RE: TVR to launch 600bhp supercar
Discussion
the idea of bringing back the old cars with modern V8s is absurd. Even those that say they would buy one wouldn't actually do it.
For starters you can buy a griff or chim for peanuts and have a new V8 put in for a fraction of the cost of the same thing brand new from TVR. If you don't do that now I can't see why you'd do that if TVR made it. For starters Austec are offering a melling designed V8 which can be retro fitted to old TVRs. And a few phers already drive chevy engined TVRs.
If that's really what you want why not get it done?
For starters you can buy a griff or chim for peanuts and have a new V8 put in for a fraction of the cost of the same thing brand new from TVR. If you don't do that now I can't see why you'd do that if TVR made it. For starters Austec are offering a melling designed V8 which can be retro fitted to old TVRs. And a few phers already drive chevy engined TVRs.
If that's really what you want why not get it done?
I suspect that many buyers would prefer to buy newer or even new cars from a dealer.
I know nothing about cars, except which ones I like and enjoy driving.
I'd be nervous of buying an older car, especially if there's no dealer locally, or parts availability.
I still think that the Cerbera is an excellent 2 + 2 and is worthy of being made available to others, like me, who may be concerned about buying a car with an uncertain history or may be looking even for a 'fun' company acar lternative to the generally bland cars available today.
I know nothing about cars, except which ones I like and enjoy driving.
I'd be nervous of buying an older car, especially if there's no dealer locally, or parts availability.
I still think that the Cerbera is an excellent 2 + 2 and is worthy of being made available to others, like me, who may be concerned about buying a car with an uncertain history or may be looking even for a 'fun' company acar lternative to the generally bland cars available today.
Aerofoil said:
Davel said:
A stupid question maybe but:
Why couldn't they re-release something like maybe a Griff or a Cerb but with a smaller engine, as a more-mass produced lower cost alternative, possibly a 2.5 or 3.5 litre type engine? Most of the design work is history and so it shouldn't be too difficult or costly to produce - assuming someone can now produce TVRs.
Volume might then make the Sagaris etc still available higher up the range.
Right now, I don't see many people spending higher prices on a car where the future of the marque is in doubt, unless as a collectors piece.
Why couldn't they re-release something like maybe a Griff or a Cerb but with a smaller engine, as a more-mass produced lower cost alternative, possibly a 2.5 or 3.5 litre type engine? Most of the design work is history and so it shouldn't be too difficult or costly to produce - assuming someone can now produce TVRs.
Volume might then make the Sagaris etc still available higher up the range.
Right now, I don't see many people spending higher prices on a car where the future of the marque is in doubt, unless as a collectors piece.
I don't think people would buy a cerbera for a smaller engine. The car is not the easiest to drive, and without that power, I doubt you would get many putting up with it.
as a two time cerb owner i would suggest that its only difficult to the poor tractability of the engine from low revs, i.e. it likes stalling
bennno
Twincam16 said:
[quote=dubbs]NS - "LA LA LA LA LA I AMZ NOT LISTNINGSKI...."
Precisely.
Oi, Smolenski, check this lot out: www.nobleautomotive.co.uk (may not actually be the right web address).
They have about as much development money as you, and yet they manage to turn a box of Ford bits into a Ferrari-basher that wins handling awards, looks like a Lamborghini and is selling stronger year on year. They've even opened a dealership in Moscow - have you done that?
IMO TVR should have stuck to what they do best and worked with that, rather than going all experimental and burning cash and jobs in the process. I mean, I see TVRs as a sort-of halfway house between a Triumph TR6 and a Maserati. So why try going after Porsche?
There have been some idiotic decisions at TVR of late. They're beginning to lose my respect.
Precisely.
Oi, Smolenski, check this lot out: www.nobleautomotive.co.uk (may not actually be the right web address).
They have about as much development money as you, and yet they manage to turn a box of Ford bits into a Ferrari-basher that wins handling awards, looks like a Lamborghini and is selling stronger year on year. They've even opened a dealership in Moscow - have you done that?
IMO TVR should have stuck to what they do best and worked with that, rather than going all experimental and burning cash and jobs in the process. I mean, I see TVRs as a sort-of halfway house between a Triumph TR6 and a Maserati. So why try going after Porsche?
There have been some idiotic decisions at TVR of late. They're beginning to lose my respect.
Don`t think noble have it right, I have a deposit placed on an M15 and plan to keep my Tuscan II as it is spot on, check out this thread and see how pi**ed off noble owners are www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=324382
But you are all right no way should Smoly even consider trying to compete with Aston bracket cars, of course last year in Le-Mans I saw and drank copius amounts with many pi**ed off Aston owners who are suffering break-down problems. So hey "Welcome to the real world"
Edited by tv05can on Friday 17th November 18:59
bennno said:
Aerofoil said:
Davel said:
A stupid question maybe but:
Why couldn't they re-release something like maybe a Griff or a Cerb but with a smaller engine, as a more-mass produced lower cost alternative, possibly a 2.5 or 3.5 litre type engine? Most of the design work is history and so it shouldn't be too difficult or costly to produce - assuming someone can now produce TVRs.
