New TVR still under wraps!

[RichardD]

julian64 said:

... whether the front end is universally liked or not.

Info on t'internet has the Mc 540S with a 199mph top speed. Which means this (assumedly) less powerful TVR has a higher top speed. So McLaren are either sandbagging or a TVR is more efficient than a McLaren. Which is nice .

So I like the front end for reasons of efficiency.

[TwinKam]

Light n Hairy said:

TwinKam said:

With respect, it doesn't need to be 'universally liked'.
Just liked enough, by enough.

Quite. Economically speaking.

To be liked by the vast majority, though, is desirable. And there are many cars that have been launched over the years that have achieved this, achieving legendary status over and above, and indeed in spite of, their engineering quality.

The pity (wrong word for this particular case, but YKWIM) is that a less divisive aesthetic design is so eminently possible to achieve, and would in fact make even more economic sense, as it would do justice to the world-beating engineering underneath. The Murray-engineered McLaren F1, which though not a Miura-level stunner, succeeded on brilliant engineering and majority-liked aesthetic appeal. People do buy cars because they are beautiful, and they do like the additional feeling that pretty much everyone else loves the look of the car too. The latter factor would sell a precious extra number of cars, possibly as many or even more than the former.

Who actually knows if "a less divisive aesthetic design is so eminently possible to achieve", apart from those that understand the whole of the design?... ie Mr Murray and his team.
Enabling airflow must have been one of its foremost design requirements, and yet the majority of the complaints are about the shape/size/position of vents.

[bullittmcqueen]

Ok, guys, it's been all a joke, the launch and everything. The first pictures of the REAL, TRUE new TVR have just been released and it looks so much better than the one we were tricked into seeing at the depositors reveal and the public launch.

Here it is, in mean black color, mighty, elegant. A perfectly designed muscle car that will teach all those McLarens and Lambos for sure.

Tadaaaa.....



and




Surely, noone will ever complain about the front again.




Honestly, this is the title story on PH and if you take a look in the forum, this one's got a REAL problem stylingwise.

Rock on.

[julian64]

bullittmcqueen said:

Ok, guys, it's been all a joke, the launch and everything. The first pictures of the REAL, TRUE new TVR have just been released and it looks so much better than the one we were tricked into seeing at the depositors reveal and the public launch.

Here it is, in mean black color, mighty, elegant. A perfectly designed muscle car that will teach all those McLarens and Lambos for sure.

Tadaaaa.....



and




Surely, noone will ever complain about the front again.




Honestly, this is the title story on PH and if you take a look in the forum, this one's got a REAL problem stylingwise.

Rock on.

Actually the nose on that looks pretty good but the rest of the car is gash. if you stick that nose/lights on the Griffith body you might have something

[bullittmcqueen]

julian64 said:

Actually the nose on that looks pretty good but the rest of the car is gash. if you stick that nose/lights on the Griffith body you might have something

?!?!???

[RichB]

bullittmcqueen said:

...Surely, noone will ever complain about the front again.

Did you ask him

[barchetta_boy]

My dad was in hermans hermits

[RichB]

barchetta_boy said:

My dad was in hermans hermits

Seriously? Noone knew that

[FlipFlopGriff]

barchetta_boy said:

My dad was in hermans hermits

Was he german?
FFG

[GetCarter]

barchetta_boy said:

My dad was in hermans hermits

I hope he wrote some of the music and you're into something good.

[Deeman]

The smiley face thing worked with this one too

[TA14]

Deeman said:

The smiley face thing worked with this one too

How could we forget that?

[bullittmcqueen]

barchetta_boy said:

My dad was in hermans hermits

I didn't know them by their name, just skipped through a few songs on youtube and i knew basically each and every single one. Worldclass songs among them !! Just curious, which instrument did your dad play ?

[Wacky Racer]

GetCarter said:

barchetta_boy said:

My dad was in hermans hermits

I hope he wrote some of the music and you're into something good.

Peter Noone played Len Fairclough's son Stanley in Coronation Street in 1961


WR

PH Coronation Street historian.

[Hollowpockets]

RichardD said:

Info on t'internet has the Mc 540S with a 199mph top speed. Which means this (assumedly) less powerful TVR has a higher top speed. So McLaren are either sandbagging or a TVR is more efficient than a McLaren. Which is nice .

So I like the front end for reasons of efficiency.

