New TVR still under wraps!
Discussion
julian64 said:
Is it 1200Kg if so that's very good. The lightest standard cerb I ever weighed was 1235kg, the heaviest was 1432kg. Only about ten cerbs in total but there was quite a difference, the earlier cars generally being lighter than the later 'lightweights'
If the new Griff comes in at 1200kg I will be VERY impressed.
the target has been ~1250 kg.. If the new Griff comes in at 1200kg I will be VERY impressed.
Which may go up or down a bit.
The one hard target they have long committed to is 400 Bhp / tonne.. 1250 KG = 500 BHP required
BJWoods said:
the target has been ~1250 kg..
Which may go up or down a bit.
The one hard target they have long committed to is 400 Bhp / tonne.. 1250 KG = 500 BHP required
I think they should, even if only for marketing reasons, have the 5-figure in front of the bhp output. There are so many cars now touching the 600/700+ range that anything with "only" a 4 in front will not be taken seriously, even if power-to-weight is comparable ( as is for example the case with the C7 Z06 where 660hp equal 400/ton )Which may go up or down a bit.
The one hard target they have long committed to is 400 Bhp / tonne.. 1250 KG = 500 BHP required
bullittmcqueen said:
I think they should, even if only for marketing reasons, have the 5-figure in front of the bhp output. There are so many cars now touching the 600/700+ range that anything with "only" a 4 in front will not be taken seriously, even if power-to-weight is comparable ( as is for example the case with the C7 Z06 where 660hp equal 400/ton )
yeah totally agree.. marketing wise 500 BHP (+) needs to be figure..
I've said that to them for the last few years!
IF they were being really cheeky, make it the same BHP (or 1 bhp more) as the new Aston Vantage...
and casually mention in the advertising, oh, our car is FIVE HUNDRED KILOGRAMS lighter...
(though, maybe TVR have been lying in a good way. and the car is 1200KG with 540 BHP... Only dreaming!!)
The base Gen 3 Ford Coyote engine is I believe 460+ bhp..?
So who knows what it will be when released. no wild high numbers as this has to be an OEM install, not after market tuning.
Edited by BJWoods on Wednesday 3rd October 12:33
The original griff/chim 500 was marketed at 320 bhp when most were dynoed at about 275 at the fly.
Strangely after everyone in the know has that knowledge, dealers still quote the exaggerated figures!
TVR need to come clean with their figures, (or quote low) as the press will soon be on their case with negative results.
Strangely after everyone in the know has that knowledge, dealers still quote the exaggerated figures!
TVR need to come clean with their figures, (or quote low) as the press will soon be on their case with negative results.
phazed said:
The original griff/chim 500 was marketed at 320 bhp when most were dynoed at about 275 at the fly.
Strangely after everyone in the know has that knowledge, dealers still quote the exaggerated figures!
TVR need to come clean with their figures, (or quote low) as the press will soon be on their case with negative results.
Those were the old days....Strangely after everyone in the know has that knowledge, dealers still quote the exaggerated figures!
TVR need to come clean with their figures, (or quote low) as the press will soon be on their case with negative results.
Figures will have to be bang on.. modern times now.
Anyway, the stock coyote Gen 3 V8 that TVR starts with, is 460 (real bhp)
https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/2018-ford-musta...
though, I'm sure TVR, have absolutely, definitely not, not even remotely considering, or thought about superchargers (or turbochargers - both in TVR's history), for the future...…. ;-)
Mustang Gen 3 V8 tuning.
https://www.fordnxt.com/tech-stories/dyno-testing/...
"Whipple is still finalizing the system and the high-output version of the kit will be set up for 7,800 RPM and should easily deliver mid-700s [bhp] at the wheels with 93 octane."
Edited by BJWoods on Wednesday 3rd October 13:02
phazed said:
Gordon Bennet!
indeed.
and Les Edgar / TVR by pure coincidence, nothing to do with, not remotely thought about, or dreamed about, fantasied about, superchargers, or turbo chargers, TVR spec'd the TVR Griffith LE car, with a Gearbox that is massively over spec'd for the standard Gen 3 V8 torque requirements. a complete coincidence, and nothing at all can be read into that decision.... ;-)
http://www.tremec.com/noticias_detalle/tvr-debuts-...
and what anybody does with the car, after they get theirs is purely, on them for their own enjoyment....
(and/or TVR aftermarket performance upgrades division... maybe)
Edited by BJWoods on Wednesday 3rd October 14:08
Edited by BJWoods on Wednesday 3rd October 14:32
spagbogdog said:
julian64 said:
BJWoods said:
TVR to me.. equals light, manual, high power to weight ratio. good value..
TVR to me is ...... cool looking light body on interesting characterful engine = enhanced driving experience.
..just sayin...
just sayin'... 
julian64 said:
The lightest standard cerb I ever weighed was 1235kg, the heaviest was 1432kg. Only about ten cerbs in total but there was quite a difference, the earlier cars generally being lighter than the later 'lightweights'...
200kg is massive difference, (like 3 people) do you know what the possible reasons were for such a variety of weights? Even a full talk of fuel is only approx 50kg. RichB said:
julian64 said:
The lightest standard cerb I ever weighed was 1235kg, the heaviest was 1432kg. Only about ten cerbs in total but there was quite a difference, the earlier cars generally being lighter than the later 'lightweights'...
200kg is massive difference, (like 3 people) do you know what the possible reasons were for such a variety of weights? Even a full talk of fuel is only approx 50kg. RichB said:
julian64 said:
The lightest standard cerb I ever weighed was 1235kg, the heaviest was 1432kg. Only about ten cerbs in total but there was quite a difference, the earlier cars generally being lighter than the later 'lightweights'...
