RAF MARHAM Weekend 18th & 19th April 2009
Discussion
B'stard Child said:
A noise limit of 105 dB will be enforced (measured at 0.5m and 45 degree angle from exhaust exit at 2/3 of max rpm). Cars exceeding this limit will not be permitted on track. 
That's resonably generous, even if you have a RV8 with a custom exhaust. 
Hannah, Im not sure what yours revs to but mine is all over by ~5500 so 2/3 = 3663rpm. I'll see if I can bring a noise meter along to the next PHEA meet if you'd like yours measuring...
Wicker Man said:
B'stard Child said:
A noise limit of 105 dB will be enforced (measured at 0.5m and 45 degree angle from exhaust exit at 2/3 of max rpm). Cars exceeding this limit will not be permitted on track.
That's resonably generous, even if you have a RV8 with a custom exhaust. Hannah, Im not sure what yours revs to but mine is all over by ~5500 so 2/3 = 3663rpm. I'll see if I can bring a noise meter along to the next PHEA meet if you'd like yours measuring...
If there was a refund for those cars which failed the test on the day, then that might encourage them to at least turn up?
Wasting time is one thing, wasting time and money is something else!
Edited by gtr-gaz on Monday 2nd February 07:17
Settle down chaps....back of the bike sheds will doubtless be available if required for the tabbers, but it shouldn't be needed as long as people don't litter the area....
The noise issue is, as I indicated, that the Station Commander had to ask the organisers to implement some form of noise control, following a letter of complaint from the village about noise on weekends, and words in his shell-like from some of the people living in the married quarters; as also indicated, 105dB really is not restrictive, for all but the odd unsilenced one or two.
On the issue of the additional fee for extra drivers and passengers, there is a twofold reason. Firstly, the money still all goes to the charity pot and the overall sum is still deemed to be very reasonable (which I believe it is in value for money terms). Secondly, it has been introduced to control many who just pitch up - this is primarily about the station's personnel who can just pitch up because they are based there. The last few track days have got difficult to control in that respect and the organisers also wanted to achieve benefit from the extra work that the helpers do in briefing and signing people up for rides all through the day. All the volunteer helpers get briefed, wrist-stamped and sign an indemnity form before the start - they get that for free and, with many of us offering them rides, that acts as a "thank you" to them for giving up their weekend to prepare/run/manage the event and clear up afterwards.
There is no move to make the event become bound by ever increasing regulation - the atmosphere of enjoyment and sensible, appropriate self-regulation remains to the fore.
MG Mark
The noise issue is, as I indicated, that the Station Commander had to ask the organisers to implement some form of noise control, following a letter of complaint from the village about noise on weekends, and words in his shell-like from some of the people living in the married quarters; as also indicated, 105dB really is not restrictive, for all but the odd unsilenced one or two.
On the issue of the additional fee for extra drivers and passengers, there is a twofold reason. Firstly, the money still all goes to the charity pot and the overall sum is still deemed to be very reasonable (which I believe it is in value for money terms). Secondly, it has been introduced to control many who just pitch up - this is primarily about the station's personnel who can just pitch up because they are based there. The last few track days have got difficult to control in that respect and the organisers also wanted to achieve benefit from the extra work that the helpers do in briefing and signing people up for rides all through the day. All the volunteer helpers get briefed, wrist-stamped and sign an indemnity form before the start - they get that for free and, with many of us offering them rides, that acts as a "thank you" to them for giving up their weekend to prepare/run/manage the event and clear up afterwards.
There is no move to make the event become bound by ever increasing regulation - the atmosphere of enjoyment and sensible, appropriate self-regulation remains to the fore.
MG Mark
Hmmm well, as I used to do 2 trackdays a month when the Cobra was running last year, I do know how loud 105db is and the Cobra is above that. I usually get into Snetterton and other airfield days with a flutter of eyelashes & toss of hair but it's working less n less. Must be getting old.