These basic Mclarens have hit 203/204 on runways. Claimed numbers aren't anything to go by and I believe my 675 makes about 20bhp more than claimed figures. I wouldn't bank on Tvrs gearbox being more efficient than Mclarens twin clutch jobby which is marvellous by the way.

[Light n Hairy]

TwinKam said:

Light n Hairy said:

TwinKam said:

With respect, it doesn't need to be 'universally liked'.
Just liked enough, by enough.

Quite. Economically speaking.

To be liked by the vast majority, though, is desirable. And there are many cars that have been launched over the years that have achieved this, achieving legendary status over and above, and indeed in spite of, their engineering quality.

The pity (wrong word for this particular case, but YKWIM) is that a less divisive aesthetic design is so eminently possible to achieve, and would in fact make even more economic sense, as it would do justice to the world-beating engineering underneath. The Murray-engineered McLaren F1, which though not a Miura-level stunner, succeeded on brilliant engineering and majority-liked aesthetic appeal. People do buy cars because they are beautiful, and they do like the additional feeling that pretty much everyone else loves the look of the car too. The latter factor would sell a precious extra number of cars, possibly as many or even more than the former.

Who actually knows if "a less divisive aesthetic design is so eminently possible to achieve", apart from those that understand the whole of the design?... ie Mr Murray and his team.
Enabling airflow must have been one of its foremost design requirements, and yet the majority of the complaints are about the shape/size/position of vents.

I understand what you mean. The ease making changes would have probably been better much earlier in the process. Sure.


It seems the aesthetic demands were deprioritised a little too bluntly, somewhere along the line. The makers took a quantitative view of a qualitative thing, demonstrating the kind of problem that happens when engineers decide the final look of a car. That is totally appropriate for a racing car. Less so for a consumer sports car, which arguably makes its most primary, and enduring, impact from its visual appeal.

Edited by Light n Hairy on Saturday 7th October 11:50

[RichardD]

Hollowpockets said:

These basic Mclarens have hit 203/204 on runways. Claimed numbers aren't anything to go by and I believe my 675 makes about 20bhp more than claimed figures. I wouldn't bank on Tvrs gearbox being more efficient than Mclarens twin clutch jobby which is marvellous by the way.

The 199mph figure is probably a worst case figure so that no one gets the hump if they can't match the claimed top speed! But still, IF the 540 did have 540 (and not more power) then maybe it would only do 199mph ?!

Gearboxes are a thing though. The TVR will be a good not overly inexpensive track day car due to the relatively simple transmission (you will know far better than me in the future, how many 10+ year old modern McLarens will see track day action if the gearbox isn't underwritten by someone else?), but I'll be impressed if the new TVR can sub 7 second 0-100mph.

As you'll have enjoyed lots of times, a modern McLaren doesn't waste (any noticeable time) changing gear and with lots of ratios and an engine that develops flat power in the upper rev range, they are near enough always accelerating at maximum output .

[BJWoods]

RichardD said:

The 199mph figure is probably a worst case figure so that no one gets the hump if they can't match the claimed top speed! But still, IF the 540 did have 540 (and not more power) then maybe it would only do 199mph ?!

Gearboxes are a thing though. The TVR will be a good not overly inexpensive track day car due to the relatively simple transmission (you will know far better than me in the future, how many 10+ year old modern McLarens will see track day action if the gearbox isn't underwritten by someone else?), but I'll be impressed if the new TVR can sub 7 second 0-100mph.

As you'll have enjoyed lots of times, a modern McLaren doesn't waste (any noticeable time) changing gear and with lots of ratios and an engine that develops flat power in the upper rev range, they are near enough always accelerating at maximum output .

the new Lotus Evora is quoted as having only 430 Bhp and about the same weight as the new TVR.
https://artofgears.com/2017/09/12/lotus-evora-gt43...

and it is supposed to be good for 196 mph..
so can't see why the TVR won't crack 200mph (not that I personally care, about top speeds)

[RichardD]

BJWoods said:

...so can't see why the TVR won't crack 200mph (not that I personally care, about top speeds)

I agree and I'd hope it is evident that I'm one of the ones suggesting that the body shape is as it is due to aero requirements. (200mph with an engine unmodified internally).

[HarryW]

Styling aside anyone have details on the engine, i like oily bits.... in particular is the base engine Cosworth worked on the latest Gen3 Coyote?