Gran Turismo 7

[ferrisbueller]

jammy-git said:

The issue with the online time trials is that (as I understand it) you have to be with X seconds of the top time to get anything. Which usually takes lots of time to practise. Which casual games don't have.

10%, which is a lot.

The game rewards people who are good at it and/or put the time in. Is that not how it should be?

jammy-git said:

Also, the circuit experiences, the only ones I'm really struggling to get close to gold on (other than the 'ring, now done) are the rally ones. Seem to be much easier with a controller than a wheel, but I resent the fact that I have to change to a controller just to get golds when it's the game that's broken.

How is the game broken?

jammy-git said:

Put it this way, in GTs of old, I could work towards wanting to get a car (say the 20m Jag), buy in, use it for a while, then sell it for 10m and it wouldn't be so much of a graft to get the next 20m car I wanted.

Now, you buy the 20m car, use it, no point in selling it, and now you have to start all over again from 0 to get the next car.

That I get. But the game doesn't force you to do any of it. I'm totally at ease with the fact I will never "drive" or own all of the cars in the game.

[ferrisbueller]

SturdyHSV said:

ferrisbueller said:

I think people have forgotten how much of a grind some of the older games were.

And how much time they gladly put in to them when they were younger

I remember doing the Sunday Cup over and over and over in GT, because you then won a Mazda Demio which you could sell for 12,000 credits, which was a significant amount of money at that stage of the game

Exactly. Grinding events in small Jap boxes to tune them to be able to get into the next tier of events. Hours and hours of it. It was mostly enjoyable, too.

I've not fired those games up in a long time. I might do that one evening just out of interest. My PS2 is out on loan, I need to get it back!

[MCBrowncoat]

ferrisbueller said:

SturdyHSV said:

ferrisbueller said:

I think people have forgotten how much of a grind some of the older games were.

And how much time they gladly put in to them when they were younger

I remember doing the Sunday Cup over and over and over in GT, because you then won a Mazda Demio which you could sell for 12,000 credits, which was a significant amount of money at that stage of the game

Exactly. Grinding events in small Jap boxes to tune them to be able to get into the next tier of events. Hours and hours of it. It was mostly enjoyable, too.

I've not fired those games up in a long time. I might do that one evening just out of interest. My PS2 is out on loan, I need to get it back!

Aaah the old GT grind. It's true, I used to love it. I was 17 I think when GT1 came out.

I have a thing where I must have driven round Autumn Ring a certain number of times in an RX7 with the Renown livery whilst also listening to the album Vanishing Point by Primal Scream. Whenever I hear the song If They Move, Kill 'Em, I can see that car on that track driving down the pit straight. It became burned into my memory.

[TommoAE86]

ferrisbueller said:

SturdyHSV said:

ferrisbueller said:

I think people have forgotten how much of a grind some of the older games were.

And how much time they gladly put in to them when they were younger

I remember doing the Sunday Cup over and over and over in GT, because you then won a Mazda Demio which you could sell for 12,000 credits, which was a significant amount of money at that stage of the game

Exactly. Grinding events in small Jap boxes to tune them to be able to get into the next tier of events. Hours and hours of it. It was mostly enjoyable, too.

I've not fired those games up in a long time. I might do that one evening just out of interest. My PS2 is out on loan, I need to get it back!

Sell a demio or two and then put the biggest turbo on your car and then go really fast into a wall

They still play well when I fired them up earlier this year, but the graphics will make your eyes bleed before you get into the grind

[rampageturke]

jammy-git said:

Ignoring the glitch for a second, yet another patch where nothing of note has been addressed.

The early month patches are for the bugs they introduced in the previous late month patch

Les84 said:

I’m hoping some day PD stop doing the rolling starts in races.

I wouldn't mind as much if they were traditional rolling starts. Some rolling starts in sports cars have cars closer together than they would be on a traditional grid.

