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Michaeljnothing said:
Lmao premium, sorry made a spelling mistake Nokian not Nokia, ring a tyre depo, any one in the UK, speak with the manager and ask where they put Nokian tyres, mid range at best, oh and general manager for Nokia now works at sentury that produces Davanti
And yet you're on here singing the praises of "DAVANTI", a brand born out of a marketing meeting with a years trading to it's name?You're not getting it, are you?
Debaser said:
As for the tyres themselves, I'll wait until I've experienced them before making judgement.
I am sure when a magazine brings out positive results of the testing, but it will be all lies..
I have never really got into a debate on a forum before, you guys really love a good argument, but to argue about a brand you have never tried....
It's like saying that tyre is crap, have you used the tyre? No.... So how do you know it's crap? It's made in China.... Kumho is made in China f sake
ohtari said:
And yet you're on here singing the praises of "DAVANTI", a brand born out of a marketing meeting with a years trading to it's name?
You're not getting it, are you?
No you are the one who isnt getting it, it's a new tyre, their first ever tyre and it's had nothing but positive results.... You're not getting it, are you?
Give them the same time as other manufacturers and I am sure it will just continue to get better...
Michaeljnothing said:
ohtari said:
Yet further proof that people that sell tyres tend to know very little about them.
Nokian are a premium brand. It just so happens that they specialise in winter tyres, not summer. They spearheaded the idea of winter oriented rubber.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokian_Tyres
Edited by ohtari on Sunday 31st January 15:20
Edited by nickfrog on Sunday 31st January 19:03
nickfrog said:
Oh my god I can not believe people on here are arguing with someone who sells thousands of tyres a day, listen, Nokian is a mid range brand, they are not a premium brand of tyre like Michelin etc, that's what I am saying, if you put them in the same league as the main manufactures you know nothing about tyres, i have driven on Nokian tyres they are not premium, i also sell them too, believe me they are not premium, go to any decent tyre website and they will be under the mid range section.... Actually they are probably under premium section like openeo... because some people might think they are but everyone in the trade knows they are not premium Edited by Michaeljnothing on Sunday 31st January 19:15
Debaser said:
I guess Davanti will be taken more seriously once they're approved OE fitment for a few major car companies.
As for the tyres themselves, I'll wait until I've experienced them before making judgement.
I agree on your first point, but on the basis of the questionble 'reviews' of the Davanti and unconvincing arguments of the sellers who've posted here I wouldn't be prepared to spend a few hundred quid to experience them when I can get tyres I trust for only a bit more. Until I read proper reviews/tests I simply wouldn't risk it.As for the tyres themselves, I'll wait until I've experienced them before making judgement.
Michaeljnothing said:
nickfrog said:
Oh my god I can not believe people on here are arguing with someone who sells thousands of tyres a day, listen, Nokian is a mid range brand, they are not a premium brand of tyre like Michelin etc, that's what I am saying, if you put them in the same league as the main manufactures you know nothing about tyres, i have driven on Nokian tyres they are not premium, i also sell them too, believe me they are not premium, go to any decent tyre website and they will be under the mid range section.... Actually they are probably under premium section like openeo... because some people might think they are but everyone in the trade knows they are not premium Selling thousands of tyres a day sounds like a sign that you don't know much about tyres based on my experience of your trade.
I work in motorsport where our understanding of tyres is far more advanced than your average tyre trader (that's not difficult, but there are exceptions).
Nokian, from a performance and history POV are a premium tyre. Look at this http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/accessories-tyres/893...
The Hankook, which came last, on the other hand, can be perceived as mid-range, by contrast on performance and history.
Patrick Bateman said:
I trust a tyre depot to be able to put the tyres on the car correctly, anything after that, be it setting the tyres to the correct pressures or torqueing the bolts, you're usually asking too much.
That's my experience too - cross tightening the bolts ? Forget it. I normally have to tell them of that works : I wish I was making that up.Michaeljnothing said:
No you are the one who isnt getting it, it's a new tyre, their first ever tyre and it's had nothing but positive results....
the positive results are only on the Davanti website and as a purchaser you have to review your tyres to get the lifetime guarantee and a chance to win your money back. I'm guessing to qualify you need to do this within 14 days of purchase or similar so it's hardly a independent and qualified review.It's folk just mashing the keys into a website to get a supposed 'lifetime' guarantee and the chance of some money back. I notice the drop down menu defaults to the 5 star rating.
nickfrog said:
Nothing to do with god - how do you rank tyre brands then ? Is there a subjective criteria ? Or do you just go by price - have you read the Wiki page ?
