New TVR still under wraps!
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bullittmcqueen said:
That's good news, thx. I was beginning to wonder what they were drinking when they came up with it. From what i hear cerb4.5lee is right and it's really an engine, not a diva.
The supercharger issue is one thing i'd really like to know the plans for. Don't like the idea of waiting 3 years for the thing only to have it overtaken by a version 6 months later with twice the power.
there are various supercharger kits (Whipple & Edelbrock for example) for the Coyote engine in the states. No doubt the likes of Powers Performance will be offering "upgrades" within a few months of initial production. That would invalidate the TVR warranty though unless TVR agree to the upgrade through installation by specific approved 'partners'.The supercharger issue is one thing i'd really like to know the plans for. Don't like the idea of waiting 3 years for the thing only to have it overtaken by a version 6 months later with twice the power.
m4tti said:
Not really. You’re just being obtuse to the fact that weight is no longer the limiting factor of modern performance cars and super cars that it once was, as technology has balanced previous disadvantages.
Which is exemplified by many metal super cars lol.
Perhaps what would be better than Les driving this thing to various places, revving it in a cringe worthy fashion whilst parking, would be to get it on dunsfold/top gear test track for a timed lap
"Adding power makes you faster on the straights. Subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere." Colin ChapmanWhich is exemplified by many metal super cars lol.
Perhaps what would be better than Les driving this thing to various places, revving it in a cringe worthy fashion whilst parking, would be to get it on dunsfold/top gear test track for a timed lap
Edited by m4tti on Friday 15th June 15:51
madaboutastons said:
essexstu said:
I gave TVR a chase on progress and they came back (within 24 hrs!) to say an new update will be "issued shortly" and the questionnaire to deposit holders is being revised to be more engaging and quicker to complete.
Dumb question: I am a deposit holder but have had no questionnaire. Did I miss something?PS I agree with the other sentiment here and will likely get my deposit back soon. Don't love the styling and the wait / lack of comms is just taking my enthusiasm down bit-by-bit every day.
yajeed said:
themee said:
Hmmm. That's hardly 'hanging the back end out', more 'booting it and accidentally losing traction', surely?bullittmcqueen said:
BJWoods said:
Is the reason nothing happening at the factory.. simply because (as we have previously been told) they don't actually get it until August......
Full steam ahead from next week?
I remember that mail. But i don't think so. My understanding was that they would get a cleaned/empty/ready building in August. But these pics look like nothing's been done yet. Full steam ahead from next week?
In one of the last updates Les stated that they had already moved into a (way) smaller hall on the other end of the area and that they would use that to set up production tooling. Imho, the big building is too big anyway. Building 2500 cars per year, which is their goal way down the road, means building 10 cars par day, 500 in a year means building 2 per day.
The original building is huge as in friggin' HUGE. You can build 2 cars a day in the receptionists office of it and 10 cars a day in the cafeteria. So my take is, there's nothing being done, as they will not move into this building, simply because it is not a good fit.
Throw in some Brexit-uncertainties (i.e. EU-money vanishing, hard-brexit, maybe no transition-phase) and Circuit of Wales dead and even someone with two fingers and a sore eye can figure out that it would be a waste of money to move in there.
Would be interesting to see current pictures of the other building !? And, as said before, some form of update greatly appreciated !!
http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/business/15801196...
bullittmcqueen said:
@essexstu
Just noted the "Original Poster" text next to your name ! You can pat yourself on the back for creating one of the longest-running threads in this forum !!
Thanks bullitt, it is amazing how the thread has continued. I check it reasonably regularly and try to post something relevant if it starts to flag. I did mention it to Les on the stand at London motor show so hopefully TVR bods do check it and absorb some of what posters put on here. Just noted the "Original Poster" text next to your name ! You can pat yourself on the back for creating one of the longest-running threads in this forum !!
smithyithy said:
Have they ever mentioned building their own engines again at some point in the future? Or is it the plan to always outsource them going forward?
TVR choosing the Ford V8 is the best choice for proven reliability and cost. It also means that cars in future should be able to be sold in the USA and that surely is the best market for ensuring financial viability given the size of the USA market and their general liking of British products. With an American engine and drivetrain it will be hugely popular. That must be TVRs medium term plan....Snakes said:
Maybe the controversial front will be more palatable once the registration plate is on?
Edited by Snakes on Thursday 2nd August 11:15
It is a shame that several deposit holders have now asked TVR for their deposits to be returned. TVRs attitude to those asking for deposits to be returned although polite does appear to be somewhat nonchalant. Now if this is because they actually expect an attrition rate of x% following the reveal and "delays" then so be it. The indications were that the 500 deposits were sold relatively soon after the Goodwood reveal and it was then that they started the reserve list for the standard car with proviso that as cancellations were received for the LE car then those on the reserve list would be 'promoted' to the LE car. Maybe the 'reserve' list is also 100+? Who really knows apart from TVR. They do not however seem desperate to keep the existing deposit holders on the hook do they?