Volume might then make the Sagaris etc still available higher up the range.
Right now, I don't see many people spending higher prices on a car where the future of the marque is in doubt, unless as a collectors piece.
Why couldn't they re-release something like maybe a Griff or a Cerb but with a smaller engine, as a more-mass produced lower cost alternative, possibly a 2.5 or 3.5 litre type engine? Most of the design work is history and so it shouldn't be too difficult or costly to produce - assuming someone can now produce TVRs.
Volume might then make the Sagaris etc still available higher up the range.
Right now, I don't see many people spending higher prices on a car where the future of the marque is in doubt, unless as a collectors piece.
I don't think people would buy a cerbera for a smaller engine. The car is not the easiest to drive, and without that power, I doubt you would get many putting up with it.
as a two time cerb owner i would suggest that its only difficult to the poor tractability of the engine from low revs, i.e. it likes stalling
bennno
There are not many women I know that would be happy driving a cerbera, my wife wasn't, and to be fair, I doubt many men would to. The cabin in cramped and visibility isn't brilliant. I loved it and plan on buying another one day, but to sell in volume they need to appeal to everyone, not just people who love TVR.
busta said:
Lets not forget that TVR are also planning a new Cerbera to compete at le mans. Hopefully if all goes well the Typhoon will be the Halo model people keep talking about, being at Le Mans will raise awareness of the brand and the Cerbera should appeal to the needs of those in the 40-50k sector, assuming the prices are roughly in line with the old cerbie. Then they just need a Tamora type car for the 25-35K market and they should be back on their feet.
I agree it will be one for the record if any of TVRs plans materialize but I till hope they do. If TVR can get back on their feet again now then there should be something decent in 5 years when I'll be in the market to buy one.
Call me naive but my fingers are crossed.
Busta
I agree it will be one for the record if any of TVRs plans materialize but I till hope they do. If TVR can get back on their feet again now then there should be something decent in 5 years when I'll be in the market to buy one.
Call me naive but my fingers are crossed.
Busta
Everytime I saw a TVR compete at Le Mans it never made it past the first hour of the race! Hardly a positive impression.
Who is going to get parts for broken superchargers! who is going to cover and validate the warranty on a 120k car?. They will still leak water, they will go still go out of tune within two months, they will still get flat batteries if not driven for two weeks, the alignment will still 'creep out of spec' well within service time, due to the primative securing method!!!, are they taking the pi$$?.
midnightDriver said:
Why is it when TVR are being discussed theres always one person who has to bring up the topic of a chevy V8...wots the deal with that??!...u wanna chevyV8 wrapped in fibreglass go buy a friggin corvette!!
or if you want a landrover v8 wrapped in plastic and reliability issues go buy a tvr? Is that what you are saying?
Sure they havent used the rv8 for some time but their own speed6 is hardly reliable is it? The reason people say about TVR using the small block is simple. It works, it has huge potential and is very very strong and reliable. Its a proven engine the world over, bit like the old rover v8, and despite it not being a tvr engine it is still in keeping with TVR tradition of outsourcing its engines.
That is why people suggest it.
franv8 said:
busta said:
Lets not forget that TVR are also planning a new Cerbera to compete at le mans. Hopefully if all goes well the Typhoon will be the Halo model people keep talking about, being at Le Mans will raise awareness of the brand and the Cerbera should appeal to the needs of those in the 40-50k sector, assuming the prices are roughly in line with the old cerbie. Then they just need a Tamora type car for the 25-35K market and they should be back on their feet.
I agree it will be one for the record if any of TVRs plans materialize but I till hope they do. If TVR can get back on their feet again now then there should be something decent in 5 years when I'll be in the market to buy one.
Call me naive but my fingers are crossed.
Busta
I agree it will be one for the record if any of TVRs plans materialize but I till hope they do. If TVR can get back on their feet again now then there should be something decent in 5 years when I'll be in the market to buy one.
Call me naive but my fingers are crossed.
Busta
Everytime I saw a TVR compete at Le Mans it never made it past the first hour of the race! Hardly a positive impression.
I was there two years ago and saw them complete !! Lets congratulate when we can
here here !!!!Good luck for the future TVR ,for me tvr got it write with the cerbera yes it is difficult to drive yes it as poor vision but it looks like a genuine supercar and has the performance to match and no real supercar is easy to drive, for just over 40k they should have been the making of TVR what with them desroying all it competitors on an airfield on topgear plus their top speed was not inflated either i got arrested in my 4.5 rr 173.96 mph on the m6 toll 2 yrs ago. Then came the probem the speed 6 engine failure after failure along with bad build quality in general and bad news travels FAST however my friends at power tell the problems with the 6 engine was down to cheap components and the 03 car onwards just dont suffer at all and are super reliable which i hope is true as i have a t350 05 plate which for me i a great entry model tvr but doesnt cut it like the cerbera not for me anyway TVR just need to kick start there image not sure a 120k supercar is the answer maybe a 60k supercar with super relibility why carbon ? consentrate on getting what they have write instead of moving into new fields and stop bullshiting people the sag and new tuscan are almost good cars they need a pr injection where ever there to be built and less of the bollox !!!!