Selling thousands of tyres a day sounds like a sign that you don't know much about tyres based on my experience of your trade.
I work in motorsport where our understanding of tyres is far more advanced than your average tyre trader (that's not difficult, but there are exceptions).
Nokian, from a performance and history POV are a premium tyre. Look at this http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/accessories-tyres/893...
The Hankook, which came last, on the other hand, can be perceived as mid-range, by contrast on performance and history.
I have been working on cars since I was a teenager, i am a qualified mechanic, i sell tyres because there is more money to be made, I still work on cars, i am from Ireland, i work very closely with people who are in motorsport, rallying, drifting, sprints etc so please don't assume. Selling thousands of tyres a day sounds like a sign that you don't know much about tyres based on my experience of your trade.
I work in motorsport where our understanding of tyres is far more advanced than your average tyre trader (that's not difficult, but there are exceptions).
Nokian, from a performance and history POV are a premium tyre. Look at this http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/accessories-tyres/893...
The Hankook, which came last, on the other hand, can be perceived as mid-range, by contrast on performance and history.
Typically people on forums like to think they know everything about everything, I am not one of them I am just backing up some facts, you are into motorsport, different compounds and totally different game for normal Road use, so please don't insult me
Drive Blind said:
the positive results are only on the Davanti website and as a purchaser you have to review your tyres to get the lifetime guarantee and a chance to win your money back. I'm guessing to qualify you need to do this within 14 days of purchase or similar so it's hardly a independent and qualified review.
It's folk just mashing the keys into a website to get a supposed 'lifetime' guarantee and the chance of some money back. I notice the drop down menu defaults to the 5 star rating.
Ooof, that's naughty...It's folk just mashing the keys into a website to get a supposed 'lifetime' guarantee and the chance of some money back. I notice the drop down menu defaults to the 5 star rating.
Michaeljnothing said:
No you are the one who isnt getting it, it's a new tyre, their first ever tyre and it's had nothing but positive results....
This is what I just don't get. Their first ever tyre with limited development and testing and it's supposed to be up there (or even better than, according to Darren Crookes from Tyre Doctor in Sunderland who considers them " the best tyres I’ve ever tried") the likes of Michelin and Pirelli with their massive R&D programmes. Michelin alone total nearly 100 million kms of testing each year for their passenger car tyres with over 6600 people working on their R&D spending over 600 million euros http://www.michelin.com/eng/innovation/research-an...Now Davanti, with their " tight-knit development team of eight", and having existed for less time than it takes Michelin to develop a new tyre are supposed to have come up with a tyre that's even close to those of Michelin in performance with nothing but positive reviews.
Eight in the development team? Pirelli have 150 working on their F1 tyres alone.
TooMany2cvs said:
Drive Blind said:
the positive results are only on the Davanti website and as a purchaser you have to review your tyres to get the lifetime guarantee and a chance to win your money back. I'm guessing to qualify you need to do this within 14 days of purchase or similar so it's hardly a independent and qualified review.
It's folk just mashing the keys into a website to get a supposed 'lifetime' guarantee and the chance of some money back. I notice the drop down menu defaults to the 5 star rating.
Ooof, that's naughty...It's folk just mashing the keys into a website to get a supposed 'lifetime' guarantee and the chance of some money back. I notice the drop down menu defaults to the 5 star rating.
explains a lotMichaeljnothing said:
Typically people on forums like to think they know everything about everything, I am not one of them I am just backing up some facts
I just know Nokian make premium tyres in performance terms as backed up by repeated tests against other premium brands which they beat when mid-range tyres don't : is that factual enough for you ? Have you looked into their Corporate history yet ?Your "facts" about Davanti have been repeatedly debunked in this very thread, as recently as 20.11 today.
Edited by nickfrog on Sunday 31st January 20:18
Tyre threads are always a good laugh - people get so worked up about a product they have never (and likely never will) try.
This thread seems like it was started as part of a poorly thought out low budget marketing plan to give the new brand exposure in the UK. Not sure which bright spark in the Davanti 'marketing team' thought it would be a good idea to get their mate to post it but they should be binned. Asking their network of tyre fitters to jump on and sing the praises is another silly mistake. If they were posting this on mumsnet or another non motoring forum they might get away with it but not here.
When have you ever known a band of merry tyre fitters to descend on PH to defend a new tyre brand before? Also, why does being a tyre fitter make you qualified to have an informed opinion on tyre performance? Most tyre fitters I've come across are only in the job because they can't be trusted to do anything more complicated...
