RE: Smolenski outlines Veyron-beater
Discussion
JR said:
Your own logic defeats you: if the "loss" is 4.2 million per car then if they sell 6x as many they will lose 6x as much.
Try to understand the extremely simple concept of fixed costs and variable costs.
If it costs you £100,000 to tool up for a product and you sell 10 of them then the tooling costs contribute £10,000 to each unit.
Sell 100,000 of them and the tooling costs contribute £1 to each unit.
Edited by JonRB on Tuesday 13th March 19:36
JonRB said:
JR said:
Your own logic defeats you: if the "loss" is 4.2 million per car then if they sell 6x as many they will lose 6x as much.
Try to understand the extremely simple concept of fixed costs and variable costs.
If it costs you £100,000 to tool up for a product and you sell 10 of them then the tooling costs contribute £10,000 to each unit.
Sell 100,000 of them and the tooling costs contribute £1 to each unit.
I always wondered why people made so many of the same thing
My heart goes out to all the real TVR enthusiasts and all the hard working employees that were royally f**cked over the first time by moleskin. I can't belive he is going to add insult to injury and try and do it again with a couple of dodgy yank charvers, who, from what I can gather, are as inept as he is.
The man is obviously certifiably insane.
Given that TVR's problem is profitability I see little point in developing a flagship hypercar to beat the Veyron. History confirms that nobody ever makes any money on these things - Jaguar XJ220? Bugatti Veyron?? Even the McLaren F1 - undeniably the most successful ultracar of them all probably wasn't actually a profitable endeavour for McLaren. They are merely a useful tool for generating publicity for the rest of the marque. This makes some sense if like Ferrari or VW you actually produce other cars to benefit from the reflected glory - sadly TVR don't produce anything at present.
I must confess I'm also somewhat disappointed that there's nothing new here at all on the horizon - no S series or Griffith to turn things around - just the same old Sagaris and Tuscan with the same dubious powerplant that didn't sell in sufficient numbers last time.
Saxon
Given that TVR's problem is profitability I see little point in developing a flagship hypercar to beat the Veyron. History confirms that nobody ever makes any money on these things - Jaguar XJ220? Bugatti Veyron?? Even the McLaren F1 - undeniably the most successful ultracar of them all probably wasn't actually a profitable endeavour for McLaren. They are merely a useful tool for generating publicity for the rest of the marque. This makes some sense if like Ferrari or VW you actually produce other cars to benefit from the reflected glory - sadly TVR don't produce anything at present.
I must confess I'm also somewhat disappointed that there's nothing new here at all on the horizon - no S series or Griffith to turn things around - just the same old Sagaris and Tuscan with the same dubious powerplant that didn't sell in sufficient numbers last time.
Saxon
Is a Veyron beater really that hard to build?
Surely it all depends on NS view of 'beater'. As has been said on here many times, it's easier to build a limited run hyper car than productions runs of quality TVR's at a competitive price.
If he does manage to built a car that beats the Veyron on speed / power, it will be down to the SP12 he inherited. I bet the Veyron doesn't need plugging into the mains to warm the oil with a immersion tank heater element in the oil tank (although hats off to wheeler for a clever solution in the british tradition)
This just another PR stunt. The only PR needed is to see new TVR's rolling out of a british factory.
Surely it all depends on NS view of 'beater'. As has been said on here many times, it's easier to build a limited run hyper car than productions runs of quality TVR's at a competitive price.
If he does manage to built a car that beats the Veyron on speed / power, it will be down to the SP12 he inherited. I bet the Veyron doesn't need plugging into the mains to warm the oil with a immersion tank heater element in the oil tank (although hats off to wheeler for a clever solution in the british tradition)
This just another PR stunt. The only PR needed is to see new TVR's rolling out of a british factory.
Complete and utter BS!
Do you remember just before MG Rover went belly up, how they kept promising new and sexy looking cars?
Of course none of them ever got past the artists impression stage because drawing cars is a lot cheaper and easier than actually building them.
And possibly more profitable!
What it does do is distract peoples attention away from bad news.
If NS tells TVR fans that everything is rosey and tells them what they want to hear then perhaps they will forget what a complete B'stard he has been.
Do you remember just before MG Rover went belly up, how they kept promising new and sexy looking cars?
Of course none of them ever got past the artists impression stage because drawing cars is a lot cheaper and easier than actually building them.
And possibly more profitable!
What it does do is distract peoples attention away from bad news.
If NS tells TVR fans that everything is rosey and tells them what they want to hear then perhaps they will forget what a complete B'stard he has been.
Terminator said:
DJc said:
There is of course the minor point that he doesnt actually *have* a Speed 12 to hand
There's a Sp12 engine in the dyno room at Bristol Avenue; at least, it was there four weeks ago.. 
A full Speed 12? A genuine one? Not one of JR's development jobbies or his variable belt 6/12 cylinder hacks? Id be amazed if Smolenski even knew it was a 12 rather than an 8 or a 6 !
Im even more amazed anybody left it there!
johnbear said:
Is a Veyron beater really that hard to build?
Yes. Veyron is an utterly astonishing technical acheivement.
johnbear said:
I bet the Veyron doesn't need plugging into the mains to warm the oil with a immersion tank heater element in the oil tank (although hats off to wheeler for a clever solution in the british tradition)
That's a variation on an old F1 trick. You warm the engine so that the components expand and the tolerances are correct at start-up.
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