New TVR still under wraps! (Vol. 2)
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Yup, that new Lotus looks very nice indeed. My husband did finally submit to my nagging (clever man) and withdraw his deposit - took nearly 6 weeks to receive it but now safely back.
To be fair that money has now been spent 🙄 on his top secret - shouldn’t be telling you this - Cerbera/Coyote project. Whipple superchargers are not cheap.
To be fair that money has now been spent 🙄 on his top secret - shouldn’t be telling you this - Cerbera/Coyote project. Whipple superchargers are not cheap.
OohShiny said:
Yup, that new Lotus looks very nice indeed. My husband did finally submit to my nagging (clever man) and withdraw his deposit - took nearly 6 weeks to receive it but now safely back.
To be fair that money has now been spent ?? on his top secret - shouldn’t be telling you this - Cerbera/Coyote project. Whipple superchargers are not cheap.
Ah yes I recall 18 months ago you gave the masses the detail of the ‘secret update’ hitherto privy only to the Inner Sanctum.To be fair that money has now been spent ?? on his top secret - shouldn’t be telling you this - Cerbera/Coyote project. Whipple superchargers are not cheap.
The deposit now being put towards a TVR that will actually see the road can only be good.
Can somebody explain to me how it has been repeatedly stated on this thread by various people that it is quite impossible to build a modern ABS/traction control/airbag equipped, 180mph, 4.5secs 0-60, low volume handbuilt English sports car for under the £90k price of the new Griffith and yet Lotus seem able to do this in Hethel for £59k and have equipped it with all sorts of advanced tech including lane departure control, carplay etc.
Quite frankly why anybody in the market for a sports car under £100k would buy anything else I have no idea. Lotus styling, handling, heritage coupled to Toyota's V6 powerplant looks like an incredibly formidable, reliable and affordable combination. I wouldn't even look at an F-type, Porsche or the like now this has hit the market!
But it does completely call into question those TVR naysayers who said that the only way TVR could be resurrected is by building cars which are far more expensive than their forebears. TVR's golden age was kickstarted by Wheeler with the S series which at the time cost about the same as an MR2!! The Griffith and Chimaera cost about double the price of an MR2. If we take a fully loaded GT86 as the modern equivalent at around £33k then it implies TVR might well have re-entered the market with a £35-£40k entry level model and then pitched it's main model range around £60-£70k
The £60k price bracket which is within reach of many people in good jobs seems to be exactly what Lotus have targeted - interesting!
Saxon
Quite frankly why anybody in the market for a sports car under £100k would buy anything else I have no idea. Lotus styling, handling, heritage coupled to Toyota's V6 powerplant looks like an incredibly formidable, reliable and affordable combination. I wouldn't even look at an F-type, Porsche or the like now this has hit the market!
But it does completely call into question those TVR naysayers who said that the only way TVR could be resurrected is by building cars which are far more expensive than their forebears. TVR's golden age was kickstarted by Wheeler with the S series which at the time cost about the same as an MR2!! The Griffith and Chimaera cost about double the price of an MR2. If we take a fully loaded GT86 as the modern equivalent at around £33k then it implies TVR might well have re-entered the market with a £35-£40k entry level model and then pitched it's main model range around £60-£70k
The £60k price bracket which is within reach of many people in good jobs seems to be exactly what Lotus have targeted - interesting!
Saxon
Just 4 years before (new) TVR was incorporated, another sports car business was founded.
That other firm did not waste time writing emails to hopeful cutomers, or stumbling around trying to obtain rented premises, they immediately began developing prototype cars. Their first project was converting a BMW E30 to electric propulsion.
Now they have announced a new company name, Bugatti-Rimac and are 45% owned by the Volkswagen subsidiary Porsche.
Remarkable progress for a sports car company in only 12 years.
Edited by Jon39 on Wednesday 7th July 07:28
saxon said:
Can somebody explain to me how it has been repeatedly stated on this thread by various people that it is quite impossible to build a modern ABS/traction control/airbag equipped, 180mph, 4.5secs 0-60, low volume handbuilt English sports car for under the £90k price of the new Griffith and yet Lotus seem able to do this in Hethel for £59k and have equipped it with all sorts of advanced tech including lane departure control, carplay etc.
Quite frankly why anybody in the market for a sports car under £100k would buy anything else I have no idea. Lotus styling, handling, heritage coupled to Toyota's V6 powerplant looks like an incredibly formidable, reliable and affordable combination. I wouldn't even look at an F-type, Porsche or the like now this has hit the market!
