POSITIVE upbeat PC GAMERS! ;-)

POSITIVE upbeat PC GAMERS! ;-)

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Steven_RW

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Wednesday 14th April 2021
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anarki said:
Nice - I don't have anything of that vintage smile



I've dug out what I could find, I'm pretty sure I have a couple more boxed away somewhere though. I know I've got a geforce 256!

From top left to bottom right:

Voodoo Banshee 16MB
Diamond Viper V770 (Riva TNT2) 32MB
Canopus 5400 PE (Riva TNT2 Ultra) 32MB
Geforce 2 Pro 64MB (maybe 32MB I can't remember)
Canopus Spectra X20 (Geforce 3 with a 263MHz core and 460MHz Mem)
3d Prophet III Titanium 200 (Geforce 3 Ti200)
Geforce 4 Ti4200 64MB
3d Prophet 4500 64MB (Kyro II)
Tyan Tachyon G9600 (ATi Radeon 9600 Pro 128MB)

All of them work flawlessly.
Great collection you have there. Like all the advancing tech, I imagine dragging out some massive modern gpu with a 3 slot thick air cooler and showing that to the proud owner of the latest Geforce 2 pro back in the day. Can you imagine the look you would get? :-) Crazy how things move on.

So do you have an older pc up and running that can take these cards?

Steven_RW

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Wednesday 14th April 2021
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superstreek said:
Fun thread, and certainly brings back memories of 386s and null modem cables for a death match, not to mention 3DFX cards, soundblasters and questionable approaches to cooling for that extra few Hz.

I switched to purely console probably around the PS3 era so I guess 2006/7 then weirdly switched to Xbox a while ago which led to gaming laptop to take advantage of Gamepass and now spend most of my gaming time on PC again.

Was thinking of doing a build but as getting a graphics card here is crazy a custom pre build is on the cards, seems excessive for a few hours FPS or driving a week (Xbox X, Laptop & desktop) but it is slippery slope.

Davie
:-) Yeah the serial cable that you connected two pcs directly with had to be wired differently so that it worked. A regular serial cable for some peripheral didn't work. I can still remember typing sersetup.

Excuse me for flooding the thread but i looked up the old commands to run a sersetup.exe modem or null modem game. The lads in the moany pc games are too much effort thread would have a fit at all this...

MODEM PLAY


When you want to play a modem or null-modem game, you need to
run SERSETUP.EXE which is the device driver for DOOM's serial
communications mode. The parameters are as follows:

-DIAL tells the program which number to dial, if you're going
to do the calling.
-dial

-ANSWER puts your modem into Answer mode so someone can call
you and play DOOM.
-answer

-COM1, -COM2, -COM3, -COM4 specifies which COM port your modem
or serial cable is connected to. Very important!
-com1

-8250 tells SERSETUP to set the UART to 8250. Just in case your
16550 UART is acting up at the higher speed.
-8250

-IRQ sets the IRQ for the COM port.
-irq

-PORT sets the COM I/O port that SERSETUP uses to communicate
with your modem. To use hexadecimal, such as the number 0x3f8, you
would type "-port 0x3f8".
-port

-<#> sets the baud rate of your COM port, overriding the value in
the MODEM.CFG if you're running a modem game. Legal values are
9600, 14400, 38400, 57600.
Example: -14400

Note that to run a null-modem game, you must have a null-modem
cable plugged into a serial port on both computers and each
computer runs SERSETUP.EXE with a -COM# parameter as well as
any General Parameters. Do not use the -ANSWER or -DIAL
parameters, or SERSETUP will think you're using a modem. To get
a null-modem cable, go to CompUSA or Radio Shack and say,"I need
a null-modem cable to run a DOOM multiplayer game."

VERY IMPORTANT!
You will need to run the SETUP program and select Choose Modem
from the Network/Modem/Serial menu so you can set your modem
init string correctly. Merely select the modem and press Enter
and SETUP will create a new MODEM.CFG file that corresponds to
your modem (the MODEM.CFG file is used by SERSETUP for initing
the modem.)

