Cyberpunk 2077 - NO SPOILERS!

[Shadow R1]

mmm-five said:

Already started pricing up mine, as I'm not planning on getting a new Xbox, so man maths says I've already saved £500 of my budget.

At about £1750 at the moment, but there are places where I can reduce the specs a little and not notice, but enough to save £500-ish.

£1750

• AMD R7 3700X (£275)
• ASUS TUF Gaming X570-PLUS WIFI (£200)
• 2x16gb Crucial Ballistix 3600 CL16 (£140)
• 1TB Corsair MP600 Gen4 m.2 SSD (£175)
• RTX3080 (£700 - assuming $1 = £1)
• GT501 mid-ATX case (£140)
• Corsair RMX 850 80+ Gold PSU (£120)

£1250

• AMD R5 3600X (£180) - This is fine for games.
• ASUS TUF Gaming X570-PLUS (£180) - unless you need wifi this is fine.
• 2x16gb Corsair Vengeance 3200 (£120) - It's worth going up to the 3600mhz for the £20 difference.
• 1TB Crucial P1 m.2 SSD (£100) - This will be fine, no real world gain from a faster drive (I have tested both).
• RTX3070 (£500 - assuming $1 = £1) - Maybe worth spending here for the 3800, depending on the monitors res you play at. Your call though.
• Corsair 4000D Airflow mid-ATX case (£80) - if the items fit then all good.
• Corsair TXM 750 80+ Gold PSU (£80) - This is fine, even for the rig above.

Already have monitor(s) and plenty of HDDs for longer-term storage, and not planning on doing any overclocking so extra cooling/radiators/etc. not needed either.

Edited by mmm-five on Monday 21st September 14:39

Added a few notes.

[mmm-five]

Trustmeimadoctor said:

CPU isn't a limit at 4k it's all GPU bound CPU can bottleneck on low Res due to feeding the sheer number of frames

Just thought the extra headroom of 2 more cores of the R7 would help with the 90%+ processor usage seen in some of the R5 benchmarks in that video.

But £500 is £500 - I could get the Xbox and the PC

[mmm-five]

Shadow R1 said:

Added a few notes.

Thanks, added to my previous options.

Edited by mmm-five on Monday 21st September 15:14

[Lucas Ayde]

mmm-five said:

Already started pricing up mine, as I'm not planning on getting a new Xbox, so man maths says I've already saved £500 of my budget.

At about £1750 at the moment, but there are places where I can reduce the specs a little and not notice, but enough to save £500-ish.

£1750

• AMD R7 3700X (£275)
• ASUS TUF Gaming X570-PLUS WIFI (£200)
• 2x16gb Crucial Ballistix 3600 CL16 (£140)
• 1TB Corsair MP600 Gen4 m.2 SSD (£175)
• RTX3080 (£700 - assuming $1 = £1)
• GT501 mid-ATX case (£140)
• Corsair RMX 850 80+ Gold PSU (£120)

£1450:

• AMD R5 3600X (£180)
• ASUS TUF Gaming X570-PLUS (£180)
• 2x16gb Crucial Ballistix 3600 CL16 (£140)
• 1TB Crucial P1 m.2 SSD (£100)
• RTX3080 (£700)
• Corsair 4000D Airflow mid-ATX case (£80)
• Corsair TXM 750 80+ Gold PSU (£80)

£1250

• AMD R5 3600X (£180)
• ASUS TUF Gaming X570-PLUS (£180)
• 2x16gb Corsair Vengeance 3200 (£120)
• 1TB Crucial P1 m.2 SSD (£100)
• RTX3070 (£500 - assuming $1 = £1)
• Corsair 4000D Airflow mid-ATX case (£80)
• Corsair TXM 750 80+ Gold PSU (£80)

Already have monitor(s) and plenty of HDDs for longer-term storage, and not planning on doing any overclocking so extra cooling/radiators/etc. not needed either.

Edited by mmm-five on Monday 21st September 15:15

Y'know, given the published 'recommended' specs you could pick up the 'monthly subscription' deal for Xbox Series S for 21 quid a month x24 and it would probably play a very decent game of Cyberpunk 2077 at 1080p, as well as get you instant access to all the stuff included in the games pass. £29 a month for the X and native 4K.

That'd still leave you with enough spare change to get a decent gaming PC which you could upgrade at your leisure (and which would also benefit from the Game Pass games library).

[George Smiley]

Unfortunately here’s one area you cannot apply man maths.

500 quid on an Xbox gives you the consoles lifetime of games

1700 quid minus 500 using man maths takes no notice of the next new thing next week

Also no driver issues

[mmm-five]

I've still got over 18 months left on my Game Pass Ultimate subscription anyway (I took advantage of the upgrade for £1 offer last year) - but am finding I'm playing more & more on PC (on a dual boot iMac in W10 under bootcamp) as I can extend the gameplay by using mods/reskins/etc. This is even with the downgrading in performance I get using this set-up.



