New TVR still under wraps! (Vol. 2)
Discussion
Classic Chim said:
baconsarney said:
Hands up all those who would buy a hybrid TVR with say a 2-3 litre turbo ICE.... Be a big no from me I'm afraid 
But your probably not the target audience, different generation. They still want funky looking cars but couldn’t give a damn what’s propelling it.
Classic Chim said:
baconsarney said:
Hands up all those who would buy a hybrid TVR with say a 2-3 litre turbo ICE.... Be a big no from me I'm afraid
But your probably not the target audience, different generation. They still want funky looking cars but couldn’t give a damn what’s propelling it.
He loves it. He loves the shape, the gullwing doors, the digital display and all the buttons and he couldn’t tell you for the life of him what it is powered by. As far as he’s concerned it’s powered by jelly and ice cream. All he knows is it goes effing fast and looks the part!
The i8 isn’t much faster than my Golf R but with electrical assistance it does pull away more easily.
The i8 has less bhp but more torque than my cerbera but is about 40% heavier.
Still I’d quite like an i8 albeit it’s not really an every day car and not is it a weekends only sports car. A real oddity but then again my cerbera is equally an oddity.
The i8 has less bhp but more torque than my cerbera but is about 40% heavier.
Still I’d quite like an i8 albeit it’s not really an every day car and not is it a weekends only sports car. A real oddity but then again my cerbera is equally an oddity.
Gazzab said:
The i8 isn’t much faster than my Golf R but with electrical assistance it does pull away more easily.
The i8 has less bhp but more torque than my cerbera but is about 40% heavier.
Still I’d quite like an i8 albeit it’s not really an every day car and not is it a weekends only sports car. A real oddity but then again my cerbera is equally an oddity.
We’re all oddities here Gazza The i8 has less bhp but more torque than my cerbera but is about 40% heavier.
Still I’d quite like an i8 albeit it’s not really an every day car and not is it a weekends only sports car. A real oddity but then again my cerbera is equally an oddity.
baconsarney said:
Gazzab said:
The i8 isn’t much faster than my Golf R but with electrical assistance it does pull away more easily.
The i8 has less bhp but more torque than my cerbera but is about 40% heavier.
Still I’d quite like an i8 albeit it’s not really an every day car and not is it a weekends only sports car. A real oddity but then again my cerbera is equally an oddity.
We’re all oddities here Gazza The i8 has less bhp but more torque than my cerbera but is about 40% heavier.
Still I’d quite like an i8 albeit it’s not really an every day car and not is it a weekends only sports car. A real oddity but then again my cerbera is equally an oddity.
Gazzab said:
The i8 isn’t much faster than my Golf R but with electrical assistance it does pull away more easily.
The i8 has less bhp but more torque than my cerbera but is about 40% heavier.
Still I’d quite like an i8 albeit it’s not really an every day car and not is it a weekends only sports car. A real oddity but then again my cerbera is equally an oddity.
It is quick in a clinical sort of way and actually quite easy to live with. He uses it as his daily and drives our daughter and himself to work every day.The i8 has less bhp but more torque than my cerbera but is about 40% heavier.
Still I’d quite like an i8 albeit it’s not really an every day car and not is it a weekends only sports car. A real oddity but then again my cerbera is equally an oddity.
It's not the sort of car to compare figures with in the old sense imo although I do tell him that my chim will blow it out of the weeds and my Boxsta will outhandle it
Gazzab said:
The i8 isn’t much faster than my Golf R but with electrical assistance it does pull away more easily.
The i8 has less bhp but more torque than my cerbera but is about 40% heavier.
Still I’d quite like an i8 albeit it’s not really an every day car and not is it a weekends only sports car. A real oddity but then again my cerbera is equally an oddity.
I thought the Golf R and the I8 were ladies cars. Certainly it’s all ladies driving them round the city and the wharf The i8 has less bhp but more torque than my cerbera but is about 40% heavier.
Still I’d quite like an i8 albeit it’s not really an every day car and not is it a weekends only sports car. A real oddity but then again my cerbera is equally an oddity.
One makes a fake farting sound, and the other a sound like a set of styling tongs warming up crossed with a daewoo matiz
rigga said:
Legend?
lol, I meant more TVR the legend and or the 'new' TVR and all around it.Its better they start small again, new owner(s) all (most) handwork, low volume and custom made.
A bit how they start as in the early days, just like say Wiesmann also did in the early days, or for you Brits like Morgan etc etc did.
Don't get to big, investors ok-isch, but no brokers/dealers/quick money makers (hope I say this right with my poor choice with English words) :-)
GTRene said:
rigga said:
Legend?
lol, I meant more TVR the legend and or the 'new' TVR and all around it.Its better they start small again, new owner(s) all (most) handwork, low volume and custom made.
A bit how they start as in the early days, just like say Wiesmann also did in the early days, or for you Brits like Morgan etc etc did.
Don't get to big, investors ok-isch, but no brokers/dealers/quick money makers (hope I say this right with my poor choice with English words) :-)
Low volume. Check
Hand built. Check
Custom made. Check
Don’t get too big. Check
No big investors. Check
I think you’ve nailed it!
