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Flasher
I think we have to agree to disagree, I believe that some of my points were misread ie point 1
The Cerbera you were trying to buy could have been on SOR, on such a deal the margins are lower typically in the region of 2K-3K, therefore out of the deal the dealer would have made say 2.5K. If he then bought your Griff for say what you might think was realistic say £10.5K, he has just spent 8K on the deal. That is 8K he might not have at the moment, his overdraft could be on its limit and going to point 3, he may not want to stock a 92 TVR.
Now OK he could have made a profit still on your Griff, but to him it might be very risky, hence offering 8K because he was going to unload it quickly for 8K-9K in the trade staright away. Did you ask what he might have offered you on a SOR basis?
I am not trying to defend all dealers in this way, but to suceed TVR needs a stable and committed dealer network, no-one can deny Hawthorns or TMSs committment to to the marque over the last few years.
I have visited many dealers over the years and some of which I wouldn't give the time of day, I mean when we bought our Griff, during one telephone call one dealer who will be nameless refused to go outside in the rain to tell us the interior colour of a car he had in stock, we took our 33K elsewhere and another alledgly had the cheek to ring up another dealer to say that we had placed an order on a new car with him and we couldn't possibly be in the position to be buying a car from another dealer, when we had done no such thing. Those dealers will remain nameless, but often their praises are sung here, so for every bad experience you've had with a dealer there will be people who've had good experiences with them.
But going back to the margins, in the good old days, dealers shifted loads of cars (new and s/h) so margins could afford to be low, (there were perhaps up to 2000 new TVRs coming onto the market), nowadays there are many less new cars being sold and the s/h market is in oversupply so dealers are shifting fewer cars so they want to make more on each deal to keep themselves afloat.
davidy
I think we have to agree to disagree, I believe that some of my points were misread ie point 1
The Cerbera you were trying to buy could have been on SOR, on such a deal the margins are lower typically in the region of 2K-3K, therefore out of the deal the dealer would have made say 2.5K. If he then bought your Griff for say what you might think was realistic say £10.5K, he has just spent 8K on the deal. That is 8K he might not have at the moment, his overdraft could be on its limit and going to point 3, he may not want to stock a 92 TVR.
Now OK he could have made a profit still on your Griff, but to him it might be very risky, hence offering 8K because he was going to unload it quickly for 8K-9K in the trade staright away. Did you ask what he might have offered you on a SOR basis?
I am not trying to defend all dealers in this way, but to suceed TVR needs a stable and committed dealer network, no-one can deny Hawthorns or TMSs committment to to the marque over the last few years.
I have visited many dealers over the years and some of which I wouldn't give the time of day, I mean when we bought our Griff, during one telephone call one dealer who will be nameless refused to go outside in the rain to tell us the interior colour of a car he had in stock, we took our 33K elsewhere and another alledgly had the cheek to ring up another dealer to say that we had placed an order on a new car with him and we couldn't possibly be in the position to be buying a car from another dealer, when we had done no such thing. Those dealers will remain nameless, but often their praises are sung here, so for every bad experience you've had with a dealer there will be people who've had good experiences with them.
But going back to the margins, in the good old days, dealers shifted loads of cars (new and s/h) so margins could afford to be low, (there were perhaps up to 2000 new TVRs coming onto the market), nowadays there are many less new cars being sold and the s/h market is in oversupply so dealers are shifting fewer cars so they want to make more on each deal to keep themselves afloat.
davidy
Ted
I'm not angry about it. I took my business elsewhere and got a better cerb, a better deal and £4,500 more for my Griff. How can I be unhappy??
It may seem like this is a story I trot out all the time but to me it's a perfect example of how TVR dealers are utter crap in the majority of cases. That particular dealer is one that many people brown nose about how good they are when I have heard at least four horror stories to the contrary. I'm only redressing the balance.
I had similar experiences at FOUR other dealers when trying to buy a Cerbera but I felt that this one was the worst offender.
I don't take it personally as I must be the tip of the iceberg. I'm not in favour of naming and shaming on this site at all but arse-licking these people is just as bad and there are several people who come on this site who are attached to some of the dealers and use it as free advertising. It sucks.
We will leave it there eh?
I'm not angry about it. I took my business elsewhere and got a better cerb, a better deal and £4,500 more for my Griff. How can I be unhappy??
It may seem like this is a story I trot out all the time but to me it's a perfect example of how TVR dealers are utter crap in the majority of cases. That particular dealer is one that many people brown nose about how good they are when I have heard at least four horror stories to the contrary. I'm only redressing the balance.
I had similar experiences at FOUR other dealers when trying to buy a Cerbera but I felt that this one was the worst offender.
I don't take it personally as I must be the tip of the iceberg. I'm not in favour of naming and shaming on this site at all but arse-licking these people is just as bad and there are several people who come on this site who are attached to some of the dealers and use it as free advertising. It sucks.
We will leave it there eh?
Flasher said: I'm not in favour of naming and shaming on this site at all but arse-licking these people is just as bad and there are several people who come on this site who are attached to some of the dealers and use it as free advertising. It sucks.
If you are incinuating anything through this about my relationship with Hawthorns, I suggest you re-read the whole thread and then apologise, if you are not then I'll apologise in advance for troubling you.
I suggest that you consider putting your toys back in the pram.
>> Edited by davidy on Saturday 19th October 17:34
PetrolTed said: A point to remember is that being a TVR main dealer is far from being a licence to print money. Plenty of dealers have come and gone in the last five years. An unsually high number in fact given the specialist nature of the marque.
Perhaps if they want to sort it out the following would be a blueprint for success:
1) Stop making 4 car model ranges which all cost 40k, - its radical thinking but look at any other manufacturer out there and go for a 25/35/45/55K line up! Its a bit like Morgan bringing out 4 versions of the aero 8 or BMW releasing 4 diffent M3's concurrently???
2) Stop making multiple cars which fulfill the same brief ie. offer 2 seats, low practicality, a 40k price tag and blistering performance.
3) Build a proper entry level car - a bit different, perhaps a bit less power with a bit more handling (ala Elise) say 28k with a 2.5V6. Mass produced to remove reliability worries and cheaper to run.
4) Perhaps sacrifice 5-10% of the performance in return for a similar improvement in quality.
5) Stop announcing new models which dries up the demand for the old ones, particularly if you cant build the new ones for a bit. ie Tuscan delays and Griff sp 6.
Bennno
bennno said:
Perhaps if they want to sort it out the following would be a blueprint for success:etc
Now we are getting somewhere, for the last 3/4 years, TVR dealers have been pleading with the factory to do exactly what has been suggested in the above reply, however TVR don't pay to much attention to dealers or anyone else for that matter. Still we can hope can't we?
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