Now I see their attitude being the result of either not being concerned at deposit holders dropping out because they have a healthy backstop of reserve deposit holders or, it could be that if they have taken so many deposits already without the car even being fully exposed to the market and most importantly, driven by the motoring press, that they are extremely confident of a further surge in interest in the car once it is driven by the journos. Just think what the reaction will be if half a dozen cars are produced and given to the various magazines like Evo, Top Gear, Octane etc and the magazines run articles of the road test including group tests and the TVR Griffith is declared a fantastic car with superb handling, eye watering performance and able to produce lap times in the same league as Audi R8s and Porsche 911 turbos. How many more customers will then come forward saying yes, I want that car!
Yes I know I could be dreaming and the TVR Griffith doesnt actually meet expectations but maybe, just maybe, TVR and Gordon Murray Design know exactly how good a car they have and that is why they are so relaxed about deposit holders asking for their money back.
Personally, I wont consider asking for mine back until the production car is out there and being driven and tested by the experts. If the likes of Chris Harris spend time with the car and report back that its ok, room for improvement, handling not as good as a 911 Carrera etc etc, THEN I will be asking for my deposit back. Hopefully it will be 5 stars and wow, this car kicks arse!
Now I see their attitude being the result of either not being concerned at deposit holders dropping out because they have a healthy backstop of reserve deposit holders or, it could be that if they have taken so many deposits already without the car even being fully exposed to the market and most importantly, driven by the motoring press, that they are extremely confident of a further surge in interest in the car once it is driven by the journos. Just think what the reaction will be if half a dozen cars are produced and given to the various magazines like Evo, Top Gear, Octane etc and the magazines run articles of the road test including group tests and the TVR Griffith is declared a fantastic car with superb handling, eye watering performance and able to produce lap times in the same league as Audi R8s and Porsche 911 turbos. How many more customers will then come forward saying yes, I want that car!
Yes I know I could be dreaming and the TVR Griffith doesnt actually meet expectations but maybe, just maybe, TVR and Gordon Murray Design know exactly how good a car they have and that is why they are so relaxed about deposit holders asking for their money back.
Personally, I wont consider asking for mine back until the production car is out there and being driven and tested by the experts. If the likes of Chris Harris spend time with the car and report back that its ok, room for improvement, handling not as good as a 911 Carrera etc etc, THEN I will be asking for my deposit back. Hopefully it will be 5 stars and wow, this car kicks arse!
DAKOTAstorm said:
Check Facebook/Twitter, video of Les revving it off the line. Dynamic debut. Hopefully more to follow.
love it!https://www.facebook.com/nationalmotormuseum/video...
Pursyluv said:
Apologies if this has been discussed before, but a previous poster has referred to LE and standard versions, is standard a different model or a de-spec'd version of the one currently being discussed in this thread
The standard model will be the same body and design but wont have the part carbon fibre chassis of the LE car. The standard car will also have the standard mustang engine and gearbox but option to have the Cosworth tuning and Tremec six speed box. Also full leather interior will be an option which is standard on the LE. No doubt some other detail finishes as well will become options that are standard on the LE car. Buyers of the standard will be able to spec it up to LE standard with the exception of the carbon fibre chassis which is only on the LE car. bullittmcqueen said:
essexstu said:
Pursyluv said:
Apologies if this has been discussed before, but a previous poster has referred to LE and standard versions, is standard a different model or a de-spec'd version of the one currently being discussed in this thread
The standard model will be the same body and design but wont have the part carbon fibre chassis of the LE car. The standard car will also have the standard mustang engine and gearbox but option to have the Cosworth tuning and Tremec six speed box. Also full leather interior will be an option which is standard on the LE. No doubt some other detail finishes as well will become options that are standard on the LE car. Buyers of the standard will be able to spec it up to LE standard with the exception of the carbon fibre chassis which is only on the LE car. Are you sure about the Cosworth tuning being optional ? My understanding was, that at least the dry-sumping (done by Cosworth) was necessary to actually get the engine under the hood.
Video is cool.
scotty1 said:
No TC, No ABS. That enough TVR DNA?scotty1 said:
No TC, No ABS. That enough TVR DNA?Jhonno said:
V6 Pushfit said:
AUTODESIGN said:
Hi guys- This will be my last post but since i now have my deposit returned but maybe i can share a few thoughts- 'The emperor has no clothes on!' The more i see and hear is that this project is near its conclusion in this form. The lack of communication speaks utter volumes- I would hazard a guess at whats really going behind the scenes is more to do with the companies future and raising extra cash to get it into production. If all was well they would have built another 6 cars by now and be lending them out to the press/ giving deposit holders test drives! But this hasnt happened because they are far from fully funded! With deposit holders dwindling i bet the investors are getting twitchy as to whether they will ever see their investment returned let alone a profit. As the deposits dwindle the situation just implodes. Already we can see plans for a smaller factory which is very telling. Also, some of the positive contributors on here are clearly investors doing their bit. I fear the next major factual announcement will be the end here. The used luxury car market is currently in free fall to make matters worse. And here is the killer- To my knowledge the deposits are not in a safe escrow account! If the announcement comes these deposits will have been spent! So, my final opinions and casting a bit of light to some of you mushrooms out there! Les will be on his new golf course by then so dont worry! Such a huge shame- It would work if they built just a limited production in a low cost small industrial unit/ knew how to treat loyal TVR deposit holders
You have been very candid but aren’t you adding two and two together and coming up with three quarters ? Could it not just be the smaller facilities are to get production underway sooner, as they've realised the big factory won't be ready in time?
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