World of Tanks (Vol 2)
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Beati Dogu said:
It's not what I'd call an upgrade. The VK is better in its tier than the Panther.
Anyone tried this new "Rampage" game mode?
It sounds s
t & looking at the Jingles video on it, I can't see anyone playing it at all now.
Yes, I don't expect great things from the Panther, and even less from the Panther II - not looking forward to the grinds. I currently have about 35,000 free XP saved and I should be up to about 60,000 free XP by the time I unlock the E50, which should see me able to skip the first few packages, I'm sure I recall the E50 being described as particularly painful to play when stock. It looks like a good portion of the E50 grind is done with the 75mm L/100, which looks like a solid support gun for tier 7, becoming unremarkable at tier 8 and probably quite annoying to use at tier 9 - shooting at E-75s when you've got 135 alpha doesn't sound like fun. You have to love the pain or you wouldn't play WOT!Anyone tried this new "Rampage" game mode?
It sounds s
t & looking at the Jingles video on it, I can't see anyone playing it at all now.I didn't realise until last night that the Object 416 can't fully traverse it's turret either, so now I know a weakness in them although admittedly their track traverse is impressive so circling one isn't really viable. I also didn't know their turret was so weak - I thought it would be a bounce machine like the T-54 turret. I'd been trying for shots into the front plates, or trying to triple overmatch the engine deck, but it turns out the turret cheeks are just 120-130mm either side of the gun. I know it's got a great gun, but I won't worry so much next time I see one, although they are one of the rarer tanks to see on the field.
Most tier 9 grinds are bad & the E-50 is among of the worst. I used free XP for the top turret. I was lucky in that I had the top engine already unlocked for some reason (something to do with the German engine revamp Wargaming did), although they did take away the 1,200 hp engine it used to have (the E50M gets that).
You could use the L/100 gun, but the alpha damage is woeful, so I used the L/71 gun from the Tiger 1. It actually has a slower rate of fire than on the Tiger, which is painful at tier 9. There is a middle gun you can go for, but I partially ground out the top gun and used free XP for the rest.
I gave up the rear turreted Soviet medium line at tier 7, as it was atrocious. Not so much the tank, which is poor, but the idiot team matchmaking I was getting.
You could use the L/100 gun, but the alpha damage is woeful, so I used the L/71 gun from the Tiger 1. It actually has a slower rate of fire than on the Tiger, which is painful at tier 9. There is a middle gun you can go for, but I partially ground out the top gun and used free XP for the rest.
I gave up the rear turreted Soviet medium line at tier 7, as it was atrocious. Not so much the tank, which is poor, but the idiot team matchmaking I was getting.
You're not a red noob.
http://wiki.wnefficiency.net/pages/Color_Scale
It's the 45%-ers with double digit Win 8 that like to sit "having fun" in base with their top tier heavies.
http://wiki.wnefficiency.net/pages/Color_Scale
It's the 45%-ers with double digit Win 8 that like to sit "having fun" in base with their top tier heavies.
After playing a couple of low tier arty they are the worst for stats ever. The yank one I cant hit anything and it has four hour reload times. The birch I can hit stuff, randomly, even kill low level unimportant stuff, but anything that really needs killing just seems to ignore me. Feel I have absolutely no impact on the game at all.
RobDickinson said:
After playing a couple of low tier arty they are the worst for stats ever. The yank one I cant hit anything and it has four hour reload times. The birch I can hit stuff, randomly, even kill low level unimportant stuff, but anything that really needs killing just seems to ignore me. Feel I have absolutely no impact on the game at all.
I found the Birch to be very strong at influencing games, the combo of fast reload, accuracy and the fully rotating gun meant I could snap from target to target very quickly. Even the big armour tanks like a KV-1, they can be permatracked quite often, or just can just blow their guns out, kill their crew etc, taking off 80hp or so a shot. Never stop chipping away. There is some real rot to come in the British tree if you follow it to the end. The Bishop for example, can be very effective in the right place on the map, but it can't get around quickly and has short gun range, so struggles to influences matches like the "hand of god" Birch gun can.I do have more 'luck' in the birch. have to check the crew out cant remember what i put in, no equipment on it either. But knocking the odd 50-100 hp off seems stupid in comparison to actually shooting things with a real gun.
