TVR's and the London ULEZ Charge

[Jeff J]

I've checked this out, with a private plate a charge would be due, with the original plate, no charge, 2006 Tuscan

[black11s]

I'm going through the whole ULEZ thing now.
I also have an old 2003 Z4 which was non compliant. However....
The law is that the car must produce less than 0.8mg/km of NOx (not 0.08 as stated earlier in the thread).

The 3.0L Z4 is 0.2mg/km for comparison.
I emailed BMW for a Certificate of Conformity (or CoC as James May would probably call it) and received one, free of charge the next day.
I then uploaded this plus all 4 pages of the V5 (has to be all 4, despite there being no information on the last 2🙄) and within about a day my car is now registered as compliant on the ULEZ checker.

Now, I just need a CoC for the T350 - which as a 2005 car should have been fine anyway... TVR are offering them on their web site, but want to charge £250+VAT which is a pi55 take imo.

[LucyP]

But how else are you going to get one?

I doubt that you can book an appointment with Mr. Khan and explain that your car manufacturer went bust shortly after your car was made. Years later an unrelated start-up bought out at least the rights to use the name, and maybe other things, and for £250 plus vat apparently will look up the information on old TVR's shambolic record keeping system, which might bear no relation to the reality, given that they fitted cars with whatever parts were lying around what they told the DVLA have recorded wasn't always accurate either, so could you just save the money and produce the same certificate yourself, because it's no less valid really?

And at £12.50 a day, if you drive in London regularly you will soon have your money back.

You can't really blame current TVR for charging. BMW made money from the sale of your car and will still be making money from the sale of parts for it, from time to time, at least. What have current TVR made from your car?

[Viper201]

Current TVR have only themselves to blame. They set up TVR Parts Ltd in Dec 2020 and still a dormant company so current owners wont be getting their spares from new TVR.

This is a perfect way to alienate the new company from loyal owners. How hard is it to photocopy some old document and post it to a current owner gratis?
A little bit of goodwill after all the missed promises would not go amiss.

[LucyP]

It's their only income stream though isn't it, so they would be foolish not to use it.

[2gins]

Just pay it and enjoy sticking 2 fingers up at our dear leader, safe in the knowledge it's paid for itself inside 12 months.

[bad company]

I’ve owned my 2002 Chim 500 from new, it’s always been on a private plate. Shows as non compliant which is really annoying though not surprised.

[hxc_]

black11s said:

I'm going through the whole ULEZ thing now.
I also have an old 2003 Z4 which was non compliant. However....
The law is that the car must produce less than 0.8mg/km of NOx (not 0.08 as stated earlier in the thread).

The 3.0L Z4 is 0.2mg/km for comparison.
I emailed BMW for a Certificate of Conformity (or CoC as James May would probably call it) and received one, free of charge the next day.
I then uploaded this plus all 4 pages of the V5 (has to be all 4, despite there being no information on the last 2??) and within about a day my car is now registered as compliant on the ULEZ checker.

Now, I just need a CoC for the T350 - which as a 2005 car should have been fine anyway... TVR are offering them on their web site, but want to charge £250+VAT which is a pi55 take imo.

What's the deal with your Z4 being non compliant? My 03 plate Z4 3.0 is fine without any sort of CoC (it's a runabout after my Tuscan went up in flames)

[bad company]

Has anyone here successfully got a COC from TVR? I’d like one but I could send them £250 and still be non compliant. I looked here:-

https://www.tvr.co.uk/docs/default-source/default-...

[TwinKam]

Jeff J said:

I've checked this out, with a private plate a charge would be due, with the original plate, no charge, 2006 Tuscan

Is that not simply because the 'original' plate is now on a different (and ULEZ compliant) car?

[LLantrisant]

small volume car manufacturers like TVR, Lotus, Morgan, Kitcar Manufacturers like Caterham, Westfield, Ginetta etc. were exempt from those strict EU Emission classifications, as UK played a special role inside the EU (national law over Eu law...protection of the domestic industry etc)

interesting is that now, UK meanwhile a non-EU Member, is becommng more strict for those rules than the EU itselves.
was this the aim to leave the EU?


by the way: there is not one TVR engine ever made / designed which complies to Euro4 emission standards...fact!!!

[bad company]

LLantrisant said:

by the way: there is not one TVR engine ever made / designed which complies to Euro4 emission standards...fact!!!

2006, mark 3 Tuscan:-

Edited by bad company on Saturday 4th November 10:44

[hxc_]

I don't believe any of the engines are actually compliant - I think they are registered wrong, so I don't think a CoC will get you anywhere. You will find random Speed Six cars between about 2002 and 2006 show as compliant while others don't.

[bad company]

hxc_ said:

I don't believe any of the engines are actually compliant - I think they are registered wrong, so I don't think a CoC will get you anywhere. You will find random Speed Six cars between about 2002 and 2006 show as compliant while others don't.

I reckon you’re probably right. I was thinking of changing my Chim 500 for a ‘compliant’ Tuscan. Trouble is once I put my private plate on it may no longer be compliant. All a bit of a mess.

[LLantrisant]

bad company said:

2006, mark 3 Tuscan:-

Edited by bad company on Saturday 4th November 10:44

you are lucky that you got such a certificate.....checking the mk3 tuscans advertized actually at PH: most look to meet the ULEZ emissions standards, but as said: the engine is not complying to Euro4 ....

Edited by LLantrisant on Saturday 4th November 14:01

[bad company]

LLantrisant said:

bad company said:

2006, mark 3 Tuscan:-

Edited by bad company on Saturday 4th November 10:44

you are lucky that you got such a certificate.....checking the mk3 tuscans advertized actually at PH: most look to meet the ULEZ emissions standards, but as said: the engine is not complying to Euro4 ....

Edited by LLantrisant on Saturday 4th November 14:01

Sadly it’s not my car though it is for sale on PH. I’d be tempted but reckon when I changed to my private plate it might become non compliant.

[Byker28i]

I know the last time I drove the Cerbera into that London it cost me £27,50...

[s3dave]

MonkeyJez said:

Just checked my 2006 registered Sag on the TfL website and it's states there is no ULEZ charge due. Just lucky I guess!

Same here, i'm except. There was another thread a few months ago on this, if i remember rightly it was pot luck how TVR registered the car on build, hence some T cars are and some not.

[Jon39]

Even when it is the same engine, there can be differences to meet changing regulations.

One example that comes to mind was when small catalytic converters were required in the manifolds (about 2010 I think).
They obviously begin to operate sooner, because of heating up shortly after engine start.
Same engine but a small change that may not even be easily seen.

Not directly related to ULEZ, but an example of the same engine being different, when considering regulations.

[PrinceRupert]

LLantrisant said:

bad company said:

2006, mark 3 Tuscan:-

Edited by bad company on Saturday 4th November 10:44

you are lucky that you got such a certificate.....checking the mk3 tuscans advertized actually at PH: most look to meet the ULEZ emissions standards, but as said: the engine is not complying to Euro4 ....

Edited by LLantrisant on Saturday 4th November 14:01

You don't need to be EURO4 to be ULEZ compliant; you only need to meet the EURO4 NOX requirements.

For example, my old 2.5 KV6 75 was EURO3, but compliant.

I'm not sure what this means for TVR's - I thought the problem was they weren't tested for emissions as a low volume manufacturer?