World of Warcraft

[...Mole...]

Anyone on Burning Blade?, I was considering moving for a while, but I am in a Guild of people i actually like this time so i think i'll hang about on it for a while.

Transferred my characters to Horde not long ago as it was getting increasingly hard to find groups and guilds if you were not a czech/slovak speaker on Alliance.

[PedantLosesGrip]

Draenor is pretty good. Been on since 2005. Mostly UK and Nordics; very good use of English and mature players (even teh ones who joined young in 2005 are now 18+)

[GT Kodiak]

Each Realm is only as good as the company you keep...

I did however enjoy the game more on PvP related servers a lot more. Getting ganked isn't fun... but the excitement of questing in areas populated by both factions certainly made for some frantic play. It also encouraged people on the same faction to work together...

[Plaice]

Whilst questing through MH last night came across the bears in trees quest which was another of those great quests that sometimes pop up.

I still say my favourite is "Have you ever seen one of these?" which was the cage of dancing murlocs released in a camp in Zangarmarsh.

Just wondering if anyone else has a favourite quest?

[Smashed]

Plaice said:

Whilst questing through MH last night came across the bears in trees quest which was another of those great quests that sometimes pop up.

I still say my favourite is "Have you ever seen one of these?" which was the cage of dancing murlocs released in a camp in Zangarmarsh.

Just wondering if anyone else has a favourite quest?

I generally hate questing but one of the few quest lines I do really enjoy is the Sons of Hodir ones, they're pretty fun. Or the quest line in Ashenvale which has probably been removed now that gets you the item that transforms you into a furlbog =D

[Zad]

I must admit, I'm feeling a bit flat now with WoW. I dinged 85 yesterday afternoon, after a day-and-a-bit's playing, which could in no way have been called intensive and hardcore. The normal mode dungeons are a bit of a faceroll if your party knows what they are doing, but the heroics are next to impossible, so making it very difficult to get geared for raids.

Do I really want to spend 2 hours or more doing one heroic, just in case something drops for me that has marginally better stats? I don't know. It feels like a lot of hard work from here, for little forward motion. Hmm. Not sure what to do now. I was going to move to a raiding guild, but I'm not sure the rewards are worthwhile.

[PedantLosesGrip]

Zad said:

I must admit, I'm feeling a bit flat now with WoW. I dinged 85 yesterday afternoon, after a day-and-a-bit's playing, which could in no way have been called intensive and hardcore. The normal mode dungeons are a bit of a faceroll if your party knows what they are doing, but the heroics are next to impossible, so making it very difficult to get geared for raids.

Do I really want to spend 2 hours or more doing one heroic, just in case something drops for me that has marginally better stats? I don't know. It feels like a lot of hard work from here, for little forward motion. Hmm. Not sure what to do now. I was going to move to a raiding guild, but I'm not sure the rewards are worthwhile.

Blimey... might want to give it a bit more of a chance than a day and a half...
Not a bit burned out by that? - did you enjoy the content - or just quest and instance to get to "85" a goal?

[Swanboy]

Just hit 85 after 2 1/2 days working my way through most of the zones. Still gotta go back and try Vashir, but enjoyed all the new content hugely.
Dungeons have been good in guild groups, haven't tried pugging one yet
Looking forward to gearing up for the Hreoic versions and then raiding!

[Zad]

Nah, there was no point taking my time, I have been through it all twice in beta already. World first was 5 hours, and the top guild (Paragon) already have 8 of 12 raid bosses down. It must be really boring being them, they have effectively "done" WoW, although there are heroic modes I suppose.

[Smashed]

2 hours in a heroic I remember spending far far longer in heroics for upgrades in TBC. Glad they've finally given me a challenge. TBH the difficult to get through fights are what I like about the game loot is just the means to get a job done a bit quicker. WOTLK got so freaking boring because I only needed on bloody spell to keep my group alive it was immensely dull and I'd often be just browsing the net during raids and heroics.