If your modem is not in the list, you will most likely need to
edit the MODEM.CFG file in the DOOM directory. The first line
of the file is an initialization string that:
* Turns off error-correction
* Turns off data-compression
The MODEM.CFG file has a Hayes-standard init string like this:
AT Z S=46 &Q0 &D0
You just add your own commands after the "AT Z " if your modem
doesn't work with these settings -- dig up your modem manual for
the correct settings.

The second line is a hangup string used when you quit DOOM.

The third line is the baud rate at which you want your COM port set.
The legal settings are: 9600, 14400, 38400, 57600.

If the modem connection isn't working when you call your friend,
have him call you instead. Try setting the modem to GENERIC (in the
SETUP.EXE program) if your modems don't connect.

If you STILL can't get the modems to connect, both of you should
run your favorite COMM programs and connect with 9600, no error
correction and no data compression. Then quit the COMM program
and keep the connection going. Then just run SERSETUP with a -COM#
parameter (as if you were running a null-modem game) since you're
already connected.

If you had trouble connecting, but figured out some settings that
work, please fax them to us at (214) 686-9288 so we can expand our
modem init string database and perhaps have the SETUP program ask
you for your modem type in a future version of DOOM.

defblade

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214 months

Wednesday 14th April 2021
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The first time I drove my computer to a mate's house...

It was probably Doom, but might have been Doom2???
Anyway, we got them talking to each other by about 8 or 9 pm, then went out to grab some food.
There were 3 of us, so we played first-to-10-kills,winner-stays-on.
1am we agreed this was fun.
3am we agreed we weren't going to bed.
8 or 9am, we went out for food again...


One of those lads ended up lodging with me for a while, we had our PCs permanently connected with a cable up the stairs, we used to mainly play Rise of the Triads, which was slightly mental/twisted (eg, as power ups: God Mode... and Dog Mode!). It had lots of multiplayer settings: we played 100HP/player, missile weapons do 99 damage and you can only carry one of them... so you always had to go in and finish the other player off properly smile

anarki

765 posts

137 months

Wednesday 14th April 2021
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Steven_RW said:
Great collection you have there. Like all the advancing tech, I imagine dragging out some massive modern gpu with a 3 slot thick air cooler and showing that to the proud owner of the latest Geforce 2 pro back in the day. Can you imagine the look you would get? :-) Crazy how things move on.

So do you have an older pc up and running that can take these cards?
Haha yes it's crazy how small the old cards are compared to today. Also how much power the new cards consume!

I have my dual slot 1 motherboard with either dual celeron 300A's or dual pentium 3 866's (or I can run single CPU as the board doesn't require slot terminators)

An athlon xp 2800 setup with 2GB DDR 400

An Intel Pentium 4 2.6 (Northwood) setup with 2GB DDR 400

An athlon X2 3800 setup with 2GB DDR2 800 (maybe 4GB I can't remember)

I also have a couple of period sound cards - a sound blaster live and another really good budget one who's model escapes me.

All motherboards are AGP compatible. I don't have a specific case for them - I run them on an open bench case so I can easily swap components around.

In all honesty it's not cost me much money to accumulate the old parts as I've been collecting for a while before the prices got out of hand.

I've got a few more modern setups too - the famous i7 2600k/z68 combo, a haswell Xeon setup (my son's pc) a Ryzen 3rd gen setup and an i7 9700k setup (my main pc)

Nearly all of it is boxed up currently, my plan is to start doing some YouTube videos around the topic of retro computing, but I'm currently waiting to complete on my new house, so things are on hold at the moment before I properly commit to making content.

I've built, sold and tinkered with bloody loads of builds over the years and as I've mentioned my biggest regret is selling my creative voodoo2 for next to nothing two decades ago. (I was a teenager that needed beer money!)

As I mentioned in the console thread, I've got a metric ton of consoles/games too.

Before anybody wonders - yes I do get out the house! I love cars as much as I love electronics! (I just can't afford them) I do socialize and am not a recluse tongue out

anarki

765 posts

137 months

Wednesday 14th April 2021
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With reference two the two posts above mine - hell yes I remember playing multiplayer via serial cable, me and a school friend used to doom via serial cable too!

The serial cable shenanigans didn't end there though - we both had playstations and every weekend for about 6 months in 1999 we would go to each others houses and play command and conquer red alert retaliation via two PS1's hooked up via serial cable.

