Cheap nasty tyres spotted
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What The Deuces said:
Countdown said:
The "Ah but what happens if a child steps out in front of you and you have to brake hard" argument is as ridiculous as suggesting we all need to drive around in an M1 Abrams just in case somebody launches an RPG-7 at us
Shall we all not wear seatbelts then because we dont plan on having an accident ....Im still wondering why speed limits are "arbitrary / imposed for political reasons" but the Government chooses not t increase tyre tread limits.
ETA I heard on a podcast yesterday that the UK has the safest roads out of any country within the OECD (in terms of KSI per miles travelled).
Countdown said:
What The Deuces said:
Countdown said:
The "Ah but what happens if a child steps out in front of you and you have to brake hard" argument is as ridiculous as suggesting we all need to drive around in an M1 Abrams just in case somebody launches an RPG-7 at us
Shall we all not wear seatbelts then because we dont plan on having an accident ....Im still wondering why speed limits are "arbitrary / imposed for political reasons" but the Government chooses not t increase tyre tread limits.
ETA I heard on a podcast yesterday that the UK has the safest roads out of any country within the OECD (in terms of KSI per miles travelled).
The speed limit point wasn't mine, but many exist for reasons other than safety, noise being one well known reason, emissions another.
Whatever speed youre doing, youre safer on a set of mid range tyres than a set of Linglongs. I think tyre performance is not legislated as its too hard to test, that's the only reason.
What The Deuces said:
Well avoided lol (wouldnt be saying that on 4mm of Linglong in the wet)
The speed limit point wasn't mine, but many exist for reasons other than safety, noise being one well known reason, emissions another.
Whatever speed youre doing, youre safer on a set of mid range tyres than a set of Linglongs. I think tyre performance is not legislated as its too hard to test, that's the only reason.
re: tyre performance there must be some kind of logic behind the 1.6mm threshold? Also, if tyre performance was such an issue in terms of KSI wouldn't it be easier to increase this to either 2mm or 3mm?The speed limit point wasn't mine, but many exist for reasons other than safety, noise being one well known reason, emissions another.
Whatever speed youre doing, youre safer on a set of mid range tyres than a set of Linglongs. I think tyre performance is not legislated as its too hard to test, that's the only reason.
What The Deuce said:
Whatever speed you're doing, you're safer on a set of mid range tyres than a set of Linglongs. I think tyre performance is not legislated as its too hard to test, that's the only reason.
Why do people keep dumping on Linglong (other than perhaps because of the childish ridiculing of the name).Yes, their initial products (the old LS range) were truly terrible, but was nearly 2 decades ago and they've come on in leaps and bounds since. Their Greenmax HP010 is actually a decent product and arguably a better proposition than some of the so called Eco tyres from the big names as it possesses a modicum of grip. No, it can't match a Pilot Sport but it isn't competing with one either.
I can remember when Kumho was the terrible tyre with the silly name, but they went from crap to line-fit on VWs and Mercedes...
Evercross said:
What The Deuce said:
Whatever speed you're doing, you're safer on a set of mid range tyres than a set of Linglongs. I think tyre performance is not legislated as its too hard to test, that's the only reason.
Why do people keep dumping on Linglong (other than perhaps because of the childish ridiculing of the name).Yes, their initial products (the old LS range) were truly terrible, but was nearly 2 decades ago and they've come on in leaps and bounds since. Their Greenmax HP010 is actually a decent product and arguably a better proposition than some of the so called Eco tyres from the big names as it possesses a modicum of grip. No, it can't match a Pilot Sport but it isn't competing with one either.
I can remember when Kumho was the terrible tyre with the silly name, but they went from crap to line-fit on VWs and Mercedes...
Countdown said:
LunarOne said:
When you choose to speed, you're choosing to exceed an arbitrary speed limit which has often been set not for safety but for political reasons. Witness all the 60mph roads which have had 40mph limits applied. Were they unsafe before? I'd argue not.
In my experience they're not arbitrary. That's why speed limits in built-up areas are 30mph, and why they're generally higher on quieter roads. To be honest arguing about speed limits on PH is like arguing with an obese person who thinks that calorie information is arbitrary and done for "political reasons". We all get an adrenaline buzz out of driving fast. Speed limits tend to curtail our ability to drive fast. Let's not pretend the resentment and ignoring of speed limits is anything other than thatTrue Story.
Picked up a used car last year and it was a bit wobbly above 70.
Took it to Halfords for tracking and the guy came out looked around and said the tyres are the problem they are cheap s
t.
Yeah they have 6mm tread all around and the last owners obviously replaced them not too long ago.
I’ve never heard of them but had a quick google.
Turns out it’s native to Halfords !
https://www.halfords.com/tyres/ilink/thunder-u09-t...
To be fair they are st. I get better handling on Cross climates in my leaf than these tyres on the other car.
Picked up a used car last year and it was a bit wobbly above 70.
Took it to Halfords for tracking and the guy came out looked around and said the tyres are the problem they are cheap s
t.Yeah they have 6mm tread all around and the last owners obviously replaced them not too long ago.
I’ve never heard of them but had a quick google.
Turns out it’s native to Halfords !
https://www.halfords.com/tyres/ilink/thunder-u09-t...