[witten]

rampageturke said:

I wouldn't mind as much if they were traditional rolling starts. Some rolling starts in sports cars have cars closer together than they would be on a traditional grid.

The rolling starts really get on my nerves. On the GT1 menu you start about half a lap behind anyone else. It practically encourages shunting and slow corner dives just to catch up/

I am also annoyed that when they do an update I have to wait 45 minutes for it to download then install it when I only have 1 hour to play it before starting work. I don't understand why it doesn't download in the background.

[ecsrobin]

witten said:

The rolling starts really get on my nerves. On the GT1 menu you start about half a lap behind anyone else. It practically encourages shunting and slow corner dives just to catch up/

I am also annoyed that when they do an update I have to wait 45 minutes for it to download then install it when I only have 1 hour to play it before starting work. I don't understand why it doesn't download in the background.

It can if you put it on standby mode?

[W201_190e]

A trio of Astons

[Avenicus]

What are you guys doing for credit grinds these days? If I google it, I get a load of "ZOMG 2m per hour" youtube videos.

I've been doing the Spa one-hour (with the AI that has no idea about the weather map) and Sardegna Road Track PP800 (just over 25 mins).

Not looking for ultimate credit ratio, but what other races are worth it with a decent credits per hour ratio for a bit of variety?

[ecsrobin]

I’ve switched it off. Seems I own every car in used car dealership and just need lots of money for the expensive stuff which isn’t easy to come by.

[jammy-git]

Same. I've not had a great deal of free time in the last couple of weeks, but I did have an hour yesterday and ended up switching it on and then not bothering. It's just not particularly rewarding for a casual gamer.

[SturdyHSV]

Avenicus said:

What are you guys doing for credit grinds these days? If I google it, I get a load of "ZOMG 2m per hour" youtube videos.

I've been doing the Spa one-hour (with the AI that has no idea about the weather map) and Sardegna Road Track PP800 (just over 25 mins).

Not looking for ultimate credit ratio, but what other races are worth it with a decent credits per hour ratio for a bit of variety?

Le Mans 700pp is the best credit ratio I think, and as there's also some variable weather it's at least a bit of interest. It's 30 minutes, 7 laps basically, although you can long it out to 8 just for the 'fun'.

My general gameplay loop at the moment is to pick a random road car, tune it to 700pp (go power biased because Le Mans) and do a 30 minute race. Pays out 825,000 (almost impossible to lose the clean race bonus) and is almost unloseable if you have a powerful car.

It gets more challenging if you go the lightweight route to 700pp, under 400bhp means you struggle on the straights a bit and there's just not many corners to make up the difference.

If you just want to win it, a tuned NSX is very frugal so can easily 1 stop whilst not having to fuel save, for ultimate ease a 787B swapped RX-7 uses almost no fuel at all and doesn't touch its tyres, so can easily avoid pitting altogether on lean fuelling but you need good weather to pull that off, alternatively go full power map and pit around the weather etc.

Personally I like using big engined older supercars, tuned for ~600bhp or so, means a lot of fuel saving, but I generally wangle it so I pit at the start of lap 6, get some new hards on, do a lean out lap and then full power for the final lap to try and get under 4 minutes, using about 65% of the tank in one lap

[ecsrobin]

You can now also bet on GT world championship races to win extra credits.

[Avenicus]

SturdyHSV said:

Le Mans 700pp is the best credit ratio I think, and as there's also some variable weather it's at least a bit of interest. It's 30 minutes, 7 laps basically, although you can long it out to 8 just for the 'fun'.

My general gameplay loop at the moment is to pick a random road car, tune it to 700pp (go power biased because Le Mans) and do a 30 minute race. Pays out 825,000 (almost impossible to lose the clean race bonus) and is almost unloseable if you have a powerful car.

It gets more challenging if you go the lightweight route to 700pp, under 400bhp means you struggle on the straights a bit and there's just not many corners to make up the difference.