EDIT: I remember doing most wotlk heroics in 30-45 mins just after dinging 80 and in under 10 mins with ICC gear, that's just not fun and makes the farming for loot just seem like exactly that, farming. I'd rather work hard and get a reward, not spend hours just being bored so I had enough emblems for gear.

Edited by Smashed on Friday 10th December 07:29

[PedantLosesGrip]

Zad said:

Nah, there was no point taking my time, I have been through it all twice in beta already. World first was 5 hours, and the top guild (Paragon) already have 8 of 12 raid bosses down. It must be really boring being them, they have effectively "done" WoW, although there are heroic modes I suppose.

Well if you have done the expansion three times - twice in beta and once this week... can I ask what you were expecting to be different given beta was live until few days before final?

[GnuBee]

Plaice said:

Whilst questing through MH last night came across the bears in trees quest which was another of those great quests that sometimes pop up.

I still say my favourite is "Have you ever seen one of these?" which was the cage of dancing murlocs released in a camp in Zangarmarsh.

Just wondering if anyone else has a favourite quest?

Gnomerbliteration in Uldum is probably a contender. In fact Uldum is, for me, the best zone in the entire WoW universe with numerous references to a certain famous Jones and genuinely funny/compelling quests.

[GnuBee]

Zad said:

I must admit, I'm feeling a bit flat now with WoW. I dinged 85 yesterday afternoon, after a day-and-a-bit's playing, which could in no way have been called intensive and hardcore. The normal mode dungeons are a bit of a faceroll if your party knows what they are doing, but the heroics are next to impossible, so making it very difficult to get geared for raids.

Do I really want to spend 2 hours or more doing one heroic, just in case something drops for me that has marginally better stats? I don't know. It feels like a lot of hard work from here, for little forward motion. Hmm. Not sure what to do now. I was going to move to a raiding guild, but I'm not sure the rewards are worthwhile.

Depends on what motivates you in the game - the initial impression, given your second paragraph, is that it's the loot and the pursuit of ever better gear something which Blizzard have intentionally changed to a process that will take longer and will need things like that 2 hour investment in an instance in the hope of a minor increase.

What rewards are you expecting from a raiding guild? Certainly from our point of view the loot is actually a side effect (all be it a sometimes happy one) of being in an environment where the reward is working together to understand and eventually successfully complete content.

Sorry if I've got the wrong impression - I'm genuinely interested to hear what people "get" from the game and what they expect from being in a raiding guild (helps me understand the sometimes challenging behaviour of some of our members!).

[Smashed]

GnuBee said:

I'm genuinely interested to hear what people "get" from the game and what they expect from being in a raiding guild (helps me understand the sometimes challenging behaviour of some of our members!).

From the sounds of things I'm a bit like you. I'd rather be doing content in it's most challenging form. To me this is fun, knowing I am in a raiding guild that can down these bosses at their hardest and undergeared or just at the right gear level designed for that content. I really struggle with the few guildies that refuse to raid or w/e because the lost out on a peice of loot or whatever. I don't see the point. I should be getting loot to enable me to do the next fight at the same difficulty I just completed the fight I got loot from. Just a minor upgrade to help towards the end.

This is probably down to me only playing tanks healers or pvp specs or maybe that's why I play these specs. I like not worrying about my dps or heals or whatever. If I'm healing and people are alive I've done my job, satisfaction. If someone dies during a fight that I could be held responsible for IE they weren't doing the wrong thing by standing in some aoe or something then I genuinely feel dissapointed in myself even if the boss got killed I still feel that for me I didn't do a proper job. Tanking similar story getting my positioning correct and holding aggro on the correct mobs a challenge in itself. PVP the fun is just outwitting your opponent.

