GTR Race League starting Monday 30th May

[FourWheelDrift]

Monday seemed to majority choice so.....

[b]First race is Monday 30th May[/b]

We will be doing the races in the order they are on the box (well my German import box anyway :)) With one extra addition.

Open to GT, G2 and NGT cars. There will be 2 championships and a combined.

Monday 30th May - Monza
Monday 6th June - Estoril
Monday 13th June - Magny-Cours
Monday 20th June - Anderstorp
Monday 27th June - Barcelona
Monday 4th July - Le Mans chicane version DAY New Version 3.1 Link - http://frank.f4.free.fr/addons%20Circuits.htm
Monday 11th July - Oscherleben
Monday 18th July - Enna-Pergusa
Monday 25th July - Spa (Day)
Monday 1st August - Brno
Monday 8th August - Donington


Few rules :-

GT and NGT classes run to their own championship.
With the winner in each class awarded maximum points and so on down their class listing. However there will be a combined results board where the points from both championships will be put against each other the highest points scorer of both will be the overall winner

[b]Weight penalties[/b]
The winners, 2nd and 3rd place finishers of both classes will get weight penalties (this can be added by the host). 1st gets 30kg, 2nd gets 20kg and 3rd gets 10kg . If they win again they will get the same weight again added, as will 2nd & 3rd. If they finish outside the top 3 places in the next race then 10kg of weight is removed, they would lose the another 10kg (if they still had weight onboard if they finish outside the top 3 in the next race. This weight will be known by all via the results of the last race posted and will be added by the host during the closed player joining practice session where much pi$$taking and pre-qualifying merriment will be entertained.

[b]Race classes for G2 class cars.[/b]
Corvette is in the GT class
Seat Toledo, Mosler and Elise are in NGT

[b]Complusory pitstops[/b]
GT's (and Corvette G2) - 2 compulsory pitstops.
NGT's (and Mosler, Elise, Seat Toledo) - 1 compulsory pitstop.
As long as everyone in their class does the same number of pitstops it makes the race fair, but since the faster GT cars do one extra they may be mixing in the race it more with the NGT cars. NGT possible overall victory ;)

[b]Race format[/b]
Join in Practice session, no one goes out till all present who are racing.
20 minutes of Qualifying
1 hour race. [b]Server to start hosting at 9pm[/b]

IP Details posted on here for convenience.
Results posted on here - http://www.mercia.biz/forum/index.php?c=5

[b]Points for both classes[/b]
1st - 10
2nd - 8
3rd - 6
4th - 5
5th - 4
6th - 3
7th - 2
8th - 1

One point for pole position
One point for fastest lap (seen on race completion screen at the end - host must not quit too soon)

I think I haven't forgotten anything :) But if I have let me know.

[FourWheelDrift]

Possible, I chose 10kg increments as I think thats what they use on BTCC and DTM.

Double it? 60, 40, 20kg ?

[FourWheelDrift]

pvapour said:

any ideas what time we're starting?

FourWheelDrift said:

Race format Join in Practice session, no one goes out till all present who are racing. 20 minutes of Qualifying 1 hour race. Server to start hosting at 9pm

I even put it in bold in the original post.

[FourWheelDrift]

Guess so.

[FourWheelDrift]

Monza starting in 5mins.

Join and wait (do not go out) in the practice session until others have joined, then we will go into the 20min qualifying session.

>> Edited by FourWheelDrift on Tuesday 31st May 09:07

[FourWheelDrift]

Well this is how it finished.

1st FourWheeldrift
2nd Andy (AJLintern)
3rd Pvapour
4th D_Mike
5th James (Badders)
6th Simon
7th Stefan

No idea about the rest as you all left due to mechanical breakages. Can you fill in the blanks?

For those of you less mechanically sympathetic (or just like to smell of burning oil in the evenings) how about reducing the race length to 45mins. Still with same pitstop rules.?


My race was.....er...entertaining. Crashed on lap 2 (same thing I did with the Viper in the last race) and fell a lap and a bit down. Decided to double my fuel load on my first stop and do a much shorter 2nd stop and change to softer tyres to try to make up time. Managed to hobble round on worn tyres for the last few laps before my 2nd stop. Sorry about the "after you...no after you" bit in the race PV you had just exited the pits, let me through at the first chicane but my braking distances were a lot longer than yours and I was trying to let you back through at the 2nd chicane as I knew I was at that point slower. Anyway I managed to unlap myself and get onto the leading lap, then just as I was catching James and PV in 1st & 2nd when you both went off at Parabolica and I had a clean run till the end.

Jeez guys, I even give you a lap head start and I still win

>> Edited by FourWheelDrift on Monday 30th May 23:13

[FourWheelDrift]

AJLintern said:

Yes in a way it's better that you can't restart - more realistic and makes people treat their cars carefully. I certainly didn't expect to finish 2nd!

Just remembering you said you were only having problems under braking, sounds as though you haven't quite got the brake bias and brake pressure set right (or maybe even changing down too early for the Corvette).

This is how I sorted mine. (different for each persons pedals sets I think and braking...but)

Try turning on stability control and checking, then when you have done a few laps without losing it under braking turn it off. Turn the brake pressure right down to 80%, then check on track, if you are not locking the fronts move the bias more to the front until you do. That is your limit to front brake bias. Now turn the pressure back up moving the brake bias back towards the rear each time to compensate for not locking the fronts by running more pressure. You may find a sweet spot at 90 or 95% brake pressure then a little more of a tweak on the bias and your done. I also still tend to brake and control any rear lockups by using a little throttle once I have scrubbed most of the speed off but it can increase tyre wear. Also remember to check your brake ducts, too small and the brakes will overheat, too big and they won't heat up to operating temperature. Also another thing to remember during a long race, the Live Track Technology, you'll have less grip the more the race goes on if you venture off the racing line (rubber, marbles effect).

