New TVR still under wraps!

[N7GTX]

eliot said:

N7GTX said:

Not sure why you posted this Bullitt. I didn't notice any cars in the video.

there were a pair of wheel nuts in the opening scene.

... and a pair of tight nuts by the closing scene

[bullittmcqueen]

N7GTX said:

eliot said:

N7GTX said:

Not sure why you posted this Bullitt. I didn't notice any cars in the video.

there were a pair of wheel nuts in the opening scene.

... and a pair of tight nuts by the closing scene

I'm really glad the video didn't pull any cheap suggestive comments.

[GTRene]

meanwhile, Gordon Murray (new Griffith designer?) designed a new car

http://www.gordonmurraydesign.com/en/news/

[bullittmcqueen]

GTRene said:

meanwhile, Gordon Murray (new Griffith designer?) designed a new car

http://www.gordonmurraydesign.com/en/news/

This is old news. Nothing heard of it after the first announcement. Or did i miss something ?

[spagbogdog]

unrepentant said:

PuffsBack said:

So here's a question -

How many of the glass half empty crew were around during the 2005/2006 years of TVR?
And
How many of the glass half full were around at that time.


I was around (Chimaera at the time) so wondering if my negativity is being pushed to the front of my head by the deja vu of those years, the broken promises and lack of comms etc.

I had a brand new Tuscan in 2003, ordered a brand new Tuscan 2 and went to the factory and watched it being made in 2005 and bought a 1 year old Sagaris in 2007 after the factory had closed.

I was at the factory with many others and our cars after Smolenski announced it was closing. I went to the pub that day along with many owners and nearly all the staff. I listened as men, some of whom were second generation TVR workers, some who had been there for 20 years or more, told their stories. Some were in tears.

TVR died that day. This ego trip has nothing to do with TVR. Not one ounce of the blood, sweat, tears or know how of the people who made TVR is to be found here.

I sold my Sagaris because I couldn’t bring it to the USA. One day maybe I’ll get another TVR. But if I do it will be a real one that was made in Blackpool.

Absolute bks !
You’re living in absolute dreamland that (sadly) did not (nor ever properly) exist at the end.
I’ve employed plenty of lads who’s brothers and family’s worked at the factory in the latter years.
It was a fking joke !!!
Build quality and control was NON EXISTENT.

[christof]

Not to forget, MORGAN launched a new car with an entire new aluminium bond chassis powered by a fully emission
approved low co2 output BMW drivetrain.

New chassis has been developed to fit future hybrid or electric drivetrains.

Very nice website, very good marketing on the launch of the new car (check the videos).

Prototypes have been spotted testing before the launch.

Apparently a new investor was found.

Exciting times for Morgan.

[Don1]

spagbogdog said:

Build quality and control was NON EXISTENT.

My Sagaris had better build quality than my F430. The only thing wrong with it was the mesh under the lights was a different direction from one side to the other. That's it.
Unlike paint runs between the rear lights, broken earth straps, leather caught in the windscreen causing a leak...

[glow worm]

Don1 said:

My Sagaris had better build quality than my F430. The only thing wrong with it was the mesh under the lights was a different direction from one side to the other. That's it.
Unlike paint runs between the rear lights, broken earth straps, leather caught in the windscreen causing a leak...

+1 .. Besides providing the workforce with free fruit at break times , the other good thing Somolenski did was to improve build quality , he just had a***holes as managers and a few codheads
I remember unrep and puffsback at the Red Lion , puffsback didn't you fly up to Blackpool ???

[The Surveyor]

spagbogdog said:

Absolute bks !
You’re living in absolute dreamland that (sadly) did not (nor ever properly) exist at the end.
I’ve employed plenty of lads who’s brothers and family’s worked at the factory in the latter years.
It was a fking joke !!!
Build quality and control was NON EXISTENT.

Aggressive, and plain wrong. My 2006 Tuscan was built to a much higher standard than either of the Wheeler era TVR's I had in the past. To say build quality and control was non-existent is simply not true.

The staff may have been de-motivated when the closure was announced, but that's very different than the experience of those who owned a later TVR built after the quality improvement initiated by the Russian.

Its the one area the new venture can't afford to compromise if they every get to a production stage..

[anonymous-user]

The Surveyor said:

spagbogdog said:

Absolute bks !
You’re living in absolute dreamland that (sadly) did not (nor ever properly) exist at the end.
I’ve employed plenty of lads who’s brothers and family’s worked at the factory in the latter years.
It was a fking joke !!!
Build quality and control was NON EXISTENT.

Aggressive, and plain wrong. My 2006 Tuscan was built to a much higher standard than either of the Wheeler era TVR's I had in the past. To say build quality and control was non-existent is simply not true.

The staff may have been de-motivated when the closure was announced, but that's very different than the experience of those who owned a later TVR built after the quality improvement initiated by the Russian.

Its the one area the new venture can't afford to compromise if they every get to a production stage..

Spag,

I meet folk all the time that know someone that knows someone that has a story to tell about TVR reliability and quality. They generally spout crap.

You're one step up from that, subtley different in that you have a used Griffith... however similar in other respects.

To respond to the question, we've had 6 new or very nearly new cars beteen 2005 and 2008, no issues with quality, did what it said on the tin. We had quite a few before those, and again the ownership experience was enjoyable with only one TVR breakdown requiring assistance in 40 years.