So to sum up I'm in a raiding guild not so I can strut around in my epics and show how big a nerd I am to everyone, but for challenging end game content. Heroics should NOT be easy after just a few hours played at max level they just shouldn't, not in my opinion anyway, fair enough once I've been raiding a while and have the survivabilty from big heals and large hp pool but to start with I want them to show me exactly who has skill and to challenge me. I've been in guilds with players that do absolutely phenomenal dps or heals, on bosses on farm. Take them to a new boss where not many in the raid have much knowledge of tactics and they fall flat on their face. Gear is a tool, if you don't have the ability to use your tools at the right time you may as well have nothing.

If people are playing the game just for the insane gear and to knock bosses out 3 mins before the enrage fine. That's why wow is what it is, to have this variation in play style. I just don't get any satisfaction from that.

Edited by Smashed on Friday 10th December 11:10

[Eddh]

Zad said:

Do I really want to spend 2 hours or more doing one heroic, just in case something drops for me that has marginally better stats? I don't know. It feels like a lot of hard work from here, for little forward motion. Hmm. Not sure what to do now. I was going to move to a raiding guild, but I'm not sure the rewards are worthwhile.

Out of interest, have you played since release or are you one of the new breed of LAWLWTFZERG!! wow players?

I have heard countless people moaning that wow is now 'too hard' and its quite silly really.

Towards the end of WOTLK it was a piece of piss, everything more or less could be zerged and didn't require tactics. Mobs didn't hit hard enough and didn't have enough HP and would die in seconds.

I remember spending hours and hours in places like UBRS, Scholo and Strat to get the gear to be able to stand a chance in MC and then again spending weeks and weeks on end in MC to do that this was back when wow was hard, you had to think, people used crowd control and you would wipe!

I for one am glad that wow has become hard again.

[Smashed]

Eddh said:

I remember spending hours and hours in places like UBRS, Scholo and Strat to get the gear to be able to stand a chance in MC and then again spending weeks and weeks on end in MC to do that this was back when wow was hard, you had to think, people used crowd control and you would wipe!

I for one am glad that wow has become hard again.

Speaking of CC the other day I asked a mage if he could cc my mark (star) his response "wtf is CC" silly me I guess.

[hostyle]

Silly you? I don't think so... I know the definition of CC. But I haven't had to use in the time I played WoW. I started in march this year (or somewhere around that time). By the time I had quested and random'ed my toon to 80, all the instances I got into were a tank and spank fest.

Most new(ish) players, me included, aren't used to this playstyle. This is one of the reasons why I have been holding back on the pugs. It is in effect a new play style for me, that a) I don't want to bother people I don't know with my fk-ups and b) I don't want other people to annoy me with snide remarks or meet the GOGOGO F*CKING NOOB OMG WTF!-crew.

[Storm1984]

hostyle said:

the GOGOGO F*CKING NOOB OMG WTF!-crew.

That boils my piss more than anything else. Really winds me up...

[Eddh]

Storm1984 said:

hostyle said:

the GOGOGO F*CKING NOOB OMG WTF!-crew.

That boils my piss more than anything else. Really winds me up...

Tanks that pull knowing you have no mana and knowing that the next pack of mobs is quite healing intensive and will require a lot of mana...

[Eddh]

hostyle said:

Silly you? I don't think so... I know the definition of CC. But I haven't had to use in the time I played WoW. I started in march this year (or somewhere around that time). By the time I had quested and random'ed my toon to 80, all the instances I got into were a tank and spank fest.

It is a shame though that you never got to experience the 'WOW of old'. Where no-one really knew the tactics to what you were about to face, we were exploring uncharted waters. It was awesome.

The work behind organising 40 people to all know what they are doing and making sure each of them didn't fk it up was incredible. Some people struggle to run and lead a 10 man raid now-a-days.

I swear if I lose my hair young it will be to raid leading MC, BWL and AQ! I used to like it when we did ZG and AQ20 (once they had come out) as it meant I only had half the amount of people to take care of.

However I am looking forward to hitting the 10 man content again in the new expansion we have a small dedicated guild of 24 people currently so 10 people all knowing what they are doing and playing well not having to carry anyone will be cool

Edited by Eddh on Friday 10th December 15:30