Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020

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peter tdci said:

red_slr said:

Well did a few hours last night Have to say, I am not enjoying the actual flying. The 747 is horrible. Really, really horrible. It just feels like a game, arcade game type of feeling.

PMDG have said we are looking at Q1 21 for aircraft. Even then I have my doubts they will fly like they do in P3D.

I think I am going to let my £1 month run its course, try a few more planes but probably uninstall and wait till next year. Back to P3Dv4 and DCS I go.

As has been said before, no serious simmer/avgeek ever bought the original FS or P3D for the default aircraft. I can't see serious add on aircraft (like PMDG or FSLabs) appearing soon though.

With P3D, aircraft developers have had the same (or similar) game engine for years. Everything is new with MSFS, but at least there is some activity from 3rd parties using the SDK with mods appearing in the A32N. How that will work with the Flight Sim Labs A320X, where a lot of the modelling is done outside P3D, I don't know.

Actually I remember reading somewhere that it's not all new.... There is still some legacy FSX in there somewhere ...

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peter tdci said:

Narcisus said:

Actually I remember reading somewhere that it's not all new.... There is still some legacy FSX in there somewhere ...

I hope that it has been updated to 64bit then

Think they compromised and went for 48bit

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red_slr said:

Nvidia launch their new cards. Assuming $=£ then we are looking at

3070 c.£500 8GB similar performance of 2080ti. (for half the cost!)

3080 c.£700. 10gb. Faster than 2080ti by 2x.

3090 c£1500. 24gb. Faster than Titan X.

Will be interesting to see how FS2020 works with the new cards.

I remember when I started this thread just after watching the announcement thinking wow I bet they incorporate all the latest tech... Ray Tracing etc.... How wrong could I have been not even using DX12 !

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J4CKO said:

fourstardan said:

anxious_ant said:

i watched a Youtube video where guy benchmarkeds against various GPUs. He was using 3950X, 32GB DDR4 ram and M.2 nVMe.

He found that the game could be ran at 30fps minimum on a few GPUs in high settings (1080/1440) and some on 25fps on 4K Ultra.

The limiting factor is that the game only utilises 4 cores of current gen CPUs. That's why some see high CPU utilisation even on i9 10k or 3950X, especially over New York.

Is this going to change?

I did a bit of tuning of the visuals last night, I have a 3900X, 32Gb and a 2060 Super, the FPS mode tells you whether you are GPU or CPU limited, it tries to render each frame in a 16.7 ms wndow (I think thats it) and it will say Mainthread or GPU as the bottleneck.

I found I was getting 35/40 FPS whatever I did with the visuals at 1080, turned everything up until the GPU was just about the bottleneck, it just picks four cores and hammers them on whatever you have.

Think there is some further tweaking I can do but decided to just get on fly a Beechcraft Kingair from TF Green in Rhode Island to Atlantic city, as it was starting to get dark. Did some setting up of the controls, worked out the AP on that plane and landed it pretty successfully.

Going to go back to a 172 and learn that as best I can as think am going to get some flying lessons, not particularly to get my PPL but to get some actual experience and so I have actually flown a plane.

You will probably find flying the real thing is actually easier than the sim ...

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surveyor said:

U.K. scenery out now.. https://www.uk2000scenery.co.uk/copy-of-bristol-20...

Gary's airports are great I've been using them for a very, very long time...

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Yeah it screwed my install.... Haven't bothered putting it back on.

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red_slr said:

Cancelled my game pass tonight. Still got a few days left but will give it a few months and see how things have developed right now I am not finding the gfx make up for the poor physics and major bugs like the 747 auto pilot issues.

Not cancelled my game pass but I no longer have it in my drive. Like yourself I’ll have another look in 6 months.

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RobM77 said:

Hmm.. How do you know it’s not just realistic and P3D is the one that’s arcadey? Bumps in runways, finding the flare on landing difficult and understeer when a big plane is overloading a tiny nose wheel sound realistic to me. I’ve often noticed even experienced pilots don’t always get the flare right. If the sun was ‘arcadey’, that would mean they smooth over those sorts of little details, surely?

I’ve actually been impressed by the sim’s little realistic touches. Turbulence for example and the fact the plane’s always moving slightly - way better than other sims. You even get realistic updraft and turbulence on the windward side of mountains and hills. In driving sims, something I can appraise as I race in real life, it’s little things like that which sims often don’t get right - race tracks are never perfectly smooth for example, and it’s not actually that easy to drift a mid engined racing car. The latter is something simmers constantly moan about with the better sims out there....

How it feels.... Have you used P3D Rob ? Apart from all the bugs I agree with the other guys. I've spent thousands of hours with FSX and P3D and FS2020 just doesn't feel right ... Hard to put my finger on it.

I've probably used just about every flight sim since 1983 and have around 30hrs on 152's and PA-38's so have some experience.

I'm sure they will sort it and when they do i'll try again.

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Downloading addons from Compuserve on a v32 modem ...

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Cl4rkyPH said:

Got my SSD installed and purchased the game via CDKeys but still haven’t been given an activation code. To be honest, I have no idea what I even do with it once I get it.