The Davanti website looks like they've paid an amateur £150 to modify a wordpress template. The reviews are laughably fake. One or two a day repeating the same themes which happen to coincide with the marketing messages.
This is simply an attempt to position an 'own brand' cheap tyre as an alternative to mid range lines in order to facilitate a stronger pricepoint and higher margins (which is why the tyre fitters love them). I'd be highly surprised if there was any more R&D going into these than any of the other cheap brands, never mind a comparable amount to the premium brands.
Now none of this means they are necessarily bad tyres but I'd be very surprised if they stand up to the developed mid or premium brand ranges in an independent test - especially if price is taken as a factor. I doubt there is a such a test so we will probably never know...
This thread seems like it was started as part of a poorly thought out low budget marketing plan to give the new brand exposure in the UK. Not sure which bright spark in the Davanti 'marketing team' thought it would be a good idea to get their mate to post it but they should be binned. Asking their network of tyre fitters to jump on and sing the praises is another silly mistake. If they were posting this on mumsnet or another non motoring forum they might get away with it but not here.
When have you ever known a band of merry tyre fitters to descend on PH to defend a new tyre brand before? Also, why does being a tyre fitter make you qualified to have an informed opinion on tyre performance? Most tyre fitters I've come across are only in the job because they can't be trusted to do anything more complicated...
The Davanti website looks like they've paid an amateur £150 to modify a wordpress template. The reviews are laughably fake. One or two a day repeating the same themes which happen to coincide with the marketing messages.
This is simply an attempt to position an 'own brand' cheap tyre as an alternative to mid range lines in order to facilitate a stronger pricepoint and higher margins (which is why the tyre fitters love them). I'd be highly surprised if there was any more R&D going into these than any of the other cheap brands, never mind a comparable amount to the premium brands.
Now none of this means they are necessarily bad tyres but I'd be very surprised if they stand up to the developed mid or premium brand ranges in an independent test - especially if price is taken as a factor. I doubt there is a such a test so we will probably never know...
Hello all.
I am an engineer, working for Davanti Tyres. I have over a decade of experience in the tyre industry, and work with a team of tyre experts who are dedicated to making an excellent tyre.
I have read through the comments on this thread, and I'm pleased to see so many people are interested in our products, and tyre safety in general. For what it's worth, I would just like to throw in my opinion, and company knowledge, on a few of the points raised.
EU Labels and Tyre Testing
Davanti tyres are all tested for their EU label ratings by IDIADA in Spain. IDIADA is one of three independent laboratories in the world that are part of the EU's network of 'reference laboratories', and members of the group for laboratory alignment. The other six members of this group are labs owned by tyre manufacturers (Bridgestone, Michelin, Continental, Pirelli, Goodyear, Apollo Vredestein).
While many of the premium brand manufacturers have their own labs, and can perform their own testing and award EU label scores, this is not the case with Davanti. It is carried out by a totally independent laboratory. There are some documents with more information on the following site:
http://ec.europa.eu/energy/en/topics/energy-effici...
In addition, we also commissioned benchmarking testing of our 205/55R16 DX390, carried out by an independent testing company, to measure performance against leading premium tyres and fellow mid-range tyres. Testing covers wet and dry handling, wet and dry braking and aquaplaning. The results show an ADAC weighted overall score of -2.6 compared with best performing premium tyre.
Davanti History & Availability
Davanti tyres have been on the market for only 9 months. In this time we have built a network of distributors that covers the majority of the UK, but coverage is not yet 100%. Availability is improving every week, and the network will be complete very soon. For commercial reasons, Davanti, like all brands outside the 'big 6', is not universally available across all online sellers.
Although only available for 9 months, the project of creating the products began over 3 years ago. The first 2.5 years were spent developing the products, continually testing and refining designs of tread patterns, construction, and most importantly rubber compounds. All of which are unique to Davanti.
Also during this time the branding was developed. Sure, this was done by a marketing and design agency, but a product needs decent logo, literature etc - our specialism is tyres!
Davanti Reviews & PR
All reviews on the website are real, and from Davanti customers. Some will be experts, many will not be. My advice would be to always listen the opinions of people you know and/or trust. Which obviously excludes me!
In time, more reviews will be available. We are actively submitting tyres for tests with various motoring publications. This thread demonstrates that we still have a way to go in getting enough data in to the public domain.
