New TVR still under wraps!
Discussion
Zippee said:
From what I remember deposits weren’t being protected in any sort of ESCROW account, people were told if they wanted protection to place the deposit on a credit card. Hence, if the company doesn’t deliver then deposit holders will be last of the line to be paid out.
I suspect that is the answer that Ikobo above didn't like and his reason for going elsewhere with his cash.bad company said:
I still don't understand the fuss about this car. Surely it has nothing to with the TVR we all loved? What we have is a car designed & build by a new and untested company who paid some money to be able to badge their product as TVR.
Forgive my ignorance, but isn't this similar to what has happened in the past anyway? TVR has been through financial difficulty and liquidation more than once, each time it's been bought out and restructured, the design of the cars has changed quite significantly each time too, though still following a similar DNA.V8 GRF said:
I suspect that is the answer that Ikobo above didn't like and his reason for going elsewhere with his cash.
That was certainly a part of it. I had also sent a few emails to them with queries regarding how you were allocated a build space etc, as I had mulled it over for quite a few days before contacting to make the commitment of placing a deposit, they never bothered to reply to a single question. So I thought stuff it, if this is going to be the standard of your customer service I'll pass.smithyithy said:
Are TVR feeding them these new renders or are they mocking them up themselves?
Edit: I'll pop in Smiths at lunch and see if they've got this issue in.
Guess we have to keep waiting for some real pictures or spy shots from on road testing.
Been reading up on the source Coyote engine again as I'm getting bored waiting for any news on how Cosworth are doing with it.
You can buy a high compression crate Aluminator version from Ford Racing for around £10k with 500hp strong enough for 8500rpm. That has forged H rods, Mahle pistons and lots more. You can also buy a slightly lower tuned one with 435hp for £7k. bogo ones with 415hp are £5k. They even do one with low compression if you want to fit your own forced induction....
Be interesting to know what Cosworth have done or are doing with it, come on someone say something.....
You can buy a high compression crate Aluminator version from Ford Racing for around £10k with 500hp strong enough for 8500rpm. That has forged H rods, Mahle pistons and lots more. You can also buy a slightly lower tuned one with 435hp for £7k. bogo ones with 415hp are £5k. They even do one with low compression if you want to fit your own forced induction....
Be interesting to know what Cosworth have done or are doing with it, come on someone say something.....
Ikobo said:
V8 GRF said:
I suspect that is the answer that Ikobo above didn't like and his reason for going elsewhere with his cash.
That was certainly a part of it. I had also sent a few emails to them with queries regarding how you were allocated a build space etc, as I had mulled it over for quite a few days before contacting to make the commitment of placing a deposit, they never bothered to reply to a single question. So I thought stuff it, if this is going to be the standard of your customer service I'll pass.Pet hate of mine when organisations don't respond to the mail drop they give you, poor form and enough for me to not normally deal with them too.
I've noticed that the website is slow to update with news and events, I don't know who is I charge with keeping it up to date, but they need a kick up the arse imho.
HarryW said:
Been reading up on the source Coyote engine again as I'm getting bored waiting for any news on how Cosworth are doing with it.
You can buy a high compression crate Aluminator version from Ford Racing for around £10k with 500hp strong enough for 8500rpm. That has forged H rods, Mahle pistons and lots more. You can also buy a slightly lower tuned one with 435hp for £7k. bogo ones with 415hp are £5k. They even do one with low compression if you want to fit your own forced induction....
Be interesting to know what Cosworth have done or are doing with it, come on someone say something.....
Begs the question why invest in cosworth when you can buy something off the shelf that's had a significantly higher development budget. You can buy a high compression crate Aluminator version from Ford Racing for around £10k with 500hp strong enough for 8500rpm. That has forged H rods, Mahle pistons and lots more. You can also buy a slightly lower tuned one with 435hp for £7k. bogo ones with 415hp are £5k. They even do one with low compression if you want to fit your own forced induction....
Be interesting to know what Cosworth have done or are doing with it, come on someone say something.....
m4tti said:
Begs the question why invest in cosworth when you can buy something off the shelf that's had a significantly higher development budget.
No doubt they could buy something off the self which would be cheaper and more powerful but it is all about marketing. This way instead of saying it has a Ford engine they can say it has a Cosworth engine. I know which one has the betting ring to it.Matthew Poxon said:
No doubt they could buy something off the self which would be cheaper and more powerful but it is all about marketing. This way instead of saying it has a Ford engine they can say it has a Cosworth engine. I know which one has the betting ring to it.
I get that... But not when your running on a shoe string. A tie up with ford racing may have even been better with the new ford GT in endurance cars. m4tti said:
Matthew Poxon said:
No doubt they could buy something off the self which would be cheaper and more powerful but it is all about marketing. This way instead of saying it has a Ford engine they can say it has a Cosworth engine. I know which one has the betting ring to it.
I get that... But not when your running on a shoe string. A tie up with ford racing may have even been better with the new ford GT in endurance cars. They might not get a substantially more out of it but if that includes lighter flywheel, dry sump, wilder cam timing or even greater timing range, lots of pops and bangs etc then they can call it a Cosworth developed engine, everyone will be happy. Gong that route will ensure it has at least 500hp and rev safely to 8500rpm.
Ford Racing offer a 24m or 20,000 warranty with their high power output engines which I think is good. Given the 1000's of man hours they've spent developing it I like the idea of Cosworth evolving it further, they could even sell it back to Ford if they find something the their Racing department missed too.
HarryW said:
m4tti said:
Matthew Poxon said:
No doubt they could buy something off the self which would be cheaper and more powerful but it is all about marketing. This way instead of saying it has a Ford engine they can say it has a Cosworth engine. I know which one has the betting ring to it.