I'm an arty newb tho so probably not doing it right. half the time things just disappear or are killed outright before I can aim.
I'm an arty newb tho so probably not doing it right. half the time things just disappear or are killed outright before I can aim.
On a similarly arty related note, I've just elited the last of the T8 arties; the GW Tiger(P). Glad that's done, far too ponderous for my liking.
Taking a break from arty for a little while; I've 16 other T8's to buy and work on.
Probably going to go for the Indien Pz next. Only one that looks appealing right now.
Taking a break from arty for a little while; I've 16 other T8's to buy and work on.
Probably going to go for the Indien Pz next. Only one that looks appealing right now.
I don't think most of them are bots, invalids, small children or on potato computers; They're just idiots. I swear most of them have pressed V at some point and play with no battle interface at all. They've certainly got the map off and never seem to respond to helpful prompts in chat.
In one game last night I switched to watching from the perspective of our tomato M103, who was sat on the peninsula where arty normally lurks on the Fjords map. There was a battle going on in the little town right in front. His turret was swinging slowly left and right as he watched, but he didn't fire at a couple of enemy tanks that were clearly (to me anyway) there. When he did fire, he team killed a JP E100 that was about to fall sideways into the water anyway. I actually laughed at that one. We won the game anyway fortunately.
I think they click Battle and are so overawed by what's going on they don't realise they're supposed to actually participate. It's like they're watching a war movie or something.
When I wrote my earlier missive I had an 18% win rate after about 20 games. Game after game of being bottom tier in teams full of incompetent 45% 'players'. By the end of the night, by some miracle, I finished on exactly 50%.
In one game last night I switched to watching from the perspective of our tomato M103, who was sat on the peninsula where arty normally lurks on the Fjords map. There was a battle going on in the little town right in front. His turret was swinging slowly left and right as he watched, but he didn't fire at a couple of enemy tanks that were clearly (to me anyway) there. When he did fire, he team killed a JP E100 that was about to fall sideways into the water anyway. I actually laughed at that one. We won the game anyway fortunately.
I think they click Battle and are so overawed by what's going on they don't realise they're supposed to actually participate. It's like they're watching a war movie or something.
When I wrote my earlier missive I had an 18% win rate after about 20 games. Game after game of being bottom tier in teams full of incompetent 45% 'players'. By the end of the night, by some miracle, I finished on exactly 50%.
Yes, well you have my sympathy.
All you can do is try your best in spite of the 'bots'. It does amaze me how anyone can have a win rate in the high fifties percent.
I have games where I play badly, but a lot more games where the teams crumble catastrophically and it's something like 14-2 so I have no chance of winning.
I'm going to have a few more games in my O-I tonight. I came up against one in my IS2 and couldn't penetrate it frontally on the lower glacis.
They are certainly OP for a tier 6 tank. Maybe the VK4502B of tier 6?
All you can do is try your best in spite of the 'bots'. It does amaze me how anyone can have a win rate in the high fifties percent.
I have games where I play badly, but a lot more games where the teams crumble catastrophically and it's something like 14-2 so I have no chance of winning.
I'm going to have a few more games in my O-I tonight. I came up against one in my IS2 and couldn't penetrate it frontally on the lower glacis.
They are certainly OP for a tier 6 tank. Maybe the VK4502B of tier 6?
BigMon said:
Yes, well you have my sympathy.
All you can do is try your best in spite of the 'bots'. It does amaze me how anyone can have a win rate in the high fifties percent.
I have games where I play badly, but a lot more games where the teams crumble catastrophically and it's something like 14-2 so I have no chance of winning.
I'm going to have a few more games in my O-I tonight. I came up against one in my IS2 and couldn't penetrate it frontally on the lower glacis.
They are certainly OP for a tier 6 tank. Maybe the VK4502B of tier 6?
From watching QB's twitch now and then it seems that the lower plate of the O-I is not a weakspot.All you can do is try your best in spite of the 'bots'. It does amaze me how anyone can have a win rate in the high fifties percent.
I have games where I play badly, but a lot more games where the teams crumble catastrophically and it's something like 14-2 so I have no chance of winning.
I'm going to have a few more games in my O-I tonight. I came up against one in my IS2 and couldn't penetrate it frontally on the lower glacis.
