TVR Bashing on blatchat.com!!!
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Don`t get Westie till next month
Just boring 2ltr
Edited by angrybeats on Wednesday 17th October 18:16
Don`t get Westie till next month
Just boring 2ltr
Edited by angrybeats on Wednesday 17th October 18:16
It will kick every car's ass?
I think the original poster is performing an activity called "trolling"
My quote was taken out of context in a separate discussion regarding the merits of a Top Gear article on R500 vs. new GT2.
As is normal a whole bunch of children comfortably esconsed miles away from each other start name-calling and swearing, on this forum and indeed on blatchat. Behaviour you'd hardly see face to face, because they're all cowards and know it'd rapidly descend into a punch on the nose if they tried it in real life.
So, be nice. Humour is one thing. Blatant agression another.
In point of fact, the "wait for TVR to break down" quote is accurate; twice I've been stuck behind a Chimp waiting to get by, carying more speed through corners and under braking, but unable to out-accelerate it on the straight because it is, after all, more powerful and lighter. Which is annoying on twisty circuits. But in both cases the Chimp concerned has died whilst in front of me, in one case spectacularly dumping engine oil all over the front of my RS. Also annoying as I had to clean it all off.
Personally I admire TVRs, especially the Tuscan. The styling, performance, individuality and sheer arrogance of the cars has to be respected. But I wouldn't buy one myself.
My quote was taken out of context in a separate discussion regarding the merits of a Top Gear article on R500 vs. new GT2.
As is normal a whole bunch of children comfortably esconsed miles away from each other start name-calling and swearing, on this forum and indeed on blatchat. Behaviour you'd hardly see face to face, because they're all cowards and know it'd rapidly descend into a punch on the nose if they tried it in real life.
So, be nice. Humour is one thing. Blatant agression another.
In point of fact, the "wait for TVR to break down" quote is accurate; twice I've been stuck behind a Chimp waiting to get by, carying more speed through corners and under braking, but unable to out-accelerate it on the straight because it is, after all, more powerful and lighter. Which is annoying on twisty circuits. But in both cases the Chimp concerned has died whilst in front of me, in one case spectacularly dumping engine oil all over the front of my RS. Also annoying as I had to clean it all off.
Personally I admire TVRs, especially the Tuscan. The styling, performance, individuality and sheer arrogance of the cars has to be respected. But I wouldn't buy one myself.
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I think the original poster is performing an activity called "trolling"
My quote was taken out of context in a separate discussion regarding the merits of a Top Gear article on R500 vs. new GT2.
As is normal a whole bunch of children comfortably esconsed miles away from each other start name-calling and swearing, on this forum and indeed on blatchat. Behaviour you'd hardly see face to face, because they're all cowards and know it'd rapidly descend into a punch on the nose if they tried it in real life.
So, be nice. Humour is one thing. Blatant agression another.
In point of fact, the "wait for TVR to break down" quote is accurate; twice I've been stuck behind a Chimp waiting to get by, carying more speed through corners and under braking, but unable to out-accelerate it on the straight because it is, after all, more powerful and lighter. Which is annoying on twisty circuits. But in both cases the Chimp concerned has died whilst in front of me, in one case spectacularly dumping engine oil all over the front of my RS. Also annoying as I had to clean it all off.
Personally I admire TVRs, especially the Tuscan. The styling, performance, individuality and sheer arrogance of the cars has to be respected. But I wouldn't buy one myself.
What a complete load of rubbish, if you hadn't posted your post in the first place this thread wouldn't exist. And you've got the nerve to say we're being agressive, I'd take stock my friend.
Aggressive as in "IMHO he's a complete ****" and "another w*nker in a Porsche" aggressive.
That's what I mean.
Apologies, I made a mistake. I understood a Chimp was a Cerbera, when in fact it's a Chimera. Those cars that broke down/exploded in front of me, were Cerberas not Chimeras.
Edited by peter_964rs on Thursday 18th October 14:56
That's what I mean.
Apologies, I made a mistake. I understood a Chimp was a Cerbera, when in fact it's a Chimera. Those cars that broke down/exploded in front of me, were Cerberas not Chimeras.
Edited by peter_964rs on Thursday 18th October 14:56
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Aggressive as in "IMHO he's a complete ****" and "another w*nker in a Porsche" aggressive.
That's what I mean.
Apologies, I made a mistake. I understood a Chimp was a Cerbera, when in fact it's a Chimera. Those cars that broke down/exploded in front of me, were Cerberas not Chimeras.
Edited by peter_964rs on Thursday 18th October 14:56
Its spelt Chimaera, not Chimera. At least get that right.
I've just read back over this entire thread to get an idea of what is going on.
Chimpboy - don't you think its a bit of a sweeping generalisation to dismiss the entire Porsche range as "crap"?
I for one am not the least bit surprised that the 964RS was stronger on the corners and under braking than a Cerbera, nor am I surprised that the Cerbie pulled away on the straights.
We all love our cars, but lets not be blind to the relative merits of other vehicles.
And don't forget that the Carrera was an enthusiast's car before it was a poseur's car, and there are some enthusiasts still out there.
Regards
Jon
PS. Before you instantly dismiss me as partisan, I own a Chimaera and don't own a Porsche, although I guess I should admit that my father owned a 964 C4 about 5 or 6 years ago.
Chimpboy - don't you think its a bit of a sweeping generalisation to dismiss the entire Porsche range as "crap"?
I for one am not the least bit surprised that the 964RS was stronger on the corners and under braking than a Cerbera, nor am I surprised that the Cerbie pulled away on the straights.
We all love our cars, but lets not be blind to the relative merits of other vehicles.
