally agree... firstly i like to start by saying that I've also been guilty of colliding with people from time to time, i try my best to avoid any contact but it’s going to happen. However If i indeed tap someone causing them to spin out, leave the track etc.. i make a point of waiting for them.

For me the best part of racing on-line is having clean battles with someone for a prolonged period of time, in some instances this far out weights the satisfaction of winning. Some of the most enjoyable races I've had have been when I've been towards the back of the grid, and I've followed someone or I've been followed really closely for prolonged period of time without any contact. This is the sort of satisfaction you can only get online.

Top effort by everyone involved in putting this championship together, i must say I’m very impressed. Seeing it all laid out above has really got me excited. I can't wait to start practicing the tracks, testing different cars, setting them up and everything else that goes with it.

Edited by Roule Duke on Thursday 6th January 15:22

couldn't put it better lets hope everyone feels the same & we're in for some good battles throughout the field

Have sent everyone on the List an email with regard to a test session this Sunday, test host line in particular as I'm not sure me hosting is such a good idea with BB speed.

If anyone has NOT received an email & they want to be included on any Championship messages that are sent then please send me a mail so I can add you

I'll check email when I get home
really looking forward to this championship

thank you

[Norbury90]

I agree with the idea that online racing is as much about having clean but close battles with other guys. Whenever I used to race with guys from GTP on Prologue, the races were always very fair and clean... in a 5 lap race around Suzuka, the top 6 finished within about 5 seconds of each other, having chased each other round in a train for the entire race, attacking and defending the whole way!

Hopefully the fact that the races will be uploaded to Youtube will mean that we can see if anybody is being totally out of order on multiple occasions and kick them out. When you are racing, you never deliberately drive into anyone. If they are in front of you, then you slow down unless you know its safe to overtake. Obviously the problem will be exacerbated by the relxed rules on 400/1200... the lighter cars with less powerful will be much better on the corners but much slower along the straights. As long as everyone can recognise the speed differences then it should be ok.

Oh also, for anybody using the nose-cam, you can change the button configuration to give you views to the left and right of your car. I find it super handy as if i'm overtaking someone or being overtaken, once they are close to being alongside, I have no clue where they are or what they are doing. I have swapped the left and right directional buttons to be my side views.

[Pvapour]

dont know about others but I think I'd cause more crashes flipping from side view to front view plus i'd probably be (sufferer with motion sickness)

I'll try some sound options tonight, I'm guessing if someone is on your right hand side their sound should come through the right hand speaker.

[Darkdice]

MSTRBKR said:

IMO it's a big problem. Grand Valley last night was a joke, hardly anyone was driving as if other cars were even on the track.

You're right, saying woops I'm not used to the car is no excuse because you should be braking earlier to find the limits of the car.

Admittedly I did hit darkdice during a duel but that wasn't a braking zone. I was following behind accelerating out of a corner and the speed differential was suddenly massive for some reason and I hit him. No idea how it happened.

I'm always really careful about hitting people, probably why I finish in the back half most of the time...

Me and you both. I try and give people room but I always seem to get mullered and end up last unless I get a clean get away like tsukaba last night.

Personally if more of us used mics then we could let each other know exactly what is going on.

You cant win a race on lap 1 but you can certainly bugger up someone elses race!

[anonymous-user]

Darkdice said:

MSTRBKR said:

IMO it's a big problem. Grand Valley last night was a joke, hardly anyone was driving as if other cars were even on the track.

You're right, saying woops I'm not used to the car is no excuse because you should be braking earlier to find the limits of the car.

Admittedly I did hit darkdice during a duel but that wasn't a braking zone. I was following behind accelerating out of a corner and the speed differential was suddenly massive for some reason and I hit him. No idea how it happened.

I'm always really careful about hitting people, probably why I finish in the back half most of the time...

Me and you both. I try and give people room but I always seem to get mullered and end up last unless I get a clean get away like tsukaba last night.

Personally if more of us used mics then we could let each other know exactly what is going on.

You cant win a race on lap 1 but you can certainly bugger up someone elses race!

Yeah last night was very good calling out which side we were on. I enjoyed our little tustles on Laguna, especially going into the corkscrew.

[Darkdice]

Yeah they were good laugh.

If we turned mechanical damage on full, so after 1/4 lap your car isnt fixed, do we think this will get prople to calm down.

I'd be up for it as i think it will focus the mind a touch more!

[Evo]

Definately worth putting damage on. The only down side is if someone spins in front of you and you can't avoid hitting them but that does happen rarely.

[anonymous-user]

Another problem with that is people charging back onto the track when they go off. You can be completely taken out of a race through that.

[vicpolky]

Darkdice said:

If we turned mechanical damage on full, so after 1/4 lap your car isnt fixed, do we think this will get prople to calm down.

I'd be up for it as i think it will focus the mind a touch more!

I think most know my opinion on this, :-) I'd be up for it. I'd never have thought it either, but I've been in a room all night where this was the rule (you had to go to the pits to fix the car) and the quality of the racing was the best I've seen online. Once you'd been round a couple of times in practice, binned the car and had to limp round and get it fixed, you start to think okay, lets do this properly. I reckon it just makes you think and behave more like a real driver - if you want to pass someone, you have to wait for a good time to do it, not just shove past immediately. And you are way more conscious of not binning someone else's race with contact.

Anyway, I know it's not generally liked as an idea, but just my two pence.

[Pvapour]

vicpolky said:

Darkdice said:

If we turned mechanical damage on full, so after 1/4 lap your car isnt fixed, do we think this will get prople to calm down.

I'd be up for it as i think it will focus the mind a touch more!

I think most know my opinion on this, :-) I'd be up for it. I'd never have thought it either, but I've been in a room all night where this was the rule (you had to go to the pits to fix the car) and the quality of the racing was the best I've seen online. Once you'd been round a couple of times in practice, binned the car and had to limp round and get it fixed, you start to think okay, lets do this properly. I reckon it just makes you think and behave more like a real driver - if you want to pass someone, you have to wait for a good time to do it, not just shove past immediately. And you are way more conscious of not binning someone else's race with contact.

Anyway, I know it's not generally liked as an idea, but just my two pence.

we can try it in sundays shakedown, try min. damage also as this might be a healthy compromise.

you get the email Vic? (hunting everyone down )

[vicpolky]

yep, sorry, just replied.

[Roule Duke]

No email received... email address is [e-mail]

[Darkdice]

Pvapour said:

vicpolky said:

Darkdice said:

If we turned mechanical damage on full, so after 1/4 lap your car isnt fixed, do we think this will get prople to calm down.

I'd be up for it as i think it will focus the mind a touch more!

I think most know my opinion on this, :-) I'd be up for it. I'd never have thought it either, but I've been in a room all night where this was the rule (you had to go to the pits to fix the car) and the quality of the racing was the best I've seen online. Once you'd been round a couple of times in practice, binned the car and had to limp round and get it fixed, you start to think okay, lets do this properly. I reckon it just makes you think and behave more like a real driver - if you want to pass someone, you have to wait for a good time to do it, not just shove past immediately. And you are way more conscious of not binning someone else's race with contact.

Anyway, I know it's not generally liked as an idea, but just my two pence.

we can try it in sundays shakedown, try min. damage also as this might be a healthy compromise.

you get the email Vic? (hunting everyone down )

I'm with vic on this. Min damage is on in the normal rooms and doesnt really do much apart from slows you up for 30 secs. Lets stick full damage - and edge of the track on "real" grip limits which should also help.

Edited by Darkdice on Friday 7th January 13:19

[Pvapour]

Roule Duke said:

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