So am I also taking bks and living in dream land?

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 7th March 11:22

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 7th March 17:03

[spagbogdog]

The Surveyor said:

spagbogdog said:

Absolute bks !
You’re living in absolute dreamland that (sadly) did not (nor ever properly) exist at the end.
I’ve employed plenty of lads who’s brothers and family’s worked at the factory in the latter years.
It was a fking joke !!!
Build quality and control was NON EXISTENT.

Aggressive, and plain wrong. My 2006 Tuscan was built to a much higher standard than either of the Wheeler era TVR's I had in the past. To say build quality and control was non-existent is simply not true.

The staff may have been de-motivated when the closure was announced, but that's very different than the experience of those who owned a later TVR built after the quality improvement initiated by the Russian.

Its the one area the new venture can't afford to compromise if they every get to a production stage..

Disagree
Not wrong
They'd still be selling cars now if the quality had been there.
It simply wasn't good enough and the returns were too high

100% agree
Quality and process have to be "bombproof" for the new venture to succeed..which is why I'm relaxed about current time-frames and trusting they will get it right.

[LLantrisant]

guys, nobody of you is living in Wales, near the "new" factroy? why not go there, take a few pics, ask the construciton workers over there (if you can find some) and post them here....if the industrial estate / buildings are still in a state without noticable progress...you have the answer about the "new" TVR

[anonymous-user]

Presumably nothing will be happening at the factory yet because they’re still going through the tender process? When was that due to be completed?

TVR did say something about alternative sites if there was a delay a while ago but that seems to have been abandoned.

[Ultra Sound Guy]

N7GTX said:

Look, Les and his directors are not Scarper and Bodgit and are international businessmen.

So was John DeLorean!
He did well didn't he?

[unrepentant]

spagbogdog said:

Absolute bks !
You’re living in absolute dreamland that (sadly) did not (nor ever properly) exist at the end.
I’ve employed plenty of lads who’s brothers and family’s worked at the factory in the latter years.
It was a fking joke !!!
Build quality and control was NON EXISTENT.

The only person talking bks on this thread is you mate. You have absolutely no clue.

Desperate little fanboy.

[unrepentant]

Ultra Sound Guy said:

N7GTX said:

Look, Les and his directors are not Scarper and Bodgit and are international businessmen.

So was John DeLorean!
He did well didn't he?

Bernie Madoff was hugely well respected. So much so that the gullible were still handing over "deposits" up until the day he was arrested.

[bullittmcqueen]

unrepentant said:

Ultra Sound Guy said:

N7GTX said:

Look, Les and his directors are not Scarper and Bodgit and are international businessmen.

So was John DeLorean!
He did well didn't he?

Bernie Madoff was hugely well respected. So much so that the gullible were still handing over "deposits" up until the day he was arrested.

Bernie had a way better reward to pain/risk ratio. In all honesty, what's your point ? Are you suggesting that a multi-millonaire is spending 5+ years of his time with painstaking detail-work, risking a lot of his personal money, getting government on board, getting some big names in the industry to collaborate and all that only to get a behind the scenes look at Le Mans ? Or spend that time and money to screw depositors for 2.5 Mio (at best) ?

[m4tti]

unrepentant said:

spagbogdog said:

Absolute bks !
You’re living in absolute dreamland that (sadly) did not (nor ever properly) exist at the end.
I’ve employed plenty of lads who’s brothers and family’s worked at the factory in the latter years.
It was a fking joke !!!
Build quality and control was NON EXISTENT.

The only person talking bks on this thread is you mate. You have absolutely no clue.

Desperate little fanboy.

that was good. Await the fanboy service return

[spagbogdog]

unrepentant said:

spagbogdog said:

Absolute bks !
You’re living in absolute dreamland that (sadly) did not (nor ever properly) exist at the end.
I’ve employed plenty of lads who’s brothers and family’s worked at the factory in the latter years.
It was a fking joke !!!
Build quality and control was NON EXISTENT.

The only person talking bks on this thread is you mate. You have absolutely no clue.

Desperate little fanboy.

You’re so desperate to see this project fail now that I rather suspect you simply won’t believe it when it actually does go live..
Are you this negative in every aspect of your life ?..or is it because you’ve forgotten how to use a gearstick these days..

Edited by spagbogdog on Thursday 7th March 13:27

[Testarossa]

What's going on here?
Why so much anger with posters?
The latest email was crap TVR, absolute crap - but my order is still in until I know what the car will eventually look like.
Years have gone by and whether you are a fan or not of the looks, it ain't no jag e type, so it needs a refresh - let's wait and see what happens.
Everyone who is attacking Les, I think you are being unfair, attack his taste but not his commitment or motives.
Am I gullible? Am I an idiot? Maybe I am. When you are in love with a person, sometimes your feelings are the same. Do I think Les and co are abusing this relationship? No. Do I think they need to go to a Manufacturer/Depositor Guidance Counsellor? Yes.
Let's stick to the car and if you want to discuss business plans, the market, the morals and Mr Wheeler, maybe start a new Topic?
By the way, if it sounds like I'm sticking up for TVR, I'm not, I want a better looking Griffith Les or I will give my place in the queue to Spag!