And don't forget that the Carrera was an enthusiast's car before it was a poseur's car, and there are some enthusiasts still out there.
Regards
Jon
PS. Before you instantly dismiss me as partisan, I own a Chimaera and don't own a Porsche, although I guess I should admit that my father owned a 964 C4 about 5 or 6 years ago.
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Chimpboy - don't you think its a bit of a sweeping generalisation to dismiss the entire Porsche range as "crap"?
I didn't. Are you referring to:
"They might be lighter and slightly more powerful than the standard Carrera's but its all relative, they are shite to start with."
This clearly states an opinion on the standard Carrera. I have an opinion that the standard C2 and C4 coupe's in any of the 911 evolutions are under powered and too heavy. I would also include Boxsters in this too, even the S.
I personally would love a Turbo, GT3 or GT2 from the current 996 range.
Hope that clears it up.
While we are on the subject of generalisation, don't you think Peter's sweeping statements on TVR's fall into this bracket?
Chimpboy, are you really a primate? You have done very well to learn words like 'shite', haven't you? C2s and C4s are hardly shite to start with are they, let's face it. In a Porsche and TVR discussion, you appear to be standing in a greenhouse, hurling stones. Does someone actually pay you enough that you can afford a TVR, or are you a lotto winner? If you are in the former bracket, you must be fairly bright; so try showing it. If you're one of the latter: well done.
I realise I've asked one or two questions, but don't panic! Some of them are rhetorical.
I realise I've asked one or two questions, but don't panic! Some of them are rhetorical.
Trying to keep this thread on an even keel...
Chimpboy says:
"I have an opinion that the standard C2 and C4 coupe's in any of the 911 evolutions are under powered and too heavy. I would also include Boxsters in this too, even the S."
An interesting point, and probably the real point of difference between TVR and Porsche.
Porsches are heavier because, IMHO, they are constructed to almost 'over-engineered' standards, with a lot of crash protection, body stiffening, heavy creature comforts etc. Now, TVRs may have some of these, too, but I would argue that at 1300 kgs, the 996 Porsche is of average sportscar weight (check out an Elise and Diablo at each end) and the weight it does have has been 'spent' wisely.
And are they really underpowered? The 996 C2 was basically as quick as my Lotus Carlton when I naughtily raced one through the gears, and the LC is no slouch. Even the old 3.2 Carrera is a sprightly perfomer for 232 bhp (0-60 in 5.5 secs, 155 top whack).
I have to admit I am not the world's biggest Boxster fan, but I do respect them for what they are. And that 'low power' equates to high reliability. If Porsche wanted a higher output and lower longevity, they could make an engine so. They just choose not to do so. Remember, these are the guys that put over a 1000bhp through flat 12s at Le Mans. Cost and reliability limit Porsche power. It's that simple.
I took Chimpboy's comments about 'Porsches being cr@p to begin with' along the lines of the 996/993/964 being an evolution of a fundamentally duff design, which I admit the rear engined 911 probably was - at birth.
But it has now evolved into a truly effective, and extremely capable sportscar, with technology and engineering winning the battle against physics.
So it may be flawed - but it's a flawed gem!
Just to add a different slant on this thread although Porsche/TVR related.
I was in a traffic queue the other day in my Chimaera watching the bikers weave in and out when this huge Ducati pulled up next to me. The guy motions for me to put the window down and asks if I like my car. We crawled along for a while discussing the merits of Boxsters/TVR's (he also has a Boxster S)
and he told me basically his 'S' was strong, pretty and reliable but nowhere near the low down grunt of the TVR to cut a long story short his parting words were 'Look out for me in a TVR soon'.
My point? What is all the point of this slagging each others cars off? We buy them for all different reasons can't we just respect that? And after all who is going to turn round and say 'I've got a XXX but I have to say your YYY is much better' - no one.
I'll get me coat, I'm off to the playground for some grown up talk.
I was in a traffic queue the other day in my Chimaera watching the bikers weave in and out when this huge Ducati pulled up next to me. The guy motions for me to put the window down and asks if I like my car. We crawled along for a while discussing the merits of Boxsters/TVR's (he also has a Boxster S)
and he told me basically his 'S' was strong, pretty and reliable but nowhere near the low down grunt of the TVR to cut a long story short his parting words were 'Look out for me in a TVR soon'.
My point? What is all the point of this slagging each others cars off? We buy them for all different reasons can't we just respect that? And after all who is going to turn round and say 'I've got a XXX but I have to say your YYY is much better' - no one.
I'll get me coat, I'm off to the playground for some grown up talk.
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Just to add a different slant on this thread although Porsche/TVR related.
I was in a traffic queue the other day in my Chimaera watching the bikers weave in and out when this huge Ducati pulled up next to me. The guy motions for me to put the window down and asks if I like my car. We crawled along for a while discussing the merits of Boxsters/TVR's (he also has a Boxster S)
and he told me basically his 'S' was strong, pretty and reliable but nowhere near the low down grunt of the TVR to cut a long story short his parting words were 'Look out for me in a TVR soon'.
My point? What is all the point of this slagging each others cars off? We buy them for all different reasons can't we just respect that? And after all who is going to turn round and say 'I've got a XXX but I have to say your YYY is much better' - no one.
I'll get me coat, I'm off to the playground for some grown up talk.
Amen to that!
If I'm honest I do get annoyed by the 'TVR's are unreliable, always breaking down' attitude from owners of other performance cars.
However I do stand by my opinion about standard Porsche models. But that's all it is, my opinion. The merits of a TVR are the reason I own one.
I work in the computer games industry and when the merits of one console against another crops up and people start arguing I always just say 'What's stopping you owning both?'.
Edited by chimpboy on Friday 19th October 10:28
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