This is what I’ve got below:



Waiting for their Live Chat to come back to me (queue position 100 ) and will report back!

I gave up on CDKeys some time back. Personal experience as I know others have no problem with them.

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kowalski655 said:

Narcisus said:

I gave up on CDKeys some time back. Personal experience as I know others have no problem with them.

I've been waiting since the 8th for their "support" to get me the key for War in the East, supposedly in stock but they are waiting for the supplier!
Never had a problem before

I used them for years then three times on a trot my purchases were stopped for some kind of review that would take 30 minutes .... Only it didn't take 30 minutes it took 12 hours for one and 2 days for the others.... Not good when they promise instant delivery and you just feel like playing a particular game.

Not used them since.

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scottyp123 said:

What is the best way for me to get this game. I have had flight simulator games since the first edition, I had it as a kid on the BBC B and I think it was based on a spitfire shooting aliens or something like that. Since then I've had a couple of different ones and still use FSX with an oculus rift/fly inside.

My set up currently is a 120GB SSD with just windows and FSX on it, all the oculus games are on a 2TB mechanical HDD that has loads of free space. Processor is an i7 8700K and there is 16GB of RAM.

Is it possible to get FS2020 up and running without swapping out the SSD for something bigger, I don't particually want to have to reinstall windows and all the Oculus stuff again, I did it recently when I swapped it all over to the D drive. I know its possible to just install the main oculus program and keep all the games as they are on the D drive but in theory I find it better and easier (if not a lot more long winded) to just start again with a clean install.

Grab it for a quid on gamepass and give it a try. That’s all it’s worth at the moment.

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El stovey said:

souper said:

FS2020 vs Real Life, Landing in Gatwick UK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-meVo-bhMw

Pretty good approximation for autogen.

It’s pretty good isn’t it. Looking at the Japan update, it’s going to keep getting better too.

The trouble is that because it’s so good, it makes things like the two control towers at Gatwick and all the multi story buildings or lack of bridge from the north terminal to the satellite all stand out even more.

Some of the Japan update airports are really impressive.

Hopefully as the U.K. has very few realistic cities etc then we'll get a big update sooner rather than later.

Maybe I need to give it a bit more of a chance.... That was very good !

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ArsE82 said:

Narcisus said:

El stovey said:

souper said:

FS2020 vs Real Life, Landing in Gatwick UK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-meVo-bhMw

Pretty good approximation for autogen.

It’s pretty good isn’t it. Looking at the Japan update, it’s going to keep getting better too.

The trouble is that because it’s so good, it makes things like the two control towers at Gatwick and all the multi story buildings or lack of bridge from the north terminal to the satellite all stand out even more.

Some of the Japan update airports are really impressive.

Hopefully as the U.K. has very few realistic cities etc then we'll get a big update sooner rather than later.

Maybe I need to give it a bit more of a chance.... That was very good !

Some of the fields were different colours in real life.

Practically unplayable.

yeah one of the fields in the sim was actually a lake ! On the strength of this video I drove 180 miles to sail my pond yacht ... I'll be after recouping my petrol costs Microsoft !

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Cl4rkyPH said:

mstrbkr said:

The 1.9.5.0 update has just been released a couple of hours ago.

"The VFR map should no longer crash the title during a flight".

Should?

So glad that I've only paid £2 to play this game so far...

“Should no longer” it says?

It really is $hite.... Glad some are enjoying it though....

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Cl4rkyPH said:

I see what you mean!

I definitely don’t think it is $hite, but they definitely do need to sort these glitches out.

I do... But then I also spent months testing it ....

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RobM77 said:

I genuinely can't understand why anyone would think MSFS is anything other than jaw-droppingly amazing. I've played it since launch and found a few glitches, but nothing show stopping. 99.9% of it works well and it's a stunning sim. Given it was released during the pandemic I think that's pretty decent.

Also I'm sure there's loads of frustrated people stuck at home who would rather play it now than wait until it's perfect at Christmas time...

Wait until it’s perfect at Christmas time !!

That’s fine I respect your opinion genuinely I can’t understand why anyone would think it’s anything but a pile of steaming crap.

One day I hope it isn’t and I can transition to it. I suspect that time will be considerably longer than two months ....

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Are people still using this ? In other news I did a great flight on Sunday in the Turbine Duke from Tampa down to the Florida keys.... Eye candy my not be quite as good but I have tons of proper liveried traffic a decent working weather system and a proper working Garmin :-)

Had another look at FS2020 a few weeks ago and it was still a mess.... Took of from Doncaster in the TBM engaged the autopilot and it planted its nose in a field !

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El stovey said:

I’m playing on it still, just VFR hooning around plus some old school instrument flying in the 152 using the steam powered VOR and ILS.

Yeah the 152 flies OK but still suffers from the weird torque issues when on the ground. I really hope the sim survives because it does have great potential.

Another thing that I don't really like is the strange kind of stippled effect you see in the graphics when I was on the beta I meant to spend some time messing with Nvidia settings to see if I could improve it but got fed up.

I always said it would take them 6 months to get something like I'll raise that to at least 12 ... A far cry from the promises the team were making before release ...