If you just want to win it, a tuned NSX is very frugal so can easily 1 stop whilst not having to fuel save, for ultimate ease a 787B swapped RX-7 uses almost no fuel at all and doesn't touch its tyres, so can easily avoid pitting altogether on lean fuelling but you need good weather to pull that off, alternatively go full power map and pit around the weather etc.

Personally I like using big engined older supercars, tuned for ~600bhp or so, means a lot of fuel saving, but I generally wangle it so I pit at the start of lap 6, get some new hards on, do a lean out lap and then full power for the final lap to try and get under 4 minutes, using about 65% of the tank in one lap

Thanks!

[MG CHRIS]

I've jumped on to a racing league site so doing that ATM without it may do a few nights if daily races but that's about it. Really not interested in repeating same race over and over again. This has to be the worse GT games for game content so far.

[MCBrowncoat]

Avenicus said:

SturdyHSV said:

Le Mans 700pp is the best credit ratio I think, and as there's also some variable weather it's at least a bit of interest. It's 30 minutes, 7 laps basically, although you can long it out to 8 just for the 'fun'.

My general gameplay loop at the moment is to pick a random road car, tune it to 700pp (go power biased because Le Mans) and do a 30 minute race. Pays out 825,000 (almost impossible to lose the clean race bonus) and is almost unloseable if you have a powerful car.

It gets more challenging if you go the lightweight route to 700pp, under 400bhp means you struggle on the straights a bit and there's just not many corners to make up the difference.

If you just want to win it, a tuned NSX is very frugal so can easily 1 stop whilst not having to fuel save, for ultimate ease a 787B swapped RX-7 uses almost no fuel at all and doesn't touch its tyres, so can easily avoid pitting altogether on lean fuelling but you need good weather to pull that off, alternatively go full power map and pit around the weather etc.

Personally I like using big engined older supercars, tuned for ~600bhp or so, means a lot of fuel saving, but I generally wangle it so I pit at the start of lap 6, get some new hards on, do a lean out lap and then full power for the final lap to try and get under 4 minutes, using about 65% of the tank in one lap

Thanks!

Yeah I agree with all of this, it's how I won all my money. I didn't really get bored of it, it's a fun track to drive, you get to whack it up to fuel save 1 for the odd lap to see what that car will really do, you get to tune and drive all those cars that have just been sat in your garage, you therefore get to learn what all the traits and strengths of that car are, and the variable weather which is anything from stting down for three solid laps to totally dry throughout means it's always interesting

I just did it for the I-don't-know-how-many-times-now (well over one hundred) in the Countach Anniversary and I learnt something about it. The brakes are terrible! And they were carbon!

I will say though, it would be nice if the game mixed up the grid!

[lazybike]

I'm mostly playing ACC now.

[SturdyHSV]

MCBrowncoat said:

I will say though, it would be nice if the game mixed up the grid!

The Le Mans 24 minute challenge was great fun with the grid of appropriate stuff, the fact you win 5,000 credits (once) for 80% of the same race is a classic example of GT7's balance...

Although of course even that was ruined by the comedy rolling start meaning you need a car that's far quicker over a lap as opposed to just being 'competitive' if you want to get near the front.

[AndyDefault]

Just been having few goes at Daily Race C at Deep Forest and curious to see what everyone's pit strategy is. I'm lapping at a similar pace to the top drivers using softs but by the end of the race am 40+ secs behind.

Any tips would be appreciated!

[Les84]

SturdyHSV said:

The Le Mans 24 minute challenge was great fun with the grid of appropriate stuff, the fact you win 5,000 credits (once) for 80% of the same race is a classic example of GT7's balance...

Although of course even that was ruined by the comedy rolling start meaning you need a car that's far quicker over a lap as opposed to just being 'competitive' if you want to get near the front.

Just done this one also, seemed pointless this race with the way the LMP1 grips and picks up speed.

I have always hated the rolling starts, why cannot PD just limit the PP per race or set it so you can use same class only.