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Mine cost £995 inc VAT, fitted them myself only two bolts on each one. Took longer to get the ride heights done but only took a morning in total. Takes a while to set up the damping settings but once done the improvement is totally awesome!
>> Edited by simon t on Friday 5th September 10:25
>> Edited by simon t on Friday 5th September 10:25
There are lots of different specs and hence prices. You can see the range on the Nitron web site www.nitron.co.uk . The entry level NTX dampers are listed at £155 each and they do standard TVR kits for £850. But you can pay £500 a corner or more if you go for the posh ones. Fitting is pretty straightforward and shouldn't take a competant mechanic more than an hour. They are far and away the best dampers I've ever used and transformed the car. In fact when I set the suspension up with these, they made a bigger improvement to my lap times at Goodwood than adding 80 BHP had done the year before.
I had the £850 kit fitted by Steve Howard as well. The only problem I have had is that getting the rear ride height correct on mine has been a problem. Steve has had to adjust them twice and after grounding out on the way back from France (admittedly lots of booze but I still had space left) I think they need doing again.
Other than that they are excellent.
Other than that they are excellent.
cat ..... pigeons.....
Had Nitrons on my car and long story short - did you know that you INSTANTLY invalidate your warranty if you as much as look at a racing circuit, never mind use the car on one.... so, all you chaps who put Nitrons on to improve handing and body control for track days - you have just invalidated your warranties so that if they fail (just exactly how long do they last?) you have to buy them all again....
Just a word of warning from one who has already been burned....
Had Nitrons on my car and long story short - did you know that you INSTANTLY invalidate your warranty if you as much as look at a racing circuit, never mind use the car on one.... so, all you chaps who put Nitrons on to improve handing and body control for track days - you have just invalidated your warranties so that if they fail (just exactly how long do they last?) you have to buy them all again....
Just a word of warning from one who has already been burned....
pbrettle said:
cat ..... pigeons.....
Had Nitrons on my car and long story short -
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Just a word of warning from one who has already been burned....
The past tense here interests me, what do you have on your car at present then
and a comparasom between the two would be helpful for the undecided. Harry
pbrettle said:
cat ..... pigeons.....
Had Nitrons on my car and long story short - did you know that you INSTANTLY invalidate your warranty if you as much as look at a racing circuit, never mind use the car on one.... so, all you chaps who put Nitrons on to improve handing and body control for track days - you have just invalidated your warranties so that if they fail (just exactly how long do they last?) you have to buy them all again....
seems odd my first set were repaired under warranty and Guy knew that they had been on the track, and he even replaced one on the race car when i managed to snap it.
and failing that they will rebuild them for somewhere between 25-50 quid... each. you must have upset him
Maybe I did upset them - either way, they have been been defensive, obstructive and downright awful with customer service. I probably didnt help the situation, but they could have at least offered something - rather than the "thats life" attitude that I got....
Maybe things have changed recently, I dont know. What I do know is that mine lasted less than 19,000 miles and just over two years. Thats hardly what I would call performance shocks...!! Oh, and for the record they told me that as soon as the car goes on a track - the warranty is invalidated - I only did one 1/2 day beginners track day too.. the car certainly does not get a major spanking all of the time so I would have expected the shocks to last much longer than that - but hey, what do I know....
Nitrons are good (if you can afford the replacement every two years!) but they are noisy and having AVO's now, I am happier with these.... ride quality is smoother and ultimately they are cheaper and not as advanced, they are more suited to my average abilities.
If you got 'em fine - but I certainly wont ever be buying them again. Not after this experience - especially when you are looking at £800 every two years....
Maybe things have changed recently, I dont know. What I do know is that mine lasted less than 19,000 miles and just over two years. Thats hardly what I would call performance shocks...!! Oh, and for the record they told me that as soon as the car goes on a track - the warranty is invalidated - I only did one 1/2 day beginners track day too.. the car certainly does not get a major spanking all of the time so I would have expected the shocks to last much longer than that - but hey, what do I know....
Nitrons are good (if you can afford the replacement every two years!) but they are noisy and having AVO's now, I am happier with these.... ride quality is smoother and ultimately they are cheaper and not as advanced, they are more suited to my average abilities.
If you got 'em fine - but I certainly wont ever be buying them again. Not after this experience - especially when you are looking at £800 every two years....
I don't know anything about your problems with Nitron and maybe if I had the same problems I'd feel differently. But my experience with them has been a much happier one, and based on that I recommend them very highly.
The Nitron dampers work extremely well (dramatically better than the Koni (OK but hard to adjust), Spax (randomly stopped working, one literally fell apart and could have killed me), AVO (EXTREMELY harsh and very coarse adjustment) and Gaz (good budget dampers) I have tried on the car) and the support from Nitron has been first rate. Guy knew from the outset that the car does a lot of sprints and trackdays as well as being a road car.
I was an 'early adopter' and I got a set of the original Nitron dampers before production went into full swing. Guy is a highly skilled race engineer and was very helpful advising on the best spec to suit my car and suspension setup, I effectively got a set of custom made dampers for the standard price. About a year (and 15,000 miles) later I rang to ask about servicing and mentioned that they were quite squeaky and he asked whether I wanted a free upgrade to the later non-squeaky seals so of course I jumped at the offer - because he had to take them apart to replace the seals I effectively got a free service out of the deal. Now, after another three years and 45,000 miles I got in touch with Guy again to ask about another service and one thing has lead to another, I'm getting a set of the newer more advanced NTR dampers instead.