We would play against two AI and amass an absolutely god tier army, and once every bit of ore was depleted, send in a st ton of M.A.D tanks to the enemies base and detonate. The poor game used to grind to a halt laugh

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 14th April 2021
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I’m still enjoying PC gaming currently. Built my first one about half my lifetime ago now. Staying well out of the current graphics card shortage shenanigans, and just get on with playing with what I have - 7700k and vega 56. I just play Assetto Corsa Competizione on my sim rig. Ultra 60fps at 1440p so I can’t complain!

vonuber

17,868 posts

166 months

Wednesday 14th April 2021
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I just rememebred melting 3 AMD X850 cards trying to run F.E.A.R.
Stuck with nvidia ever since.

BrettMRC

4,176 posts

161 months

Thursday 15th April 2021
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I remember the heat haze coming off my Apocalypse 5D card! hehe

Steven_RW

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Thursday 15th April 2021
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BrettMRC said:
I remember the heat haze coming off my Apocalypse 5D card! hehe
Classic :-)

I remember my counter strike source pc (core 2 duo e6600 iirc) behaving strangely and opening it up to find my Arctic Freezer 7 cpu cooler completely filled solid with dust hehe.

Good clean out and she was back at full power again. No dust filters on those old pcs.

Jinx

11,407 posts

261 months

Thursday 15th April 2021
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Steven_RW said:
Classic :-)

I remember my counter strike source pc (core 2 duo e6600 iirc) behaving strangely and opening it up to find my Arctic Freezer 7 cpu cooler completely filled solid with dust hehe.

Good clean out and she was back at full power again. No dust filters on those old pcs.
Reminds me of when I went round a friend's house to see what was wrong with his (Pentium 4) PC (Freelancer was the online game of choice). The nVidia GPU (something like a 5200 AGP IIRC) was a solid mass of sticky smoke infused dust with half a dozen obviously blown capacitors - how the thing even managed to boot into XP was a wonder to behold. After we replaced the card and gave the machine a good clean I reminded him that you need to clean out your PC regularly especially with a smoker in the house.....

Squirrelofwoe

3,184 posts

177 months

Thursday 15th April 2021
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Still having a lot of fun PC gaming here too.

Bought my first PC in 1998ish specifically to play C&C Tiberian Sun and Quake 2. Had previously used my parent's old PC to play Dune 2 and Red Alert.

Had my first proper 'gaming' PC build in 2005 (for Half Life 2) and have steadily upgraded / replaced it since then. Almost always been AMD just due to cost.

I'm still lingering on with an AMD FX-8350 processor that went in back in 2015, but last April I did relent and upgrade my 280x gfx card to a new 5700xt. This was the first time I'd done any hardware upgrades myself, and whilst I was on a roll I replaced my ancient 8gb RAM with modern 16gb and did a clean Windows 10 install. For someone who isn't particularly tech-savvy, firing this back up and seeing it all work was a pretty big moment!

No pictures of the system though- it's still using the same case etc from 2009 and it'd make people cry biggrin

I've been intending to replace the FX-8350 for ages now, but I'm at the point where to do so means I need a new motherboard, power supply, and ideally a new case too- so the costs are not insignificant. Plus with the new 5700xt card I'm not finding the ancient CPU holding me back that much- I went to a 1440p IPS monitor and I can still get 60fps at 1440p comfortably in most games- I'm guessing because they use the video card more than the CPU?

Biggest time sink games for me over the years have been Skyrim / Fallout series, Supreme Commander FA, Command & Conquer series, Deus Ex series, Ghost Recon, Anno 1800, and all the Battlefield games. Also recently enjoyed the Halo Masterchief collection.

Couple of lesser talked about games I've also racked up a lot of hours on are Defense Grid - The Awakening, and Endless Space.

Oh and many many hours on the Football Manager series, or 'Spreadsheet simulator' as my wife calls it.

BrettMRC

4,176 posts

161 months

Thursday 15th April 2021
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Squirrelofwoe said:
Couple of lesser talked about games I've also racked up a lot of hours on are Defense Grid - The Awakening, and Endless Space.
Defence grid! What a game! cloud9

Runs on practically anything and is a great way to pass the time smile

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 15th April 2021
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Squirrelofwoe said:
Still having a lot of fun PC gaming here too.