GTRene said:
lol, I meant more TVR the legend and or the 'new' TVR and all around it.
Its better they start small again, new owner(s) all (most) handwork, low volume and custom made.
A bit how they start as in the early days, just like say Wiesmann also did in the early days, or for you Brits like Morgan etc etc did.
Don't get to big, investors ok-isch, but no brokers/dealers/quick money makers (hope I say this right with my poor choice with English words) :-)
Yes, it was just confusing with Les Edgar and legend combined.Its better they start small again, new owner(s) all (most) handwork, low volume and custom made.
A bit how they start as in the early days, just like say Wiesmann also did in the early days, or for you Brits like Morgan etc etc did.
Don't get to big, investors ok-isch, but no brokers/dealers/quick money makers (hope I say this right with my poor choice with English words) :-)
N7GTX said:
According to the operations director at TVR, petrol cars will still be around in 2040-2050 following his attendance at an electrification conference. He doesn't see fully electric as the way forward yet but hybrids, yes.
He claims the average car engine costs around £2k compared to average electric engine and batteries at £10k.
https://www.facebook.com/john.chasey.1
He was at the DBX launch at St Athan at the beginning of December 'checking out the competition'.
He's totally delusional if he thinks car manufacturers will still be installing ICE engines in another 20-30 years. Comments like this from a significant director of newco is very worrying indeed and confirms why we'll never see another TVR see the light of day. They've seriously lost the plot He claims the average car engine costs around £2k compared to average electric engine and batteries at £10k.
https://www.facebook.com/john.chasey.1
He was at the DBX launch at St Athan at the beginning of December 'checking out the competition'.
Silenceisgolden said:
He's totally delusional if he thinks car manufacturers will still be installing ICE engines in another 20-30 years. Comments like this from a significant director of newco is very worrying indeed and confirms why we'll never see another TVR see the light of day. They've seriously lost the plot
People still ride horses, listen to records, use log fires etc... There probably will still be a market and vehicles produced. Albeit in low volumes.
There was an interesting program on radio four on Saturday with experts on there discussing global warming with alarming facts and figures on how we are not going to reach low carbon levels without pretty much giving everything up and ditching all the oil/gas/coal power stations.
A general point made by one of the experts about electric cars in areas where electricity is produced by the above is that all we are doing is moving carbon production up the chain which we all know but authorities still bang on about everyone using electric cars.
So in the real world, clean, efficient ice engines are not so bad
A general point made by one of the experts about electric cars in areas where electricity is produced by the above is that all we are doing is moving carbon production up the chain which we all know but authorities still bang on about everyone using electric cars.
So in the real world, clean, efficient ice engines are not so bad
The way I see it in 20 years ic engines will be the preserve of enthusiasts cars and some commercial vehicles. It's totally wasted on a vw polo. Nor do vw polo drivers want a noisy, slow, unrefined, polluting lump under the bonnet now. So they'll happily move over.
The refueling network may deminish somewhat, but there are other fuels combustion engines can run off and a lot of efficiency still to gain.
The refueling network may deminish somewhat, but there are other fuels combustion engines can run off and a lot of efficiency still to gain.
Silenceisgolden said:
N7GTX said:
According to the operations director at TVR, petrol cars will still be around in 2040-2050 following his attendance at an electrification conference. He doesn't see fully electric as the way forward yet but hybrids, yes.
He claims the average car engine costs around £2k compared to average electric engine and batteries at £10k.
He's totally delusional if he thinks car manufacturers will still be installing ICE engines in another 20-30 years. Comments like this from a significant director of newco is very worrying indeed and confirms why we'll never see another TVR see the light of day. They've seriously lost the plot He claims the average car engine costs around £2k compared to average electric engine and batteries at £10k.
Monkeylegend said:
I was reading an article re Mercedes (can't remember where it was now) saying they are still developing ICE and see a future for both petrol and diesel engines for at least the next 20 years for diesel and longer for petrol.
I can understand this especially as third world countries will not be taking up electrification as quickly as Europe is likely to do. There is still a big market for diesels and how many Toyota pickups do you see with gun toting militias? But, if the public perception is that the ICE is causing pollution in their cities, whether true or not but rammed down their throats on every news bulletin, then Greta will convince them not to buy ICE cars. So the manufacturers may still make them, but will the public buy them in 10 years time?
There have also been multiple 'industry experts' stating (and no, I'm not going to dig out articles!) that Hydrogen fuel cell rather than battery technology will be the longer term future. Hydrogen run cars of course can use version of ICE. Therefore "producing ICEs in another 30 years" might not be wrong - the fuel they're running on might be different though.
I still find it odd so many people care about the amazing 0-60 times of electric vehicles. Yes, generally quicker than petrol/diesel cars but vast majority of car buyers never use the 0-60. Mine does 3.5 - who cares. It's the 50 to highly illegal speed that's far more interesting and useful
I still find it odd so many people care about the amazing 0-60 times of electric vehicles. Yes, generally quicker than petrol/diesel cars but vast majority of car buyers never use the 0-60. Mine does 3.5 - who cares. It's the 50 to highly illegal speed that's far more interesting and useful
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