[FourWheelDrift]

docevi1 said:

in case you start waiting for me at the Estoril race, I won't be there - am on my holidays

Where are you going, Portugal?

[FourWheelDrift]

pvapour said:

i'll skip qulifying though i can't justify sitting there for nearly 2 hours which is what it is by the time you've found the IP address etc. I'll have to come through from the back

We only started 20mins late, we were ready to start at 9 but 2 people were late and we waited for them Besides I've no found out how to not let my PC freeze for 2secs when someone joins my server, but it'll mean you can only join when I am in the garage, if I'm on a few qualy laps, you aren't loaded up. So it's best to be on time

pvapour said:

Did you get fastest lap fwd?

Pass......er....pass then I passed someone else

[FourWheelDrift]

Andy if you haven't done another race since Monday can you email me the Results.txt file for the race.

It'll be in GTR-userdata-LOG-Results folder. I have a application that can sort them like with GPL (but only for details not graphically). I've done another race since and mine is overwritten.

thanks

[FourWheelDrift]

AJLintern said:

Ok I've uploaded the text file Here

thanks for that, it's not saved the qualifying times but I know I was on pole for the extra point, at least this has the fastest lap saved off (well done PV)

Here's what it generated, I think next time you'll all have to stay in (go make a cup of tea or something else) even if you drop out until the races finishes.

Monza Race 1 results. Open/view in new window, PH squashes it a bit.


So total points dished out will be

1st - FourwheelDrift - 11 (Pole) + 60kg penalty next race
2nd - Andy - 8 + 40kg penalty next race
3rd - Pvapour - 7 (Fastest Lap) + 20kg penalty next race
4th - D_Mike - 5
5th - James - 4
6th - Simon - 3
7th - Stefan - 2

PS I have no idea what the all the numbers for Race Distance mean. Yet

>> Edited by FourWheelDrift on Thursday 2nd June 22:17

[FourWheelDrift]

I used the aids when I firsty started (Low TC) because I read and I think posted on here too about an interview with FIA GT racer and Simbin chief Henrick Roos who said, because you don't get the feel of what the car is doing through the seat or pedals like a real GT car you may need to turn the traction control on help you. I did for the first few weeks, then as I got used to it I turned it off. I'm doing quicker times now than then, but I still make mistakes on the throttle out of corners. Like I did on lap 2 at Monza.

I have everything off now and I'm quicker than I was with the help on.

[FourWheelDrift]

That's one of the reasons why there are 2 mandatory pitstops for the GT cars in a 1 hour race, anyone can do 20mins on a set of hard tyres without wearing them out, you might even manage it on mediums. You'll only wear them out if you spin off and heat them up or brake too late and lock up.

Although I did a 1m44 in qualifying, I only did a 1m47 in the race, I think I did lots of consecutive 1m27's by keeping a solid pace, not spinning, not locking tyres that's key to preserving tyres throughout the race.

I crashed early and decided to double the fuel load on my first stop to try and not be lapped/loose too much time early on and then only put in shorter load of fuel and softer tyres on the final stop expecting to go fast at the end to catch up (but not needed as almost all of you had dropped out). I managed it though, I didn't get any tyre warnings at all although I could feel a lack of grip at the end of the run I was still able to lap fast enough.



PS I think traction control is allowed in this years FIA GT series. It's also legal in the ALMS series.

[FourWheelDrift]

pvapour said:

incidently FWD, have you done some laps with the penaltys added? any ideas on secounds lost? what are we using for weight penalty, our dog weighs about 20kg so i can just bung him in the back, i'm sure he'll enjoy it the ride think you might need a St Bernard or a shetland pony though

I haven't yet, I'd have to do it as an online game test and add the weight, although as I mentioned above I ran with a lot of fuel for about 40mins at Monza which is probably more than the 60kg I'll have at Estoril and it was ok, so the same weight over half the race time should be ok for tyres and things just a bit slower on acceleration and probably slightly longer braking distances. I'll give it a go at the weekend for real though.

[FourWheelDrift]

docevi1 said:

conversly, if you took all aids away, you'd alienate me completely - there is pretty much no way I can get the sodding car not to lock it's wheels no matter what I try (even on 80% pressure the wheels will lock).

Might be too much front brake bias although it's could also be your pedals, are they quite light to push down? Many people with GPL, GTR and other games put half a squash ball under the pedals for better feel, depending on the pedals they use.

[FourWheelDrift]

:cough: no one else tried the 2005 car mod yet and those Maserati's?

If everyone has the mod installed you can even race on in the league. If you have seen any of the FIA GT races this year they won't be donimant since they have bigger restrictors and smaller wings so no advantage to anyone, just a different car to use.

[FourWheelDrift]

Slight re-think on the weight penalties (as I've just tried it out for the first time )

You can only add a maximum of 100kg in weight so I propose this structure.

1st - 50kg
2nd - 35kg
3rd - 20kg

With further weight added if you finish in the top 3 again up to the maximum of 100kg. If you finish outside the top 3 your weight is halved no matter what weight you have on board for the next race.

Does that sound Ok?

[FourWheelDrift]

turbosei said:

Why is it that the F575 is slower than the F550? Despite the road car having more power, the GTR version seems to have less than it's older brother.

Development, in 2003 the 575 race car was brand new and the 550 had a few years development behind it.

[FourWheelDrift]

D_Mike said:

on a gtr related note, I am trying to register with Racemore so that I can do a race online tonight... but I can't register my game... it times out every time (the bit where you enter your online key thingy). Any ideas?

Might be your email address, it doesn't like captial letters. Other than that it might be undergoing maintenance.