We are also exhibiting our products at shows across the country and around the world. We recently had a stand directly opposite the entrance to the PistonHeads 'Pie and Piston' pub at Performance Car Show 2016 at the NEC.
Production
Yes, they are made in China. However, the factory is amongst the most advanced in the world. It's only 6 years old, and equipped with the most advanced machinery available. It is highly automated. It doesn't have the 'baggage' of old machinery.
Clearly, great machinery is only as good as the people using/programming it. The design and engineering team consists of highly qualified experts, with considerable industry experience. The brand may have only been on sale for 9 months, but the team's experience goes back a long way, and spans time working with numerous other brands.
Additionally sought out the best manufacturer to create the moulds. The mould has a significant impact of the quality of the finished tyre. This manufacturer also produces mould for Pirelli, Michelin, Goodyear, Conti to name a few.
There are undoubtably some poor quality tyres produced in China. There are poor quality tyres produced in Europe too. It comes down to the modernity of the factory, the consistency of the output, the creativity of the designers and the ingenuity of the engineers.
Summary
Davanti is new to market, and therefore not had the time to prove itself against much longer established brands. Our company has a long way to go to get past the natural wariness of Chinese tyres. Indeed, all brands outside of the 'big 6' have something to prove - the premium brand manufacturers produce products that consistently out-preform other brands on average. That said, not every driver chooses to buy premium brands.
We are working tirelessly to produce the best quality product we can, and investing considerable amounts in to testing, development and high quality equipment. The fact that we produce the tyres in a low cost (but far from lowest cost) country, and that we don't have vast teams working on motorsport etc, means we can bring to the market a tyre that performs very well, but at a price that appeals to a broad section of the market.
I hope I have shed some light on the Davanti brand, and would be very happy to answer any questions anybody has about our products.
Thanks.
I am an engineer, working for Davanti Tyres. I have over a decade of experience in the tyre industry, and work with a team of tyre experts who are dedicated to making an excellent tyre.
I have read through the comments on this thread, and I'm pleased to see so many people are interested in our products, and tyre safety in general. For what it's worth, I would just like to throw in my opinion, and company knowledge, on a few of the points raised.
EU Labels and Tyre Testing
Davanti tyres are all tested for their EU label ratings by IDIADA in Spain. IDIADA is one of three independent laboratories in the world that are part of the EU's network of 'reference laboratories', and members of the group for laboratory alignment. The other six members of this group are labs owned by tyre manufacturers (Bridgestone, Michelin, Continental, Pirelli, Goodyear, Apollo Vredestein).
While many of the premium brand manufacturers have their own labs, and can perform their own testing and award EU label scores, this is not the case with Davanti. It is carried out by a totally independent laboratory. There are some documents with more information on the following site:
http://ec.europa.eu/energy/en/topics/energy-effici...
In addition, we also commissioned benchmarking testing of our 205/55R16 DX390, carried out by an independent testing company, to measure performance against leading premium tyres and fellow mid-range tyres. Testing covers wet and dry handling, wet and dry braking and aquaplaning. The results show an ADAC weighted overall score of -2.6 compared with best performing premium tyre.
Davanti History & Availability
Davanti tyres have been on the market for only 9 months. In this time we have built a network of distributors that covers the majority of the UK, but coverage is not yet 100%. Availability is improving every week, and the network will be complete very soon. For commercial reasons, Davanti, like all brands outside the 'big 6', is not universally available across all online sellers.
Although only available for 9 months, the project of creating the products began over 3 years ago. The first 2.5 years were spent developing the products, continually testing and refining designs of tread patterns, construction, and most importantly rubber compounds. All of which are unique to Davanti.
Also during this time the branding was developed. Sure, this was done by a marketing and design agency, but a product needs decent logo, literature etc - our specialism is tyres!
Davanti Reviews & PR
All reviews on the website are real, and from Davanti customers. Some will be experts, many will not be. My advice would be to always listen the opinions of people you know and/or trust. Which obviously excludes me!
In time, more reviews will be available. We are actively submitting tyres for tests with various motoring publications. This thread demonstrates that we still have a way to go in getting enough data in to the public domain.
We are also exhibiting our products at shows across the country and around the world. We recently had a stand directly opposite the entrance to the PistonHeads 'Pie and Piston' pub at Performance Car Show 2016 at the NEC.
Production
Yes, they are made in China. However, the factory is amongst the most advanced in the world. It's only 6 years old, and equipped with the most advanced machinery available. It is highly automated. It doesn't have the 'baggage' of old machinery.