I know the Tasmin racers had problems with the end fittings being broken off, I believe this was caused by the amount of sideways flexing that occurs in the wedge trailing arm suspension, the low compliance bushes used in these dampers can only take up a small amount of twisting and the wedge suspension twists all over the place. These end fittings are simply not suitable for that application.
Although I would say this is no fault of the damper, I understand Guy replaced a lot of these dampers at short notice (including, if the rumour is true, at least one damper that had clearly been accident damaged - this really is taking the p!ss).
Properly located suspension doesn't suffer from this twisting, of course, so S series and later models don't suffer from this problem.
Not in any way trying to play down the problems you obviously had with them, but just wanted to balance this with my own experience which has been much more positive.
The Nitron dampers work extremely well (dramatically better than the Koni (OK but hard to adjust), Spax (randomly stopped working, one literally fell apart and could have killed me), AVO (EXTREMELY harsh and very coarse adjustment) and Gaz (good budget dampers) I have tried on the car) and the support from Nitron has been first rate. Guy knew from the outset that the car does a lot of sprints and trackdays as well as being a road car.
I was an 'early adopter' and I got a set of the original Nitron dampers before production went into full swing. Guy is a highly skilled race engineer and was very helpful advising on the best spec to suit my car and suspension setup, I effectively got a set of custom made dampers for the standard price. About a year (and 15,000 miles) later I rang to ask about servicing and mentioned that they were quite squeaky and he asked whether I wanted a free upgrade to the later non-squeaky seals so of course I jumped at the offer - because he had to take them apart to replace the seals I effectively got a free service out of the deal. Now, after another three years and 45,000 miles I got in touch with Guy again to ask about another service and one thing has lead to another, I'm getting a set of the newer more advanced NTR dampers instead.
I know the Tasmin racers had problems with the end fittings being broken off, I believe this was caused by the amount of sideways flexing that occurs in the wedge trailing arm suspension, the low compliance bushes used in these dampers can only take up a small amount of twisting and the wedge suspension twists all over the place. These end fittings are simply not suitable for that application.
Although I would say this is no fault of the damper, I understand Guy replaced a lot of these dampers at short notice (including, if the rumour is true, at least one damper that had clearly been accident damaged - this really is taking the p!ss).
Properly located suspension doesn't suffer from this twisting, of course, so S series and later models don't suffer from this problem.
Not in any way trying to play down the problems you obviously had with them, but just wanted to balance this with my own experience which has been much more positive.
I didnt think the warranty comment on here relected my experience so i contacted nitron and here ( with Guy's permission) is the reply
> He wrote to us complaining that his NTX shocks were all leaking and were
> 'shot' after 2 1/2 years, and as such wanted us to pay for their
> replacements. His letter was very agressive and threatening all sorts of
> bad press etc. and called our product defective etc. Anyway, it got my
> back
> up and I just replied saying the product is only guaranteed for 2 years
> of
> road use, and as such all we could offer him was some discounted new
> product. I haven't heard anything from him until your e-mail pointing to
> the forum. If he had approached me as a reasonable person I might have
> been
> inclined to help him! As indicated by other messages on the thread.
>
> The new web-site, which has not yet been uploaded, explaines all about
> the
> new NTRs, and can be viewed at www.onyro.com/clients/nitron
Im not taking sides here i just though Guy had the right of reply. Remember Nitron is a small company and you get a personal service. this can be variable on how you approach them. But i doubt spax or avo ect would even offer a discounted upgrade if you suffered a problem after the warranty had run out, as appears in this case.
in short the word of the warranty is 2 years road use. but this doesnt specificaly exclude track use. its only a catch all if you try to take the p.. and i suspect to cover them legally if you stuff it on the track. Guy is more than happy to deal with warranty issues on a car used on the track.
G
p.s. dont flame me i,m only the messenger...
> He wrote to us complaining that his NTX shocks were all leaking and were
> 'shot' after 2 1/2 years, and as such wanted us to pay for their
> replacements. His letter was very agressive and threatening all sorts of
> bad press etc. and called our product defective etc. Anyway, it got my
> back
> up and I just replied saying the product is only guaranteed for 2 years
> of
> road use, and as such all we could offer him was some discounted new
> product. I haven't heard anything from him until your e-mail pointing to
> the forum. If he had approached me as a reasonable person I might have
> been
> inclined to help him! As indicated by other messages on the thread.
>
> The new web-site, which has not yet been uploaded, explaines all about
> the
> new NTRs, and can be viewed at www.onyro.com/clients/nitron
Im not taking sides here i just though Guy had the right of reply. Remember Nitron is a small company and you get a personal service. this can be variable on how you approach them. But i doubt spax or avo ect would even offer a discounted upgrade if you suffered a problem after the warranty had run out, as appears in this case.
in short the word of the warranty is 2 years road use. but this doesnt specificaly exclude track use. its only a catch all if you try to take the p.. and i suspect to cover them legally if you stuff it on the track. Guy is more than happy to deal with warranty issues on a car used on the track.
G
p.s. dont flame me i,m only the messenger...
I recently fitted the Nitron NTR dampers to my Griff and I'm very pleased with both their quaility and performence,what as been most impressive is the service, Guy as proved most helpful and patient answering all my dumb questions about spring rates,ride heights,damping settings etc.
First class service,three cheers for Nitron!!
First class service,three cheers for Nitron!!
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