TVR to take deposits in 6 days time ....

[V8 GRF]

AOK said:

V8 GRF said:

AOK said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/11727415/Budge...

let's hope the Low Volume Vehicle Allowance thingy stays in place!

Totally unrelated to VED

I'm not going to pretend I know much about it, but please do enlighten me.

I imagine, as with my Speed 6 you pay an unrealistically low RFL for a 300gm/km+ Griff... what makes this the case? I always thought it was some archaic 'anomaly' in the tax system whereby TVRs fall under some kind of Light Goods / low volume manufacturer banding.

Ah sorry, I misunderstood what you meant there. I thought you were referring to the exceptions in complying with the regulation with regards to stability control, ABS etc.

You're correct there is a connection and the regulations have already changed with regards to emission, indeed they changed around 2004/2005. TVR in the past didn't supply any CO2 figures as they didn't have to so if there are no figures they couldn't be assessed, ergo PLG.

Any new TVR will have to comply with the CO2 regs and as a result will be taxed accordingly. The PLG category won't apply to any new cars.

[JonRB]

AOK said:

I'm not going to pretend I know much about it, but please do enlighten me.

I imagine, as with my Speed 6 you pay an unrealistically low RFL for a 300gm/km+ Griff... what makes this the case? I always thought it was some archaic 'anomaly' in the tax system whereby TVRs fall under some kind of Light Goods / low volume manufacturer banding.

Sort of. You can't be taxed on emissions if your car doesn't have an official emissions figure because it never had one, just like it can't have an NCAP rating because it was never crash tested.

V8 GRF said:

Any new TVR will have to comply with the CO2 regs and as a result will be taxed accordingly. The PLG category won't apply to any new cars.

This is where my own knowledge runs out. Does European Small Volume Type Approval now include a CO2 rating?

[HarryW]

In the ordering process there was drop down for 'referrer', given this launch was via the net what purpose does it serve, brownie points or something?

V8GRF How many ordered now and has the ratio of club to non club changed much?

[TVRinBFG]

Re road tax, it's my understanding that since July 2013 all new vehicles are classed on their CO2 output. Under the 2015 budget, TVR car tax from 2017 will be:-

Year one - £1200/£1700/£2000 (depending upon the g/km it produces) plus £310 (for cars costing more than £40k)
Year two to five - £140 (Standard) + £310 (Cars costing more than £40k)
Year six onwards - £140 (Standard)

I hope I am wrong....

[chris watton]

TVRinBFG said:

Re road tax, it's my understanding that since July 2013 all new vehicles are classed on their CO2 output. Under the 2015 budget, TVR car tax from 2017 will be:-

Year one - £1200/£1700/£2000 (depending upon the g/km it produces) plus £310 (for cars costing more than £40k)
Year two to five - £140 (Standard) + £310 (Cars costing more than £40k)
Year six onwards - £140 (Standard)

I hope I am wrong....

That's how I understand the new RFL will work too.

[V8 GRF]

HarryW said:

In the ordering process there was drop down for 'referrer', given this launch was via the net what purpose does it serve, brownie points or something?

V8GRF How many ordered now and has the ratio of club to non club changed much?

Referrer I assume is a dealer so I assume there are commissions involved to those in the TVR Network?

I don't know any numbers, TVR are not sharing those and I doubt they intend to until they think appropriate if at all. I haven't been updated since the first day so I only know what I was told at the time.

[JonRB]

TVRinBFG said:

Re road tax, it's my understanding that since July 2013 all new vehicles are classed on their CO2 output.

Ok... but as per my earlier question, does Small Volume Approval include a CO2 output?

The whole reason that TVRs in the past have "got away with" P/LG is because they didn't have an official CO2 output.

[AOK]

JonRB said:

AOK said:

I'm not going to pretend I know much about it, but please do enlighten me.

I imagine, as with my Speed 6 you pay an unrealistically low RFL for a 300gm/km+ Griff... what makes this the case? I always thought it was some archaic 'anomaly' in the tax system whereby TVRs fall under some kind of Light Goods / low volume manufacturer banding.

Sort of. You can't be taxed on emissions if your car doesn't have an official emissions figure because it never had one, just like it can't have an NCAP rating because it was never crash tested.

V8 GRF said:

Any new TVR will have to comply with the CO2 regs and as a result will be taxed accordingly. The PLG category won't apply to any new cars.

This is where my own knowledge runs out. Does European Small Volume Type Approval now include a CO2 rating?

OK. Cheers, so my original point remains - lets hope the Small Volume Type Approval loophole which allows us to drive our current plant-food creators for circa £250 per annum is still applicable in 2017!

[V8 GRF]

JonRB said:

Ok... but as per my earlier question, does Small Volume Approval include a CO2 output?

The whole reason that TVRs in the past have "got away with" P/LG is because they didn't have an official CO2 output.

I answered that a few posts above. Yes they will have to comply with CO2 output so they'll be taxed as per any other car I'm afraid.