But it does completely call into question those TVR naysayers who said that the only way TVR could be resurrected is by building cars which are far more expensive than their forebears. TVR's golden age was kickstarted by Wheeler with the S series which at the time cost about the same as an MR2!! The Griffith and Chimaera cost about double the price of an MR2. If we take a fully loaded GT86 as the modern equivalent at around £33k then it implies TVR might well have re-entered the market with a £35-£40k entry level model and then pitched it's main model range around £60-£70k
The £60k price bracket which is within reach of many people in good jobs seems to be exactly what Lotus have targeted - interesting!
Saxon
The difference is Lotus don't have to outsource every aspect. TVR has no significant technical capabilities and expected to be a success by effectively acting as a marketing company. Quite frankly why anybody in the market for a sports car under £100k would buy anything else I have no idea. Lotus styling, handling, heritage coupled to Toyota's V6 powerplant looks like an incredibly formidable, reliable and affordable combination. I wouldn't even look at an F-type, Porsche or the like now this has hit the market!
But it does completely call into question those TVR naysayers who said that the only way TVR could be resurrected is by building cars which are far more expensive than their forebears. TVR's golden age was kickstarted by Wheeler with the S series which at the time cost about the same as an MR2!! The Griffith and Chimaera cost about double the price of an MR2. If we take a fully loaded GT86 as the modern equivalent at around £33k then it implies TVR might well have re-entered the market with a £35-£40k entry level model and then pitched it's main model range around £60-£70k
The £60k price bracket which is within reach of many people in good jobs seems to be exactly what Lotus have targeted - interesting!
Saxon
They bought 1 car off a guy, which they don't know how to build and used it to get government support and deposit holders money. Its no different to a guy buying a ford focus and promising to build 1000s.
V6 Pushfit said:
OohShiny said:
Yup, that new Lotus looks very nice indeed. My husband did finally submit to my nagging (clever man) and withdraw his deposit - took nearly 6 weeks to receive it but now safely back.
To be fair that money has now been spent ?? on his top secret - shouldn’t be telling you this - Cerbera/Coyote project. Whipple superchargers are not cheap.
Ah yes I recall 18 months ago you gave the masses the detail of the ‘secret update’ hitherto privy only to the Inner Sanctum.To be fair that money has now been spent ?? on his top secret - shouldn’t be telling you this - Cerbera/Coyote project. Whipple superchargers are not cheap.
The deposit now being put towards a TVR that will actually see the road can only be good.
This article about TVR and the Coyote was written in 2016. It seems the belief back then was the new car was coming out in 2017. Oh well...
https://www.carkeys.co.uk/news/the-new-tvrs-engine...
Edited by N7GTX on Wednesday 7th July 09:42
[quote=saxon]Can somebody explain to me how it has been repeatedly stated on this thread by various people that it is quite impossible to build a modern ABS/traction control/airbag equipped, 180mph, 4.5secs 0-60, low volume handbuilt English sports car for under the £90k price of the new Griffith and yet Lotus seem able to do this in Hethel for £59k and have equipped it with all sorts of advanced tech including lane departure control, carplay etc.
Because Lotus is part of Geely automotive, who also own Volvo among other companies, and sell over 1.5 million vehicles a year, so the tech is there ready to be borrowed, just like Rolls Royce do with BMW and Bentley do with VW.
Because Lotus is part of Geely automotive, who also own Volvo among other companies, and sell over 1.5 million vehicles a year, so the tech is there ready to be borrowed, just like Rolls Royce do with BMW and Bentley do with VW.
N7GTX said:
Well, we know your hubby is on to a winner as TVR installed a Coyote in a Cerb and used it as a mule prior to the new car's birth.
This article about TVR and the Coyote was written in 2016. It seems the belief back then was the new car was coming out in 2017. Oh well...
https://www.carkeys.co.uk/news/the-new-tvrs-engine...
There's quite a few photos of the mule, I have some as they brought it to Neil Garners open day. They had to slightly modify the chassis to get it to fit.This article about TVR and the Coyote was written in 2016. It seems the belief back then was the new car was coming out in 2017. Oh well...
https://www.carkeys.co.uk/news/the-new-tvrs-engine...
Edited by N7GTX on Wednesday 7th July 09:42
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