They are certainly OP for a tier 6 tank. Maybe the VK4502B of tier 6?
In fact that beast has 150mm of armour all around. Upper plate, lower plate, the various turrets, the rear...all 150mm.
The weak spots are apparently just above the front of the tracks where the armour is 40mm and HE splash can hurt it. Also the side armour above the tracks is flat and 70mm. Avoid the armour that covers the side of the tracks however as it counts as double spaced armour.
I haven't tested this myself yet on account of not having played much lately and therefore not encountering them so far.
Well that's the thing, the difference between a bad player and a really good one is only a 15% win rate. Even a good player will lose 40% of their games, because they can't fight off a bum rush when their team collapses.
The turrets on the O-I are all 150 mm thick, but they're hexagonal. Make sure you fire when a flat side it towards you and you should be able to penetrate even with your regular 175 mm pen AP. I did that to one last night with my IS.
If it's head on, the armour plate behind the front machine gun turrets is 155 mm thick effectively. Aim either side of the turrets or in between them.
You could also aim at the flat part of the main turret either side of the gun, which is 165 mm. I wouldn't do that with regular AP though, in case you low roll. Never aim for the upper or lower glacis on these things. Much better to track him for your team and let him maybe burn a repair kit too.
The IS-2 get 250 mm pen HEAT rounds as premium, so they should go through those weak spots no problem.
The turrets on the O-I are all 150 mm thick, but they're hexagonal. Make sure you fire when a flat side it towards you and you should be able to penetrate even with your regular 175 mm pen AP. I did that to one last night with my IS.
If it's head on, the armour plate behind the front machine gun turrets is 155 mm thick effectively. Aim either side of the turrets or in between them.
You could also aim at the flat part of the main turret either side of the gun, which is 165 mm. I wouldn't do that with regular AP though, in case you low roll. Never aim for the upper or lower glacis on these things. Much better to track him for your team and let him maybe burn a repair kit too.
The IS-2 get 250 mm pen HEAT rounds as premium, so they should go through those weak spots no problem.
Beati Dogu said:
Well that's the thing, the difference between a bad player and a really good one is only a 15% win rate. Even a good player will lose 40% of their games, because they can't fight off a bum rush when their team collapses.
This. Basically it means 15 more times out of 100 battles the high WR player has been able to make a match winning contribution - that's not a huge difference. The trick is making the contribution early enough in the game to avoid the 'last man standing' syndrome. To a certain extent a lot of battle in WOT are won by numbers - the sooner you get a numerical tank advantage in a game the easier it is to roll over the enemy - and also why some of the early rushers also have such low win rates. Not only do they not contribute much damage, they also give the enemy a numerical advantage from the get go which means their allies get double teamed - a platoon of them and it's goodnight.It's the same principle that can sometimes explain a high WN8 for a player with a relatively low win rate - they leave things too late in the game and whilst they may do good damage, it's often irrelevant as the game is already lost.
With the O-I then also I would just add there is never any problem with running away - they are slow. Can't deal with them frontally? If you can't safely get their side then relocate, find buddies to help and overwhelm them - they only have one gun.
ash73 said:
I'm at 45.5% and I think my teammates would like me to use the W key rather less 
Perhaps the good players could be a bit more patient, we've all got to start somewhere. I've turned chat off completely because I'm so fed up of people shouting abuse, you are not helping yourselves. And omg stop matching me against tanks 3 tiers higher, no matter what tank I am using!
Anyhow got my T-34 now trying to kit it out
Never really understood why people get so abusive - I mean I know the game is frustrating (understatement of the year), but some people really seem to have issues. It's never fair to complain at newbies either, like you say you have to learn somehow. For example the only tanks that get +3 tier mm are some light tanks that are classed as scouts, they get special treatment. Most tanks only get -2/+2 tier, like your new T-34, which is at least a little better Perhaps the good players could be a bit more patient, we've all got to start somewhere. I've turned chat off completely because I'm so fed up of people shouting abuse, you are not helping yourselves. And omg stop matching me against tanks 3 tiers higher, no matter what tank I am using!
Anyhow got my T-34 now trying to kit it out
Wouldn't worry too much about win rates just yet - pretty meaningless until around 2k games due to the learning curve and even then it's only really worth looking at recents.
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