To be fair they are s
t. I get better handling on Cross climates in my leaf than these tyres on the other car.MightyBadger said:
Darinz said:
I noticed in Germany a few years ago that I struggled to ever spot a cheap tyre, no matter the car... I would say it was 99% premium brands, matching too.
Assuming you were out there buying cars?First thing I clocked was an old S-type that looked a bit knackered but OK, about expected for the age, then noticed it has Pilot Sport 4s all round. Thinking that that would probably have a mix of crap on it in the UK, I then looked at a lot of cars tyres while I was wandering aimlessly!
Since I have been back to Germany subsequently, I didn't pay so much attention to tyres - I just trust that the Germans care about it. ;-)
What The Deuces said:
We can only assume from this that you work on commission for Linglong.
I'm a (semi-retired) civil servant currently contracted to Glasgow City Council, who also happens to have spent most of his free weekends working in cars and most of my summers driving around Europe.Please point me in the direction of this commission as it might help supplement my pension and pay for another road trip to Como via the Oberalp Pass.
Edited by Evercross on Thursday 20th July 14:18
LunarOne said:
They are arbitrary. Someone (or more likely a committee) plucked a number out of thin air. No mathematical formulae have been applied to arrive at an answer. Almost all of the single-carriageway NSLs near me have been brought down to 40mph, and it has nothing to do with excessive accident rates as these are safe roads with very few accidents. These are roads which were for all the decades I have been alive, deemed safe to drive at 60mph on in good conditions. Now suddenly it's not. Total nonsense. They have been brought down under the banner of reducing emissions, but I suspect the real reason is an attempt to reduce the payouts the council have to keep making for damage to vehicles due to potholes. A vehicle hitting a pothole at higher speed is likely to suffer more damage, and a vehicle hitting a pothole at higher speed is likely to make the pothole bigger/deeper.
CT thread is in the lounge.Evercross said:
What The Deuces said:
We can only assume from this that you work on commission for Linglong.
I'm a (semi-retired) civil servant currently contracted to Glasgow City Council, who also happens to have spent most of his free weekends working in cars and most of my summers driving around Europe.Please point me in the direction of this commission as it might help supplement my pension and pay for another road trip to Como via the Oberalp Pass.
Edited by Evercross on Thursday 20th July 14:18
If it helps build bridges i've undertaken many road trips to and round Italy and its a great way to spend some time. Enjoy your next trip.
Evercross said:
What The Deuces said:
If it helps build bridges i've undertaken many road trips to and round Italy and its a great way to spend some time. Enjoy your next trip.
I'm there just now. I'm writing this from a beach home on the Tuscan coast. I got here on Nexens FWIW.You still have some way to fall
Countdown said:
LunarOne said:
They are arbitrary. Someone (or more likely a committee) plucked a number out of thin air. No mathematical formulae have been applied to arrive at an answer.
It's like calories - completely arbitrary and picked out of the air 
LunarOne said:
Countdown said:
LunarOne said:
They are arbitrary. Someone (or more likely a committee) plucked a number out of thin air. No mathematical formulae have been applied to arrive at an answer.
It's like calories - completely arbitrary and picked out of the air There are two roads near to me that over the last 10-15 years have changed from NSL to 50. I personally know 3 people who have had accidents on one of them and somebody at school totalled his dad's car on the other one. Both roads were really nice to drive - lots of curves, generally good visibility, a mix of bends, climbs and dips. However they could catch you out if you were going too fast / not paying attention. It's a shame that one of them is now covered by ASCs and the other one has had speed cameras added to it but it wasn't done arbitrarily. It was done because people kept crashing.
I only know about these because they're local but I'd be surprised if a similar process didn't apply to other roads where the speed limits had been reduced.
Countdown said:
We'll have to agree to disagree.
There are two roads near to me that over the last 10-15 years have changed from NSL to 50. I personally know 3 people who have had accidents on one of them and somebody at school totalled his dad's car on the other one. Both roads were really nice to drive - lots of curves, generally good visibility, a mix of bends, climbs and dips. However they could catch you out if you were going too fast / not paying attention. It's a shame that one of them is now covered by ASCs and the other one has had speed cameras added to it but it wasn't done arbitrarily. It was done because people kept crashing.
I only know about these because they're local but I'd be surprised if a similar process didn't apply to other roads where the speed limits had been reduced.
There’s little point is discussing anecdotal exceptions. We all know some of them. There are two roads near to me that over the last 10-15 years have changed from NSL to 50. I personally know 3 people who have had accidents on one of them and somebody at school totalled his dad's car on the other one. Both roads were really nice to drive - lots of curves, generally good visibility, a mix of bends, climbs and dips. However they could catch you out if you were going too fast / not paying attention. It's a shame that one of them is now covered by ASCs and the other one has had speed cameras added to it but it wasn't done arbitrarily. It was done because people kept crashing.
I only know about these because they're local but I'd be surprised if a similar process didn't apply to other roads where the speed limits had been reduced.
In the South, we see vast sections drawn on a map, then get told they are already going to reduce the NSL roads by between 33% and 50%.
Look at Wales. Not only ruined for fun driving, but also for actually getting anywhere. Lots of limits are set below a speed at which I’d drive on a freezing misty night in December. Purely politically motivated.
It’s done because there is a powerful anti-car lobby and they want us taxed out of cars, but criminalising normal driving is also a favourite.
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