I'm a Mac fan, but even I realise you can get more for your money elsewhere, and there's no way I'm spending over £3k on a new 5k iMac (that even with the top-spec 5700XT won't perform particularly well in games) when I can 'save' by buying a PC specifically for gaming (will still use the dual-boot machine for work) - even if I add an Xbox-Series-X to the budget



If it was really as a 'work' machine then I could justify the Apple premium somewhat, as I need both Windows and MacOS for different clients.

[mmm-five]

George Smiley said:

500 quid on an Xbox gives you the consoles lifetime of games

Doesn't the Game Pass Ultimate only last the length of the 24 month lease? After 24 months you're back to paying £10.99 a month (or £7.99 for the console-only version)?

[anonymous-user]

I watched the trailer for this yesterday and the scene where the guy arrives at a kinda flat to have the chip removed from his neck, I feel i have played that before, is this game a remake? Or have I just watched the trailer a couple years back and forgotten?

[RobDickinson]

That trailer was out early last year

[Trustmeimadoctor]

mmm-five said:

George Smiley said:

500 quid on an Xbox gives you the consoles lifetime of games

Doesn't the Game Pass Ultimate only last the length of the 24 month lease? After 24 months you're back to paying £10.99 a month (or £7.99 for the console-only version)?

Yes your right if it was lifetime that would be Lovely but it's not

[anonymous-user]

Did he not mean a lifetime of games being released on that platform that will run Vs a PC that may need upgrading again in 3 years time

Not actually free games but the architecture and performance

[Mafffew]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

You can build a PC now which will out perform the next-gen consoles throughout their entire lifetime. If you want to run all the new games at max settings all the time, then yes you will likely need to upgrade in a few years, but it is not a necessity.

But consoles vs PC has been done to death. They all have good and bad points, different strokes for different folks etc.

[Jinx]

Mafffew said:

You can build a PC now which will out perform the next-gen consoles throughout their entire lifetime. If you want to run all the new games at max settings all the time, then yes you will likely need to upgrade in a few years, but it is not a necessity.

But consoles vs PC has been done to death. They all have good and bad points, different strokes for different folks etc.

Or you have both - consoles for sofa gaming, pc for when you need a keyboard + mouse or HOTAS set up.

[anonymous-user]

Jinx said:

Or you have both - consoles for sofa gaming, pc for when you need a keyboard + mouse or HOTAS set up.

This.

[Lucas Ayde]

Or use an STB that will support streaming the games from your PC to the telly....

I play most of my PC games on my living room TV courtesy of my NVidia Shield box. Also does a great job of streaming games from the cloud GeForce Now service. Games play almost exactly like they would on a console as most PC games now support Joypad control. You can also attach a mouse/keyboard but that's not really optimal if you are sitting in your living room.

Pretty much any Android based STB or TV can run Moonlight (if you have a Geforce Card and want to benefit from enhancements in certain games) and Steamlink for everything from Steam.

[Flat6er]

Devs have just ordered a crunch. They specifically said last year they would not mandate one. But looks like the deadline is looming.

https://www.thesixthaxis.com/2020/09/30/cyberpunk-...

[vonuber]

Flat6er said:

Devs have just ordered a crunch. They specifically said last year they would not mandate one. But looks like the deadline is looming.

https://www.thesixthaxis.com/2020/09/30/cyberpunk-...

Disgusting, really.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Flat6er said:

Devs have just ordered a crunch. They specifically said last year they would not mandate one. But looks like the deadline is looming.

https://www.thesixthaxis.com/2020/09/30/cyberpunk-...

What's worse is that the word is that there have already been a number of "non-mandated" crunches. Although we all know that even non-mandated ones are pretty mandatory. It's just weasel-words really.

(Having said that, I was recently engaged by a client specifically on crunch terms. But that's ok because I have gone in with my eyes open on it and they are paying handsomely for it, and I need the money).

[deckster]

vonuber said:

Flat6er said:

Devs have just ordered a crunch. They specifically said last year they would not mandate one. But looks like the deadline is looming.

https://www.thesixthaxis.com/2020/09/30/cyberpunk-...

Disgusting, really.

?

Pretty standard practice. None of these people are slaves and six days of overtime to get your multi-year, high-profile project over the line is hardly a huge ask. Certainly in my development days we were asked for much worse; the week of 8 hour-on, 8-hour off shift working to get some piddly call centre application live on time was a particular highlight.

[mmm-five]

deckster said:

?

Pretty standard practice. None of these people are slaves and six days of overtime to get your multi-year, high-profile project over the line is hardly a huge ask. Certainly in my development days we were asked for much worse; the week of 8 hour-on, 8-hour off shift working to get some piddly call centre application live on time was a particular highlight.

I 'fondly' remember some 12 week projects entailing 20 hour days (with the weekend off, which were only good for catching up on sleep). Usually when they'd budgeted/billed for a 5-7 person team and then decided little old me and a colleague would be enough.

Strangely the days shortened considerably when my next project was hourly-billed, with overtime rate. Seemed to work out as cheap to get a couple of extra team members than pay the equivalent of 140 hours pay a week (40 hours @ x1, 40 hours at x1.5, 20 hours @ x2) per person.

With more team members the quality of work was better, and there was less re-work, from living off coffee and pizza through the night.