Bought my first PC in 1998ish specifically to play C&C Tiberian Sun and Quake 2. Had previously used my parent's old PC to play Dune 2 and Red Alert.

Had my first proper 'gaming' PC build in 2005 (for Half Life 2) and have steadily upgraded / replaced it since then. Almost always been AMD just due to cost.

I'm still lingering on with an AMD FX-8350 processor that went in back in 2015, but last April I did relent and upgrade my 280x gfx card to a new 5700xt. This was the first time I'd done any hardware upgrades myself, and whilst I was on a roll I replaced my ancient 8gb RAM with modern 16gb and did a clean Windows 10 install. For someone who isn't particularly tech-savvy, firing this back up and seeing it all work was a pretty big moment!

No pictures of the system though- it's still using the same case etc from 2009 and it'd make people cry biggrin

I've been intending to replace the FX-8350 for ages now, but I'm at the point where to do so means I need a new motherboard, power supply, and ideally a new case too- so the costs are not insignificant. Plus with the new 5700xt card I'm not finding the ancient CPU holding me back that much- I went to a 1440p IPS monitor and I can still get 60fps at 1440p comfortably in most games- I'm guessing because they use the video card more than the CPU?

Biggest time sink games for me over the years have been Skyrim / Fallout series, Supreme Commander FA, Command & Conquer series, Deus Ex series, Ghost Recon, Anno 1800, and all the Battlefield games. Also recently enjoyed the Halo Masterchief collection.

Couple of lesser talked about games I've also racked up a lot of hours on are Defense Grid - The Awakening, and Endless Space.

Oh and many many hours on the Football Manager series, or 'Spreadsheet simulator' as my wife calls it.
Great summary of your PC history. I’m a few years behind you, but did get my first PC for HL2 as well, but also for C&C Zero Hour and Battlefield 2.

Your current CPU is probably holding back the ultimate potential of the 5700XT if you were gaming at 120fps or more; but if it’s working for you now then there’s no issue. If you were to upgrade anything later it should be the CPU first though. I bet if the frame times were analysed there would be some stuttering caused by the old FX. There are so many variables though!

Squirrelofwoe

3,184 posts

177 months

Thursday 15th April 2021
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F20CN16 said:
Great summary of your PC history. I’m a few years behind you, but did get my first PC for HL2 as well, but also for C&C Zero Hour and Battlefield 2.

Your current CPU is probably holding back the ultimate potential of the 5700XT if you were gaming at 120fps or more; but if it’s working for you now then there’s no issue. If you were to upgrade anything later it should be the CPU first though. I bet if the frame times were analysed there would be some stuttering caused by the old FX. There are so many variables though!
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I've also spent a lot of time on Zero Hour, although it never hooked me quite as much as Tib Sun and C&C 3 did.

I did run some 3D Benchmark tests after fitting the new card, and then compared those scores to users running the same card but with a more modern CPU and there was definitely a sizeable difference- but then I started gaming with it expecting to see only a marginal improvement over my old card and found it was like a new machine. I suspect some of it was also due to the fresh Windows 10 install too (re-formatting my old SSD).

BF1 went from 60-70fps at 1080p to 80-90fps at 1440p. Which blew my mind, and probably contributed to my subsequent delay in upgrading the CPU hehe

If was just £200-£300 quid to upgrade the CPU I would do it today, but once I've added the new motherboard, power supply, cooler, and case, I'm looking at £600-£700 which is the sort of sum that for some reason I have a complete mental block about spending- if it doesn't attach to a TVR specialist invoice...

Edited to add: my 1440p IPS monitor does support Freesync and 120hz so based on what you said there is definite potential for increased FPS if I could loosen the wallet strings!

Edited by Squirrelofwoe on Thursday 15th April 12:16

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 15th April 2021
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Squirrelofwoe said:
If was just £200-£300 quid to upgrade the CPU I would do it today, but once I've added the new motherboard, power supply, cooler, and case, I'm looking at £600-£700 which is the sort of sum that for some reason I have a complete mental block about spending- if it doesn't attach to a TVR specialist invoice...
Snap! I am about to spend £750 on removing surface rust and then a repaint on the front wings of my S2000 - no qualms about that. But I will not spend that on my PC or sim rig without serious man maths hehe

Squirrelofwoe

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177 months

Thursday 15th April 2021
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F20CN16 said:
Snap! I am about to spend £750 on removing surface rust and then a repaint on the front wings of my S2000 - no qualms about that. But I will not spend that on my PC or sim rig without serious man maths hehe
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That sounds a bargain to be honest!