Clearly, great machinery is only as good as the people using/programming it. The design and engineering team consists of highly qualified experts, with considerable industry experience. The brand may have only been on sale for 9 months, but the team's experience goes back a long way, and spans time working with numerous other brands.
Additionally sought out the best manufacturer to create the moulds. The mould has a significant impact of the quality of the finished tyre. This manufacturer also produces mould for Pirelli, Michelin, Goodyear, Conti to name a few.
There are undoubtably some poor quality tyres produced in China. There are poor quality tyres produced in Europe too. It comes down to the modernity of the factory, the consistency of the output, the creativity of the designers and the ingenuity of the engineers.
Summary
Davanti is new to market, and therefore not had the time to prove itself against much longer established brands. Our company has a long way to go to get past the natural wariness of Chinese tyres. Indeed, all brands outside of the 'big 6' have something to prove - the premium brand manufacturers produce products that consistently out-preform other brands on average. That said, not every driver chooses to buy premium brands.
We are working tirelessly to produce the best quality product we can, and investing considerable amounts in to testing, development and high quality equipment. The fact that we produce the tyres in a low cost (but far from lowest cost) country, and that we don't have vast teams working on motorsport etc, means we can bring to the market a tyre that performs very well, but at a price that appeals to a broad section of the market.
I hope I have shed some light on the Davanti brand, and would be very happy to answer any questions anybody has about our products.
Thanks.
antiok said:
Tyre threads are always a good laugh - people get so worked up about a product they have never (and likely never will) try.
This thread seems like it was started as part of a poorly thought out low budget marketing plan to give the new brand exposure in the UK. Not sure which bright spark in the Davanti 'marketing team' thought it would be a good idea to get their mate to post it but they should be binned. Asking their network of tyre fitters to jump on and sing the praises is another silly mistake. If they were posting this on mumsnet or another non motoring forum they might get away with it but not here.
When have you ever known a band of merry tyre fitters to descend on PH to defend a new tyre brand before? Also, why does being a tyre fitter make you qualified to have an informed opinion on tyre performance? Most tyre fitters I've come across are only in the job because they can't be trusted to do anything more complicated...
The Davanti website looks like they've paid an amateur £150 to modify a wordpress template. The reviews are laughably fake. One or two a day repeating the same themes which happen to coincide with the marketing messages.
This is simply an attempt to position an 'own brand' cheap tyre as an alternative to mid range lines in order to facilitate a stronger pricepoint and higher margins (which is why the tyre fitters love them). I'd be highly surprised if there was any more R&D going into these than any of the other cheap brands, never mind a comparable amount to the premium brands.
Now none of this means they are necessarily bad tyres but I'd be very surprised if they stand up to the developed mid or premium brand ranges in an independent test - especially if price is taken as a factor. I doubt there is a such a test so we will probably never know...
What???? I came across this as I was looking for Davanti reviews online as i was curious to see if there was any magazines who had done a review, and seen someone who was looking to know a bit more about the brand on piston heads, the same person asked the same question on a BMW forum because he drives a BMW, so I wanted to give some advice, but all the forum trolls jumped all over it and try to put down a brand who are new into the market, i do not work for Davanti, as I have stated before, I sell them for a separate company in a different country... F sakeThis thread seems like it was started as part of a poorly thought out low budget marketing plan to give the new brand exposure in the UK. Not sure which bright spark in the Davanti 'marketing team' thought it would be a good idea to get their mate to post it but they should be binned. Asking their network of tyre fitters to jump on and sing the praises is another silly mistake. If they were posting this on mumsnet or another non motoring forum they might get away with it but not here.
When have you ever known a band of merry tyre fitters to descend on PH to defend a new tyre brand before? Also, why does being a tyre fitter make you qualified to have an informed opinion on tyre performance? Most tyre fitters I've come across are only in the job because they can't be trusted to do anything more complicated...
The Davanti website looks like they've paid an amateur £150 to modify a wordpress template. The reviews are laughably fake. One or two a day repeating the same themes which happen to coincide with the marketing messages.
This is simply an attempt to position an 'own brand' cheap tyre as an alternative to mid range lines in order to facilitate a stronger pricepoint and higher margins (which is why the tyre fitters love them). I'd be highly surprised if there was any more R&D going into these than any of the other cheap brands, never mind a comparable amount to the premium brands.
Now none of this means they are necessarily bad tyres but I'd be very surprised if they stand up to the developed mid or premium brand ranges in an independent test - especially if price is taken as a factor. I doubt there is a such a test so we will probably never know...
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