GOOD LUCK TVR a happy customer
GOOD LUCK TVR a happy customer
bennno said:
as a two time cerb owner i would suggest that its only difficult to the poor tractability of the engine from low revs, i.e. it likes stalling
bennno
Now much less of a problem with several specialists able to remap them to make low revs massively smooth, you wouldnt believe the difference they can make, I've driven both unmapped and mapped cars and im still seriously baffled as to how it can make such a difference.
The 380 brake Sagaris is a fairly easy car to drive . . . for a two-wheel drive.
Almost double the power and keep the same weight will undoubltly result in a car for the real masters only.
The Cerb is / was. An they have (RR) about 400 from a V8.
Folks who want the RV8 back, or long for a Griff type of TVR: there's nuff to choose from, for sensible money. Mind you can pick up a reasonable wedge for a tenner and still embarrass all the porker you'll meet.
The article mentions there are orders written down for this future-car already. It would be very brave if they let themselves known. There were so many Sag orders cancelled. And THAT one was a car already in production. WhereTF is the credibility of this Blackpool firm?
I just don't believe the story. Just gather and write down all the announced stuff of this year only: and you'll find less than 10% was true.
If I had a 120k - and some spare to run and maintain the thingy - I'd have meself a limegreen Murci with a few stonechips on.
Almost double the power and keep the same weight will undoubltly result in a car for the real masters only.
The Cerb is / was. An they have (RR) about 400 from a V8.
Folks who want the RV8 back, or long for a Griff type of TVR: there's nuff to choose from, for sensible money. Mind you can pick up a reasonable wedge for a tenner and still embarrass all the porker you'll meet.
The article mentions there are orders written down for this future-car already. It would be very brave if they let themselves known. There were so many Sag orders cancelled. And THAT one was a car already in production. WhereTF is the credibility of this Blackpool firm?
I just don't believe the story. Just gather and write down all the announced stuff of this year only: and you'll find less than 10% was true.
If I had a 120k - and some spare to run and maintain the thingy - I'd have meself a limegreen Murci with a few stonechips on.
franv8 said:
Everytime I saw a TVR compete at Le Mans it never made it past the first hour of the race! Hardly a positive impression.
remind me exactly which year the tvr entry didnt make it past the first hour... apart from the very first time in the 50's of the 3 modern era time they have been there they made it well past the hour. ok in the firt year with the dewalt cars the both failed before the end and one of them was due to an accident the other a failed prop shaft. the year of the purple monsters they both finished and the following year the peninsula car also finished. if the lnt cars had gone i'd have expected a good result an possibly a win as they got at spa..
credit where credits due..
the pits said:
the idea of bringing back the old cars with modern V8s is absurd. Even those that say they would buy one wouldn't actually do it.
Well I would for one, I was intending buying a Tuscan this year and having an LS6 dropped in it. Unfortunetely the engine went pop in my Griff which put paid to that plan for this year but next year if nothing is forthcoming from TVR i will be doing it.
gazzab said:
midnightDriver said:
Why is it when TVR are being discussed theres always one person who has to bring up the topic of a chevy V8...wots the deal with that??!...u wanna chevyV8 wrapped in fibreglass go buy a friggin corvette!!
If you have to ask then maybe you dont get it........?
Yeh ur right i dont get it......im sure sum one is gonna point out that the Chevy V8 is relativly cheap, reliable, has loadsa grunt etc, but tvrs competitors (marcos, corvette) also have same engine,In my book TVRs have to have something (apart from the styling)to differentiate them from the competition. Cos on paper they are simular concepts,...think about it..chev V8,front engined,rear wheeled drived GTs.
The Speed 6 gives TVR its unique character, in the same way porsches flat 6 defines a 911s individuality. It would sacreligious to consider any other engine in a 911. Ok it could be argued that there would be no need for porsche to out source its engine,as its reliable enuff, but thats not the point of my argument,my point was that you buy TVRs cos they are different, an alternative from the other cars on the market,kinda its reminds me of when coke-a-cola tried to change its original recipe jus cos tests showed pepsi tasted better,to me theres no point aping the competition, variety is the spice.
Edited by midnightDriver on Saturday 18th November 21:06
sidewayz said:
Well go and invade somewhare else then dear Vetking.
By the way your canoe smells of glue.
By the way your canoe smells of glue.
Edited by sidewayz on Thursday 16th November 22:56
I'm not going to get involved in a Corvette vs TVR discussion on this (orders of Sciencebird), but just to comment on the glue issue, GM have been pressure moulding the fibreglass components of the Corvette for a very long time, so if you look at at a Corvette's shell, certainly after 1984, then you'll note there is no visible fibreglass like you'd see on the inside of canoes etc., and there is certainly no smell of glue either.
As for the forum invasion, apologies if this offends, I'm not one to come here and say my car is/isn't better than anyone elses, there's already an overdose of that on PH anyway at the moment.
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