EDIT

Doing some research I've found this comment "The very smallest manufacturers registering less than 500 vehicles per year would be exempt from meeting the targets."

As TVR are planning to build more than 500 per year they will have to conform to teh CO2 rules.

Edited by V8 GRF on Thursday 9th July 13:35

[JonRB]

V8 GRF said:

I answered that a few posts above. Yes they will have to comply with CO2 output so they'll be taxed as per any other car I'm afraid.

Apologies, I must have missed that.

So EU Small Series type approval does include a CO2 test now then?

[TVRinBFG]

JonRB said:

Ok... but as per my earlier question, does Small Volume Approval include a CO2 output?

The whole reason that TVRs in the past have "got away with" P/LG is because they didn't have an official CO2 output.

Hi Jon - I don't pretend to be a tax experts, but No, I understand you now have to quote a CO2 figure. Plus the Cosworth engine will be based upon "something mainstream" and that motor will have a CO2 figure.

Across the motoring marques, it's going to make buying a three-six month ex-demo car interesting, as potentially you're going to get a proportion of that £2310 road tax bill. That will cause steeper first year depreciation?

[JonRB]

TVRinBFG said:

Across the motoring marques, it's going to make buying a three-six month ex-demo car interesting, as potentially you're going to get a proportion of that £2310 road tax bill. That will cause steeper first year depreciation?

It's almost certainly going to depress new car sales, for those cars affected, I would have thought. Unless you have more money than sense (and absolutely just *have* to have a brand new car) then it makes a 1+ year old car an even more compelling proposition.

[AOK]

JonRB said:

V8 GRF said:

I answered that a few posts above. Yes they will have to comply with CO2 output so they'll be taxed as per any other car I'm afraid.

Apologies, I must have missed that.

So EU Small Series type approval does include a CO2 test now then?

My logic is as follows...

M600WHO (a 2008 Noble M600) shows up as CO2: Not available

And this Ginetta http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/g...
also...
"CO₂Emissions: Not available"
... that's a 2012 car.

As such, looks to me like Small Volume Type approval still doesn't require Co2 emissions.... BUT, i can't find a 2015 plate Noble/Ginetta etc to check. AND, things may change by 2017.

As for Cosworth knowing the CO2 figures for the crate engine, I can't imagine this can be submitted by TVR as the car's emissions will be higher due to load, resistance etc.

[tvrolet]

Gazzab said:

tvrolet said:

Ditto. In for a penny and all that...

Doubt it will be anywhere near as quick as the tvrolet (LS-engined Tuscan, for sale in the classifieds BTW ), or handle as well, but hopefully a more practical proposition for the street. I was going to go down the Corvette C7 route, so this thing better be good

Cant see your car in classifieds...? TVR Tuscan racer section has 3 but not LS engined ones.

Ah, oops. seems to have got dropped. Serves me right for not checking it's there every day

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/t...

THAT's a FAST V8-powered TVR

[V8 GRF]

AOK said:

My logic is as follows...

M600WHO (a 2008 Noble M600) shows up as CO2: Not available

And this Ginetta http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/g...
also...
"CO2Emissions: Not available"
... that's a 2012 car.

As such, looks to me like Small Volume Type approval still doesn't require Co2 emissions.... BUT, i can't find a 2015 plate Noble/Ginetta etc to check. AND, things may change by 2017.

As for Cosworth knowing the CO2 figures for the crate engine, I can't imagine this can be submitted by TVR as the car's emissions will be higher due to load, resistance etc.

Again look at my post above "...any company making less than 500 cars pa will be exempt"

Ginetta don't make 500 of anything in a year so they are exempt. Noble are a different matter as I believe they have full Type Approval and any company using that have to comply with all regulations.

[mikeinsheffield]

Hey Gary - maybe you should buy that purple beast - might stop you "getting bored of your Cerbera"....

Edited by mikeinsheffield on Thursday 9th July 14:02

[Bluebottle]

V8 GRF said:

Again look at my post above "...any company making less than 500 cars pa will be exempt"

Ginetta don't make 500 of anything in a year so they are exempt. Noble are a different matter as I believe they have full Type Approval and any company using that have to comply with all regulations.

So maybe Les Edgar has thought about the 500 threshold with the L.E. cars etc. using the old ploy of minor variations to class it as a new model?

[alphaone]

He may have even thought about the release date of 2017 - 70 years since trevcar motors became TVR :-)

I hope these cars are going to be epic. Hope I bump into Les one day so I can shake his hand.

Edited by alphaone on Thursday 9th July 14:36

[DonkeyApple]

HarryW said:

In the ordering process there was drop down for 'referrer', given this launch was via the net what purpose does it serve, brownie points or something?

V8GRF How many ordered now and has the ratio of club to non club changed much?

Most likely to just be legacy functionality of the shop they've White labeled for taking details.

[gbbird]

I am soooo tempted to place a deposit, but as money is unfortunately an object for me I need to have a rough idea of final price. I appreciate this has not been released yet, but does anyone have an inkling as to what it might be? A ballpark figure even?