I recently paid £2k for a service on the Tuscan, and I'm about to put the Chimaera up for sale- from which I'm planning on earmarking some funds for the PC upgrade- it's the only way I'll justify it rotate

anarki

765 posts

137 months

Thursday 15th April 2021
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Squirrelofwoe said:
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I've also spent a lot of time on Zero Hour, although it never hooked me quite as much as Tib Sun and C&C 3 did.

I did run some 3D Benchmark tests after fitting the new card, and then compared those scores to users running the same card but with a more modern CPU and there was definitely a sizeable difference- but then I started gaming with it expecting to see only a marginal improvement over my old card and found it was like a new machine. I suspect some of it was also due to the fresh Windows 10 install too (re-formatting my old SSD).

BF1 went from 60-70fps at 1080p to 80-90fps at 1440p. Which blew my mind, and probably contributed to my subsequent delay in upgrading the CPU hehe

If was just £200-£300 quid to upgrade the CPU I would do it today, but once I've added the new motherboard, power supply, cooler, and case, I'm looking at £600-£700 which is the sort of sum that for some reason I have a complete mental block about spending- if it doesn't attach to a TVR specialist invoice...

Edited to add: my 1440p IPS monitor does support Freesync and 120hz so based on what you said there is definite potential for increased FPS if I could loosen the wallet strings!

Edited by Squirrelofwoe on Thursday 15th April 12:16
Heres some man maths:

B450 motherboard £65-75 (most support 2nd, 3rd and 4th gen ryzens so potential to upgrade further down the years)

Ryzen 5 3600 (can be often had for around £150) 6core/12 thread brilliant 3rd gen CPU

16GB DDR4 3200 - often available for around £70

Honestly you won't regret the upgrade. It will be a night and day difference to your current CPU and all for less than £300

Steven_RW

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Thursday 15th April 2021
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anarki said:
Heres some man maths:

B450 motherboard £65-75 (most support 2nd, 3rd and 4th gen ryzens so potential to upgrade further down the years)

Ryzen 5 3600 (can be often had for around £150) 6core/12 thread brilliant 3rd gen CPU

16GB DDR4 3200 - often available for around £70

Honestly you won't regret the upgrade. It will be a night and day difference to your current CPU and all for less than £300
Reading this with interest and amusement at the unchecked TVR spending vs the realistic PC budget. :-) Add £75 to £150 for a PSU. Corsair RM850x at £135 being an exact example of quality.

Steven_RW

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I'm thinking about having a look at this defence grid game after it has been talked about here.

3sixty

2,963 posts

200 months

Friday 16th April 2021
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anarki said:
Heres some man maths:

B450 motherboard £65-75 (most support 2nd, 3rd and 4th gen ryzens so potential to upgrade further down the years)

Ryzen 5 3600 (can be often had for around £150) 6core/12 thread brilliant 3rd gen CPU

16GB DDR4 3200 - often available for around £70

Honestly you won't regret the upgrade. It will be a night and day difference to your current CPU and all for less than £300
This is exactly the path I took last September. Went from a FX 8 series to a Ryzen 3600 with B450 motherboard. I'm the opposite though of the guy above in that I have an old R9 270x graphics card which overheats like a bh and is very dated by todays standard - but looking at graphics card prices at the moment and my budget (~150ish), I may need to wait for a while.... Was thinking of a 1660 Super for my budget, but in last year the prices have increased

Looking at the graphics card photos above, really brings back memories. I started on an Amiga 1200, then to a 486 and kept on from there I remember enabling 'SVGA' version of games and being blown away. Then getting my Voodoo card and playing Fatal Racing and Destruction Derby and it was like nothing I had ever seen before.

Then I got into FPS and remember buying an Iiyama 21" CRT and dominating in Quake 2 jailbreak and rocket arena biggrin Good times

Edited by 3sixty on Friday 16th April 01:08