200kg is massive difference, (like 3 people) do you know what the possible reasons were for such a variety of weights? Even a full talk of fuel is only approx 50kg. 
Zeb74 said:
RichB said:
200kg is massive difference, (like 3 people) do you know what the possible reasons were for such a variety of weights? Even a full talk of fuel is only approx 50kg.
Artisanal process when moulding the bodyshell I guess. It was something Lotus worked on recently.Englishman said:
Well here is another that has pulled their deposit.
Why?
50% because of the lack of any projection of delivery date - a place in the queue really didn't help
40% because, on reflection after seeing the car in the flesh, it just doesn't look special enough, the front being the worst
10% because of communication to deposit holders, or rather lack of anything substantial
I will still be following progress with great interest and hope the new TVR company are successful though.
Now for over 12 years I have followed your posts on PH so I know how much of a TVR nut you are from following your various cars and tribs and tribulations including the whole crazy Cerbera thing from a few years back.Why?
50% because of the lack of any projection of delivery date - a place in the queue really didn't help
40% because, on reflection after seeing the car in the flesh, it just doesn't look special enough, the front being the worst
10% because of communication to deposit holders, or rather lack of anything substantial
I will still be following progress with great interest and hope the new TVR company are successful though.
If they have lost you as a customer then either they take note of whats going wrong and why you have dropped out or they really have deserted their fan base
So for those in the know, apparently there is going to be an October update email? Presumably this will say much like the previous one i.e. nothing new of real importance. I just find it extraordinary that a car manufacturer continues to make promise after promise. The original projected dates suggested the car would be in production well over a year ago yet I have not read (to date) that a factory has actually been handed to the new team?
Yes, I have read on here that the fault is with the Welsh government who have invested taxpayers money in the company so presumably the owners do not want to fall out with them. It would be good for depositors to be told categorically when the factory will actually be handed over; when it will be fitted out for production and to give a production start date that is not a daydream. It cannot be realistically expected for a depositor to hang on in there indefinitely receiving more empty promises in once-in-a-while emails.
Perhaps if the management team had kept to the original start dates and produced the car then all the complaints about the front would have dissipated as the car became more visible?
Yes, I have read on here that the fault is with the Welsh government who have invested taxpayers money in the company so presumably the owners do not want to fall out with them. It would be good for depositors to be told categorically when the factory will actually be handed over; when it will be fitted out for production and to give a production start date that is not a daydream. It cannot be realistically expected for a depositor to hang on in there indefinitely receiving more empty promises in once-in-a-while emails.
Perhaps if the management team had kept to the original start dates and produced the car then all the complaints about the front would have dissipated as the car became more visible?
RichB said:
julian64 said:
The lightest standard cerb I ever weighed was 1235kg, the heaviest was 1432kg. Only about ten cerbs in total but there was quite a difference, the earlier cars generally being lighter than the later 'lightweights'...
200kg is massive difference, (like 3 people) do you know what the possible reasons were for such a variety of weights? Even a full talk of fuel is only approx 50kg. 
I know what you mean, I'm 90kg but I was trying not to be sizeist! N7GTX said:
So for those in the know, apparently there is going to be an October update email? Presumably this will say much like the previous one i.e. nothing new of real importance. I just find it extraordinary that a car manufacturer continues to make promise after promise. The original projected dates suggested the car would be in production well over a year ago yet I have not read (to date) that a factory has actually been handed to the new team?
Yes, I have read on here that the fault is with the Welsh government who have invested taxpayers money in the company so presumably the owners do not want to fall out with them. It would be good for depositors to be told categorically when the factory will actually be handed over; when it will be fitted out for production and to give a production start date that is not a daydream. It cannot be realistically expected for a depositor to hang on in there indefinitely receiving more empty promises in once-in-a-while emails.
Perhaps if the management team had kept to the original start dates and produced the car then all the complaints about the front would have dissipated as the car became more visible?
Why? It is only a small refundable deposit. so no actual 'real' commitment from anyone.. Yes, I have read on here that the fault is with the Welsh government who have invested taxpayers money in the company so presumably the owners do not want to fall out with them. It would be good for depositors to be told categorically when the factory will actually be handed over; when it will be fitted out for production and to give a production start date that is not a daydream. It cannot be realistically expected for a depositor to hang on in there indefinitely receiving more empty promises in once-in-a-while emails.
Perhaps if the management team had kept to the original start dates and produced the car then all the complaints about the front would have dissipated as the car became more visible?
I'm leaving my (2 deposits ) there and will wait and see.. Going from zero - basically starting a car company from scratch, takes some doing and there will be delays, bottlenecks, etc along the way
More, yes, we are still here updates, we haven't forgotten you needs (and I think will) to be happening from now on from TVR
October update, has an expectation of some big/good news. so up to three weeks or so and counting..
Once the factory actually gets handed over, things should accelerate. Then we can be in a better position to judge progress
I'm a deposit holder. NOT an investor. so it was always take a chance. As I said as soon as the get a factory, the next phase begins. And that will be a big funding commitment. recruitment starts, factory fit out/ assembly line, etc, etc. Which I'm sure has all been planned for.
I put a deposit down, with virtual zero info, beyond Les Edgar talking a good plan, answering a lot of my dumb ass questions (I'm sure he thought) and the tantalising prospect of Gordon Murray Design being involved..
I never quite believed we'd get to a real live prototype, so now it exists. the rest is down to hard work, the boring stuff and a big chunk of funding.
so. I'm happy to wait, if others are not, well. just hand back the deposit.
Edited by BJWoods on Thursday 4th October 11:08
Edited by BJWoods on Thursday 4th October 11:09
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