New TVR still under wraps! (Vol. 3)
Discussion
andyvdg said:
andyvdg said:
andyvdg said:
andyvdg said:
andyvdg said:
Pops head around door and sees if there is a car to be bought yet; I'll come back in a year
Pops head around the door again and sees if there is a car to be bought yet; I'll come back again in another yearQBee said:
GeneralBanter said:
Jordie Barretts sock said:
The honest and blunt answer is probably 'nothing'.
Well saidErr…what was the question again?
phazed said:
Probably a Gillette and a pair of furry underpants in this weather!
fieryfred said:
Dont you mean Gilet & willy warmer. If his hard up a string vest & wooly sock.
I don't leave the house if I have a hard up 
GTRene said:
This could be a TVR -ish, they sell them, yes you can order them :-)
Ginetta G56 GTR
https://www.ginetta.com/our-cars/for-the-road/gine...
I was told Laurence Thomlinson an under bidders when the Russian bought the business, he then purchased Ginetta instead. LNT probably waiting in the wings…….Ginetta G56 GTR
https://www.ginetta.com/our-cars/for-the-road/gine...
Just passing thru after a long absence.
I still have my '94 4litre Chim. Still arguably the best car l've had since l bought my 1st car, an Austin 7, 55 yrs ago.
I'm still a TVR supporter and fan.
Clearly the big let-down for most, judging from the continuing pages on this topic, has been the lack of delivery of the phase 3 Griffith.
I'm not up to speed with any communications about TVR which Les might have made over the past, say 12mths.
My question is this: because imo, and possibly objectively, no sports car can now be produced which is anywhere near as striking, lovely or timeless as the Sagaris and the Cerbera, why cannot Les plough all his remaining investment money into producing a phase 2 Sag and Cerb which look unchanged from 2005?
I am aware that there might be the objection that stringent construction rules make this impracticable, but l mean, would there not still be a market across Europe, the USA and China for, say producing a thousand a year?
For the record, l was never entirely convinced about the happiness of design of the Ph.3 Griff; the Sag and Cerb are, to me, the quintessence of loveliness. : )
I still have my '94 4litre Chim. Still arguably the best car l've had since l bought my 1st car, an Austin 7, 55 yrs ago.
I'm still a TVR supporter and fan.
Clearly the big let-down for most, judging from the continuing pages on this topic, has been the lack of delivery of the phase 3 Griffith.
I'm not up to speed with any communications about TVR which Les might have made over the past, say 12mths.
My question is this: because imo, and possibly objectively, no sports car can now be produced which is anywhere near as striking, lovely or timeless as the Sagaris and the Cerbera, why cannot Les plough all his remaining investment money into producing a phase 2 Sag and Cerb which look unchanged from 2005?
I am aware that there might be the objection that stringent construction rules make this impracticable, but l mean, would there not still be a market across Europe, the USA and China for, say producing a thousand a year?
For the record, l was never entirely convinced about the happiness of design of the Ph.3 Griff; the Sag and Cerb are, to me, the quintessence of loveliness. : )
revsurge said:
Just passing thru after a long absence.
I still have my '94 4litre Chim. Still arguably the best car l've had since l bought my 1st car, an Austin 7, 55 yrs ago.
I'm still a TVR supporter and fan.
Clearly the big let-down for most, judging from the continuing pages on this topic, has been the lack of delivery of the phase 3 Griffith.
I'm not up to speed with any communications about TVR which Les might have made over the past, say 12mths.
My question is this: because imo, and possibly objectively, no sports car can now be produced which is anywhere near as striking, lovely or timeless as the Sagaris and the Cerbera, why cannot Les plough all his remaining investment money into producing a phase 2 Sag and Cerb which look unchanged from 2005?
I am aware that there might be the objection that stringent construction rules make this impracticable, but l mean, would there not still be a market across Europe, the USA and China for, say producing a thousand a year?
For the record, l was never entirely convinced about the happiness of design of the Ph.3 Griff; the Sag and Cerb are, to me, the quintessence of loveliness. : )
We covered that on page 42 shortly after deciding that it wasn’t a great idea suggesting Les started in a shed just like Trevor did. The upshot of the Mk2 Sag was I believe that it was the Sag that knackered TVR first time round so the portent of doom, and the dark shadow of the apocalypse would descend to start that shenanigan again. I still have my '94 4litre Chim. Still arguably the best car l've had since l bought my 1st car, an Austin 7, 55 yrs ago.
I'm still a TVR supporter and fan.
Clearly the big let-down for most, judging from the continuing pages on this topic, has been the lack of delivery of the phase 3 Griffith.
I'm not up to speed with any communications about TVR which Les might have made over the past, say 12mths.
My question is this: because imo, and possibly objectively, no sports car can now be produced which is anywhere near as striking, lovely or timeless as the Sagaris and the Cerbera, why cannot Les plough all his remaining investment money into producing a phase 2 Sag and Cerb which look unchanged from 2005?
I am aware that there might be the objection that stringent construction rules make this impracticable, but l mean, would there not still be a market across Europe, the USA and China for, say producing a thousand a year?
For the record, l was never entirely convinced about the happiness of design of the Ph.3 Griff; the Sag and Cerb are, to me, the quintessence of loveliness. : )
m4tti said:
JNR77 said:
I was told Laurence Thomlinson an under bidders when the Russian bought the business, he then purchased Ginetta instead. LNT probably waiting in the wings…….
To buy what, the name? I’d imagine it’s worthless now..
JNR77 said:
m4tti said:
To buy what, the name?
I’d imagine it’s worthless now..
Brand and IP to a Gordon Murray designed car. Probably will be available at a fraction of the price of what it cost so far. LNT group is a pretty impressive set up and have toyed with road cars . I’d imagine it’s worthless now..
A car to be produced using a design and construction technique no one else on the planet wanted to buy into in the first place, and a car that looks severely dated.
As for the brand, no one outside of people who currently own a TVR will care.
I think that what Ginetta has done over recent years in motorsport is fantastic, giving legs up to so many young drivers.
But financially it makes sorry reading - accumulated losses as at the 2022 accounts are £38 million.
For example, it lost about £4.8 million on £9.2 million turnover in the year to March 2022.
The whole Ginetta exercise is financed by Lawrence Tomlinson's Care Home business, I believe.
But financially it makes sorry reading - accumulated losses as at the 2022 accounts are £38 million.
For example, it lost about £4.8 million on £9.2 million turnover in the year to March 2022.
The whole Ginetta exercise is financed by Lawrence Tomlinson's Care Home business, I believe.
QBee said:
I think that what Ginetta has done over recent years in motorsport is fantastic, giving legs up to so many young drivers.
But financially it makes sorry reading - accumulated losses as at the 2022 accounts are £38 million.
For example, it lost about £4.8 million on £9.2 million turnover in the year to March 2022.
The whole Ginetta exercise is financed by Lawrence Tomlinson's Care Home business, I believe.
Ginetta, Marcos, Aston Martin, TVR... none of them ever were money-making ventures!But financially it makes sorry reading - accumulated losses as at the 2022 accounts are £38 million.
For example, it lost about £4.8 million on £9.2 million turnover in the year to March 2022.
The whole Ginetta exercise is financed by Lawrence Tomlinson's Care Home business, I believe.
However the more mainstream super car brands, which could be said to be selling more brand, lifestyle and imagery as well as pinnacle performance vehicles, have all seen profits increase.
Eg Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini
Not directly comparable, but demand is there.
Eg Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini
Not directly comparable, but demand is there.
Edited by m4tti on Tuesday 9th May 12:45
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