GTR Race League starting Monday 30th May
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I used the aids when I firsty started (Low TC) because I read and I think posted on here too about an interview with FIA GT racer and Simbin chief Henrick Roos who said, because you don't get the feel of what the car is doing through the seat or pedals like a real GT car you may need to turn the traction control on help you. I did for the first few weeks, then as I got used to it I turned it off. I'm doing quicker times now than then, but I still make mistakes on the throttle out of corners. Like I did on lap 2 at Monza.
I have everything off now and I'm quicker than I was with the help on.
I have everything off now and I'm quicker than I was with the help on.
I only have low settings anyway Simon, and I / others have alot more fun with them on, which is the idea really, if fwd is going qucker with them off then i dont see a problem, I did try a few races this week with aids off and could'nt get on with it, i guess i'm not as good as some 
Got on fine with GPL with no aids, but I think GPL was easier on the limit than GTR due to their lesser weight and more throttle adjustment.
looking forward to monday ....
!!! 9PM SHARP !!!! it is then (sry)
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>> Edited by pvapour on Friday 3rd June 10:53
Got on fine with GPL with no aids, but I think GPL was easier on the limit than GTR due to their lesser weight and more throttle adjustment.
looking forward to monday ....
!!! 9PM SHARP !!!! it is then
(sry) BB - check ur rear right qtr panel for filler and check under drivers carpet for blood stains
>> Edited by pvapour on Friday 3rd June 10:53
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But the point i was trying to make was that over a 1hr race distance, its the people without "Aids" on which are punished.
Let me explain, i know that when i drive without aids i can be a tad hard on the tires, especialy with the odd lock-up and rear wheel spin getting on the power to early or sliding the back out abit when powering the car round a longer corner.
Whereas if you have TC and ABS on then you tend to get less of both of these, and so not only are you gaining and advantage (to some) by having "aids" on, you are also gaining an advantage with tire wear, which in GTR is a huge thing with its "real-time track thingy".
Thats just my opinion, because i certainly know that without Aids i cannot set the same lap petrol vapour was setting with Aids on. Is that fair? i dont think so
I feel that if you can set such a fast lap with "aids" on, that you can atleast make more of an effort to turn them off, and make this a level playing surface.
I personaly wont be using "aids" afterall, this is a "simulation" game
But the point i was trying to make was that over a 1hr race distance, its the people without "Aids" on which are punished.
Let me explain, i know that when i drive without aids i can be a tad hard on the tires, especialy with the odd lock-up and rear wheel spin getting on the power to early or sliding the back out abit when powering the car round a longer corner.
Whereas if you have TC and ABS on then you tend to get less of both of these, and so not only are you gaining and advantage (to some) by having "aids" on, you are also gaining an advantage with tire wear, which in GTR is a huge thing with its "real-time track thingy".
Thats just my opinion, because i certainly know that without Aids i cannot set the same lap petrol vapour was setting with Aids on. Is that fair? i dont think so
I feel that if you can set such a fast lap with "aids" on, that you can atleast make more of an effort to turn them off, and make this a level playing surface.
I personaly wont be using "aids" afterall, this is a "simulation" game
That's one of the reasons why there are 2 mandatory pitstops for the GT cars in a 1 hour race, anyone can do 20mins on a set of hard tyres without wearing them out, you might even manage it on mediums. You'll only wear them out if you spin off and heat them up or brake too late and lock up.
Although I did a 1m44 in qualifying, I only did a 1m47 in the race, I think I did lots of consecutive 1m27's by keeping a solid pace, not spinning, not locking tyres that's key to preserving tyres throughout the race.
I crashed early and decided to double the fuel load on my first stop to try and not be lapped/loose too much time early on and then only put in shorter load of fuel and softer tyres on the final stop expecting to go fast at the end to catch up (but not needed as almost all of you had dropped out). I managed it though, I didn't get any tyre warnings at all although I could feel a lack of grip at the end of the run I was still able to lap fast enough.
PS I think traction control is allowed in this years FIA GT series. It's also legal in the ALMS series.
Although I did a 1m44 in qualifying, I only did a 1m47 in the race, I think I did lots of consecutive 1m27's by keeping a solid pace, not spinning, not locking tyres that's key to preserving tyres throughout the race.
I crashed early and decided to double the fuel load on my first stop to try and not be lapped/loose too much time early on and then only put in shorter load of fuel and softer tyres on the final stop expecting to go fast at the end to catch up (but not needed as almost all of you had dropped out). I managed it though, I didn't get any tyre warnings at all although I could feel a lack of grip at the end of the run I was still able to lap fast enough.
PS I think traction control is allowed in this years FIA GT series. It's also legal in the ALMS series.
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Then called France and spoke to a guy called Benjamin......? who is an official FIA rep.
