Possible major problem in Wisconsin
Discussion
I just bought a G20 that was titled in North Carolina for about 10 years and then sold to a gentleman who titled it in Missouri. Today I tried to transfer the title and license it in Wisconsin and spent five hours at and on the phone with the DMV. After talking to six different agents it looks like Wisconsin will take my money to issue a title but will not license the car to be driven. They are insisting that I produce a copy of the Federal Certification Label or a Registered Importer label Does anyone have experience with this type of situation? Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Brad.
Thanks
Brad.
Hello guys
Wisconsin has regional offices. I started at a large one of those. They of course did not recognize the VIN so they contacted the Research dept at headquarters. The answer from them was that I needed a photo of the Federal Certification Label. When I explained that there was no FCL because it was brought in as components and assembled in North Carolina then they wanted a Registered Importer Label. I then spoke to the individual that made this decision and there was no reasoning with him. I explained that the car was licensed and titled in two states previously - South Carolina and Missouri - and he said that Wisconsin insists that a car must meet Federal standards and it doesn't matter what other states do. I pointed out that every car show has dozens of cars with no FCL,but that meant nothing to him. Talked with him about Hobbyist Plates. See these rules
:
Types of hobbyist vehicles
Street modified vehicles
Must be at least 20 model years old.
Can still be recognized as the original vehicle year and make.
Are altered from the original vehicle.
Are typically known as "hot rods" or "street rods".
(Obviously can't meet this because it is not 20 years old or modified.)
Replica vehicles
Must replicate a vehicle at least 20 model years old.
Are reproductions of vehicles originally made by another manufacturer. (Indicate the year and make that the vehicle replicates in Section A of the application.)
(Not a replica of another manufacturers car.)
Reconstructed vehicles
Are constructed from a vehicle at least 20 model years old.
Are no longer recognizable as the original vehicle.
If newly reconstructed, the application must include a bill of sale for all major parts used in the construction of the vehicle.
May need an inspection by a Wisconsin State Patrol inspector. You will receive a letter requesting an inspection, if needed.
( Not 20 years or unrecognizable.)
Homemade motorized vehicles
Must have been constructed from new or used parts with a body and frame not originating from or resembling a previously manufactured motor vehicle.
Homemade motorcycles must replicate a motorcycle 20 or more model years old.
May need an inspection by a Wisconsin State Patrol inspector. You will receive a letter requesting an inspection, if needed..
(His position is that it is originating from a manufactured motor vehicle.)
I do not know what else to say.
Thanks for any thoughts.
Brad
Wisconsin has regional offices. I started at a large one of those. They of course did not recognize the VIN so they contacted the Research dept at headquarters. The answer from them was that I needed a photo of the Federal Certification Label. When I explained that there was no FCL because it was brought in as components and assembled in North Carolina then they wanted a Registered Importer Label. I then spoke to the individual that made this decision and there was no reasoning with him. I explained that the car was licensed and titled in two states previously - South Carolina and Missouri - and he said that Wisconsin insists that a car must meet Federal standards and it doesn't matter what other states do. I pointed out that every car show has dozens of cars with no FCL,but that meant nothing to him. Talked with him about Hobbyist Plates. See these rules
:
Types of hobbyist vehicles
Street modified vehicles
Must be at least 20 model years old.
Can still be recognized as the original vehicle year and make.
Are altered from the original vehicle.
Are typically known as "hot rods" or "street rods".
(Obviously can't meet this because it is not 20 years old or modified.)
Replica vehicles
Must replicate a vehicle at least 20 model years old.
Are reproductions of vehicles originally made by another manufacturer. (Indicate the year and make that the vehicle replicates in Section A of the application.)
(Not a replica of another manufacturers car.)
Reconstructed vehicles
Are constructed from a vehicle at least 20 model years old.
Are no longer recognizable as the original vehicle.
If newly reconstructed, the application must include a bill of sale for all major parts used in the construction of the vehicle.
May need an inspection by a Wisconsin State Patrol inspector. You will receive a letter requesting an inspection, if needed.
( Not 20 years or unrecognizable.)
Homemade motorized vehicles
Must have been constructed from new or used parts with a body and frame not originating from or resembling a previously manufactured motor vehicle.
Homemade motorcycles must replicate a motorcycle 20 or more model years old.
May need an inspection by a Wisconsin State Patrol inspector. You will receive a letter requesting an inspection, if needed..
(His position is that it is originating from a manufactured motor vehicle.)
I do not know what else to say.
Thanks for any thoughts.
Brad
I tried. A manufacturer can't make a replica of their own model according to the state agent who made the rulings. Very frustrating. I'm trying to contact one of the companies that originally sold G20s to see if there was a waiver or some statute that applied when the car was built. I am pretty much beside myself with this whole situation. My only recourse is to send the clear title in and see what happens. This would cost $800 for sales tax, etc. and if they do not change the ruling the title will be classified non-conforming. I obviously am very reluctant to do this.
Brad
Brad
1) I wouldn't have bought the car if I didn't think it was interesting.
2) I have $600 in transportation costs.
3) I have to get a Wisconsin title before I can resell it and that title may be such that it negatively affects the value.
4) I do not feel like having some DMV character arbitrarily dictate what I can drive just because he can.
If that's too "emotionally invested" for you then so be it.
2) I have $600 in transportation costs.
3) I have to get a Wisconsin title before I can resell it and that title may be such that it negatively affects the value.
4) I do not feel like having some DMV character arbitrarily dictate what I can drive just because he can.
If that's too "emotionally invested" for you then so be it.
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