Just some reminders please
I hope this makes sense as
1. I do have a full time job
2. I do this in my free time
3. Co-ordinating the attendance of 175 cars accross 3 forums and 2 days means that I need to get the system in place and get it right first time
B'stard Child said:
Please Note - I am in discussion with the organisers to firm up some of the suggested changes - esp the drift thing - Sat is by far the quieter day and the ABS forum that I also co-ordinate the entries for have the largest number of drift cars so having had lengthy discussions about the impact of this activity it was agreed on the forum that it may be better if the ABS moved their attendance from Sun (busy day) to Sat (quieter) This however has not been agreed yet
B'stard Child said:
I view of this I'd suggest that PH'rs don't email me with their details yet
^ Please...... you won't miss out I promise - I'll come back to everyone who has posted in this thread once all the fine details are sorted - you request is more likely to get lost if you send it early as my inbox is a bit busy and I need to set up some mail rules before entries start flooding in - I didn't do this last time and one passenger change was missed and there was nothing I could do about it as the deadline had passed - saying to an attendee that he couldn't bring his passenger because of a mistake I had made that I couldn't rectify was not pleasant...... I hadn't set up any mail rules but they would have stopped it happening - I will be setting them up this time for sureI hope this makes sense as
1. I do have a full time job
2. I do this in my free time
3. Co-ordinating the attendance of 175 cars accross 3 forums and 2 days means that I need to get the system in place and get it right first time
Edited by B'stard Child on Monday 2nd February 19:51
Naughty Magpie said:
Hmmm well, as I used to do 2 trackdays a month when the Cobra was running last year, I do know how loud 105db is and the Cobra is above that. I usually get into Snetterton and other airfield days with a flutter of eyelashes & toss of hair but it's working less n less. Must be getting old.
And a fine sight a flutter of those eyelashes and a toss of the hair is from you m'dear...and you're nowhere near as old as us old geezers in the old jalopies. But then if you will run that brutish V8 stuff (although I'm surprised that you're that loud, even if a good V8 sounds like God's most wonderful noise) you might just need to do the flutter and toss thing at the measuring man and go easier with the right foot.......or go for something like this if it is a problem elsewhere http://www.actproducts.co.uk/trackdays.php. Failing all else, you're welcome to drive the old jalopies any time!MG Mark
Edited by MG Mark on Monday 2nd February 21:48
WIJ933 said:
I,m up for bringing all the toys provided I can get drivers. Hope to God the Lambo pass's the noise test with its Tubi!!
So can you add me with:
Lancia Integrale
Lambo Murcielago
Ferrari 360
Mitsi Evo 9
Can't see you having a problem getting drivers for those!!So can you add me with:
Lancia Integrale
Lambo Murcielago
Ferrari 360
Mitsi Evo 9
I'll have the Lambo, Hannah gets the Ferrari and Darren the Evo...that leaves you with the Lancia, ok?
Below is a decibel chart:
Sound Decibel Level
softest audible sound 0 dB
normal breathing 10 dB
rustling leaves 20 dB
whispering 25 dB
clothes dryer 60 dB
normal conversation 60 dB
dishwasher 65 dB
car 70 dB
busy traffic 75 dB
alarm clock 80 dB
noisy restaurant 80 dB
average factory 85 dB
screaming child 90 dB
subway train 100 dB
diesel truck 100 dB
helicopter 105 dB
power mower 105 dB
shouting in ear 110 dB
live rock music 90-130 dB
football stadium 117 dB
band concert 120 dB
thunder 120 dB
car horn 120 dB
jackhammer 130 dB
air raid siren 130 dB
noisy squeeze toys 135 dB
gunshot 140 dB
jet engine 140 dB
rocket launching 180 dB
loudest sound 194 dB
So as long as your not driving round on a power mower you will be just fine.(I didnt spend hours researching this list only googled it)
Sound Decibel Level
softest audible sound 0 dB
normal breathing 10 dB
rustling leaves 20 dB
whispering 25 dB
clothes dryer 60 dB
normal conversation 60 dB
dishwasher 65 dB
car 70 dB
busy traffic 75 dB
alarm clock 80 dB
noisy restaurant 80 dB
average factory 85 dB
screaming child 90 dB
subway train 100 dB
diesel truck 100 dB
helicopter 105 dB
power mower 105 dB
shouting in ear 110 dB
live rock music 90-130 dB
football stadium 117 dB
band concert 120 dB
thunder 120 dB
car horn 120 dB
jackhammer 130 dB
air raid siren 130 dB
noisy squeeze toys 135 dB
gunshot 140 dB
jet engine 140 dB
rocket launching 180 dB
loudest sound 194 dB
So as long as your not driving round on a power mower you will be just fine.(I didnt spend hours researching this list only googled it)
Edited by _Mechanic on Tuesday 3rd February 07:33
B'stard Child said:
Just some reminders please
...I hope this makes sense as
1. I do have a full time job
2. I do this in my free time
3. Co-ordinating the attendance of 175 cars accross 3 forums and 2 days means that I need to get the system in place and get it right first time
Do you need any help? (PM me if you want)....I hope this makes sense as
1. I do have a full time job
2. I do this in my free time
3. Co-ordinating the attendance of 175 cars accross 3 forums and 2 days means that I need to get the system in place and get it right first time
Edited by B'stard Child on Monday 2nd February 19:51
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