TC has been used since 2004
so in the name of 'Realism' I think we should ALL use TC but in all fairness there is no ABS (which I am happy to stop using if everyone takes a vote to the effect)
Glad to here someone with some strong views though Simon
incidently FWD, have you done some laps with the penaltys added? any ideas on secounds lost? what are we using for weight penalty, our dog weighs about 20kg so i can just bung him in the back, i'm sure he'll enjoy it the ride think you might need a St Bernard or a shetland pony though 
ps - the guy in france had to record our conversation
and take my name and number! quite funny when i told him it was about GTR the PC game 
>> Edited by pvapour on Friday 3rd June 12:20
Then called France and spoke to a guy called Benjamin......? who is an official FIA rep.
TC has been used since 2004
so in the name of 'Realism' I think we should ALL use TC
but in all fairness there is no ABS (which I am happy to stop using if everyone takes a vote to the effect) Glad to here someone with some strong views though Simon
incidently FWD, have you done some laps with the penaltys added? any ideas on secounds lost? what are we using for weight penalty, our dog weighs about 20kg so i can just bung him in the back, i'm sure he'll enjoy it the ride
think you might need a St Bernard or a shetland pony though ps - the guy in france had to record our conversation
and take my name and number! quite funny when i told him it was about GTR the PC game >> Edited by pvapour on Friday 3rd June 12:20
pvapour said:
incidently FWD, have you done some laps with the penaltys added? any ideas on secounds lost? what are we using for weight penalty, our dog weighs about 20kg so i can just bung him in the back, i'm sure he'll enjoy it the ride
I haven't yet, I'd have to do it as an online game test and add the weight, although as I mentioned above I ran with a lot of fuel for about 40mins at Monza which is probably more than the 60kg I'll have at Estoril and it was ok, so the same weight over half the race time should be ok for tyres and things just a bit slower on acceleration and probably slightly longer braking distances. I'll give it a go at the weekend for real though.
docevi1 said:
conversly, if you took all aids away, you'd alienate me completely - there is pretty much no way I can get the sodding car not to lock it's wheels no matter what I try (even on 80% pressure the wheels will lock).
Might be too much front brake bias although it's could also be your pedals, are they quite light to push down? Many people with GPL, GTR and other games put half a squash ball under the pedals for better feel, depending on the pedals they use.
D_Mike said:
You don't have to use aids just because other people do... I don't think AJ uses them at all, which is very cool as prefers to do all the driving himself.
i dont use them and never have either. i dont think i would be any quicker or crash less with them on anyway, as the majority of my crashes are from outbraking myself/major tyre wear(which i guess you argue would be less with tc on...
):cough: no one else tried the 2005 car mod yet and those Maserati's?
If everyone has the mod installed you can even race on in the league. If you have seen any of the FIA GT races this year they won't be donimant since they have bigger restrictors and smaller wings so no advantage to anyone, just a different car to use.
If everyone has the mod installed you can even race on in the league. If you have seen any of the FIA GT races this year they won't be donimant since they have bigger restrictors and smaller wings so no advantage to anyone, just a different car to use.
HarryW said:I only use low anyway. Find high removes too much from the car. I drive without TC mind as I found that was the cause of me not been able to control slides.
Can we all atleast limit ourselves to the "low" aids only then? thats a fair compermise i think!
I use the Logitech Momo Racing pedals, they are ok pressure wise, just can't seem to get it right.
Slight re-think on the weight penalties (as I've just tried it out for the first time )
You can only add a maximum of 100kg in weight so I propose this structure.
1st - 50kg
2nd - 35kg
3rd - 20kg
With further weight added if you finish in the top 3 again up to the maximum of 100kg. If you finish outside the top 3 your weight is halved no matter what weight you have on board for the next race.
Does that sound Ok?
) You can only add a maximum of 100kg in weight so I propose this structure.
1st - 50kg
2nd - 35kg
3rd - 20kg
With further weight added if you finish in the top 3 again up to the maximum of 100kg. If you finish outside the top 3 your weight is halved no matter what weight you have on board for the next race.
Does that sound Ok?
Sounds good, should be able to make it Monday.
Missed the first race due to a broken engine mount (in real life!), didn't get in until 9pm
Still haven't really chosen a car yet, although it looks like a choice between the F550 or the Murcielago.
Why is it that the F575 is slower than the F550? Despite the road car having more power, the GTR version seems to have less than it's older brother.
Missed the first race due to a broken engine mount (in real life!), didn't get in until 9pm
Still haven't really chosen a car yet, although it looks like a choice between the F550 or the Murcielago.
Why is it that the F575 is slower than the F550? Despite the road car having more power, the GTR version seems to have less than it's older brother.
D_Mike said:
on a gtr related note, I am trying to register with Racemore so that I can do a race online tonight... but I can't register my game... it times out every time (the bit where you enter your online key thingy). Any ideas?
Might be your email address, it doesn't like captial letters. Other than that it might be undergoing maintenance.
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