I get that... But not when your running on a shoe string. A tie up with ford racing may have even been better with the new ford GT in endurance cars. They might not get a substantially more out of it but if that includes lighter flywheel, dry sump, wilder cam timing or even greater timing range, lots of pops and bangs etc then they can call it a Cosworth developed engine, everyone will be happy. Gong that route will ensure it has at least 500hp and rev safely to 8500rpm.
Ford Racing offer a 24m or 20,000 warranty with their high power output engines which I think is good. Given the 1000's of man hours they've spent developing it I like the idea of Cosworth evolving it further, they could even sell it back to Ford if they find something the their Racing department missed too.
That worked OK.
m4tti said:
Matthew Poxon said:
No doubt they could buy something off the self which would be cheaper and more powerful but it is all about marketing. This way instead of saying it has a Ford engine they can say it has a Cosworth engine. I know which one has the betting ring to it.
I get that... But not when your running on a shoe string. A tie up with ford racing may have even been better with the new ford GT in endurance cars. £80k+ for something powered by the same engine found in the £30k Mustang and a pick up truck? Or an engine from one of the most legendary British firms with serious F1 and racing pedigree?
20 years ago people turned their nose up at the Rover unit in mere £25k dragon slayers. I'd hazard that at £80k+ the right badge on the engine is the most vital ingredient after getting the body shape to look £100k+
DonkeyApple said:
I don't think so. At the expected price bracket they wouldn't be selling anything with a Ford badge on it. It does need the overlay of a brand like Cosworth to get over the crate engine stigma.
£80k+ for something powered by the same engine found in the £30k Mustang and a pick up truck? Or an engine from one of the most legendary British firms with serious F1 and racing pedigree?
20 years ago people turned their nose up at the Rover unit in mere £25k dragon slayers. I'd hazard that at £80k+ the right badge on the engine is the most vital ingredient after getting the body shape to look £100k+
Plllllllease... DA I'm disappointed in you.. to make suggestions that the cosworth brand will differentiate this in some way. Unless your a formula 1 historian you'll remember cosworth as predominantly being an escort, or a sapphire. Most recently before the Renaissance driven by folk that wear caps backwards in shiny bomber jackets. £80k+ for something powered by the same engine found in the £30k Mustang and a pick up truck? Or an engine from one of the most legendary British firms with serious F1 and racing pedigree?
20 years ago people turned their nose up at the Rover unit in mere £25k dragon slayers. I'd hazard that at £80k+ the right badge on the engine is the most vital ingredient after getting the body shape to look £100k+
So not the holy grail of positioning over ford racing in any way..
m4tti said:
DonkeyApple said:
I don't think so. At the expected price bracket they wouldn't be selling anything with a Ford badge on it. It does need the overlay of a brand like Cosworth to get over the crate engine stigma.
£80k+ for something powered by the same engine found in the £30k Mustang and a pick up truck? Or an engine from one of the most legendary British firms with serious F1 and racing pedigree?
20 years ago people turned their nose up at the Rover unit in mere £25k dragon slayers. I'd hazard that at £80k+ the right badge on the engine is the most vital ingredient after getting the body shape to look £100k+
Plllllllease... DA I'm disappointed in you.. to make suggestions that the cosworth brand will differentiate this in some way. Unless your a formula 1 historian you'll remember cosworth as predominantly being an escort, or a sapphire. Most recently before the Renaissance driven by folk that wear caps backwards in shiny bomber jackets. £80k+ for something powered by the same engine found in the £30k Mustang and a pick up truck? Or an engine from one of the most legendary British firms with serious F1 and racing pedigree?
20 years ago people turned their nose up at the Rover unit in mere £25k dragon slayers. I'd hazard that at £80k+ the right badge on the engine is the most vital ingredient after getting the body shape to look £100k+
So not the holy grail of positioning over ford racing in any way..
smithyithy said:
bad company said:
I still don't understand the fuss about this car. Surely it has nothing to with the TVR we all loved? What we have is a car designed & build by a new and untested company who paid some money to be able to badge their product as TVR.
Forgive my ignorance, but isn't this similar to what has happened in the past anyway? TVR has been through financial difficulty and liquidation more than once, each time it's been bought out and restructured, the design of the cars has changed quite significantly each time too, though still following a similar DNA.
HarryW said:
m4tti said:
DonkeyApple said:
I don't think so. At the expected price bracket they wouldn't be selling anything with a Ford badge on it. It does need the overlay of a brand like Cosworth to get over the crate engine stigma.
£80k+ for something powered by the same engine found in the £30k Mustang and a pick up truck? Or an engine from one of the most legendary British firms with serious F1 and racing pedigree?
20 years ago people turned their nose up at the Rover unit in mere £25k dragon slayers. I'd hazard that at £80k+ the right badge on the engine is the most vital ingredient after getting the body shape to look £100k+
Plllllllease... DA I'm disappointed in you.. to make suggestions that the cosworth brand will differentiate this in some way. Unless your a formula 1 historian you'll remember cosworth as predominantly being an escort, or a sapphire. Most recently before the Renaissance driven by folk that wear caps backwards in shiny bomber jackets. £80k+ for something powered by the same engine found in the £30k Mustang and a pick up truck? Or an engine from one of the most legendary British firms with serious F1 and racing pedigree?
20 years ago people turned their nose up at the Rover unit in mere £25k dragon slayers. I'd hazard that at £80k+ the right badge on the engine is the most vital ingredient after getting the body shape to look £100k+
So not the holy grail of positioning over ford racing in any way..
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