Davanti Tyres

[Michaeljnothing]

tyreEng said:

Hello all.

I am an engineer, working for Davanti Tyres. I have over a decade of experience in the tyre industry, and work with a team of tyre experts who are dedicated to making an excellent tyre.

I have read through the comments on this thread, and I'm pleased to see so many people are interested in our products, and tyre safety in general. For what it's worth, I would just like to throw in my opinion, and company knowledge, on a few of the points raised.

EU Labels and Tyre Testing

Davanti tyres are all tested for their EU label ratings by IDIADA in Spain. IDIADA is one of three independent laboratories in the world that are part of the EU's network of 'reference laboratories', and members of the group for laboratory alignment. The other six members of this group are labs owned by tyre manufacturers (Bridgestone, Michelin, Continental, Pirelli, Goodyear, Apollo Vredestein).

While many of the premium brand manufacturers have their own labs, and can perform their own testing and award EU label scores, this is not the case with Davanti. It is carried out by a totally independent laboratory. There are some documents with more information on the following site:

http://ec.europa.eu/energy/en/topics/energy-effici...

In addition, we also commissioned benchmarking testing of our 205/55R16 DX390, carried out by an independent testing company, to measure performance against leading premium tyres and fellow mid-range tyres. Testing covers wet and dry handling, wet and dry braking and aquaplaning. The results show an ADAC weighted overall score of -2.6 compared with best performing premium tyre.

Davanti History & Availability

Davanti tyres have been on the market for only 9 months. In this time we have built a network of distributors that covers the majority of the UK, but coverage is not yet 100%. Availability is improving every week, and the network will be complete very soon. For commercial reasons, Davanti, like all brands outside the 'big 6', is not universally available across all online sellers.

Although only available for 9 months, the project of creating the products began over 3 years ago. The first 2.5 years were spent developing the products, continually testing and refining designs of tread patterns, construction, and most importantly rubber compounds. All of which are unique to Davanti.

Also during this time the branding was developed. Sure, this was done by a marketing and design agency, but a product needs decent logo, literature etc - our specialism is tyres!

Davanti Reviews & PR

All reviews on the website are real, and from Davanti customers. Some will be experts, many will not be. My advice would be to always listen the opinions of people you know and/or trust. Which obviously excludes me!

In time, more reviews will be available. We are actively submitting tyres for tests with various motoring publications. This thread demonstrates that we still have a way to go in getting enough data in to the public domain.

We are also exhibiting our products at shows across the country and around the world. We recently had a stand directly opposite the entrance to the PistonHeads 'Pie and Piston' pub at Performance Car Show 2016 at the NEC.

Production

Yes, they are made in China. However, the factory is amongst the most advanced in the world. It's only 6 years old, and equipped with the most advanced machinery available. It is highly automated. It doesn't have the 'baggage' of old machinery.

Clearly, great machinery is only as good as the people using/programming it. The design and engineering team consists of highly qualified experts, with considerable industry experience. The brand may have only been on sale for 9 months, but the team's experience goes back a long way, and spans time working with numerous other brands.

Additionally sought out the best manufacturer to create the moulds. The mould has a significant impact of the quality of the finished tyre. This manufacturer also produces mould for Pirelli, Michelin, Goodyear, Conti to name a few.

There are undoubtably some poor quality tyres produced in China. There are poor quality tyres produced in Europe too. It comes down to the modernity of the factory, the consistency of the output, the creativity of the designers and the ingenuity of the engineers.

Summary

Davanti is new to market, and therefore not had the time to prove itself against much longer established brands. Our company has a long way to go to get past the natural wariness of Chinese tyres. Indeed, all brands outside of the 'big 6' have something to prove - the premium brand manufacturers produce products that consistently out-preform other brands on average. That said, not every driver chooses to buy premium brands.

We are working tirelessly to produce the best quality product we can, and investing considerable amounts in to testing, development and high quality equipment. The fact that we produce the tyres in a low cost (but far from lowest cost) country, and that we don't have vast teams working on motorsport etc, means we can bring to the market a tyre that performs very well, but at a price that appeals to a broad section of the market.

I hope I have shed some light on the Davanti brand, and would be very happy to answer any questions anybody has about our products.

Thanks.

Well said!

[ljw2k]

antiok If you think I have some sort of relationship with Devanti then I'm sorry to upset you but I don't. I think your comments would be more suited to comics or sci fiction.

ljw2k sits back with the popcorn and a drink.

Edited by ljw2k on Sunday 31st January 21:32

[technodup]

antiok said:

This thread seems like it was started as part of a poorly thought out low budget marketing plan to give the new brand exposure in the UK.

Job done. If true, far from being silly a whole lot more people have now heard of them who otherwise hadn't, me included. For free.

And remember a lot of those people will be viewers rather than posters and might just take a more relaxed stance re trying them out.

I love the fact some folk smell a rat, call the rat out then pat themselves on the back for it, like it makes any difference. The non believers won't be swayed, the open minded will stay open minded. But Davanti have been at the top of the forum for a week. Other companies pay for that privilege.

[ljw2k]

technodup said:

ob done. If true, far from being silly a whole lot more people have now heard of them who otherwise hadn't, me included. For free.

And remember a lot of those people will be viewers rather than posters and might just take a more relaxed stance re trying them out.

I love the fact some folk smell a rat, call the rat out then pat themselves on the back for it, like it makes any difference. The non believers won't be swayed, the open minded will stay open minded. But Davanti have been at the top of the forum for a week. Other companies pay for that privilege.

And they can't be arsed to answer an Email I sent at the beginning of the week ...Bad Show Davanti.

[aeropilot]

nickfrog said:

Michaeljnothing said:

Typically people on forums like to think they know everything about everything, I am not one of them I am just backing up some facts

I just know Nokian make premium tyres in performance terms as backed up by repeated tests against other premium brands which they beat when mid-range tyres don't : is that factual enough for you ?

My tyre fitters agree that Nokian are up there with the well known premium winter tyre makers....they said as much when spotting the WR A3's on the front of my 135i.

[Hamish Finn]

ljw2k said:

And they can't be arsed to answer an Email I sent at the beginning of the week ...Bad Show Davanti.

Is this the email where you've asked for a discount if you offer a "review" on a "well known motoring forum"?

[jon-]

aeropilot said:

nickfrog said:

Michaeljnothing said:

Typically people on forums like to think they know everything about everything, I am not one of them I am just backing up some facts

I just know Nokian make premium tyres in performance terms as backed up by repeated tests against other premium brands which they beat when mid-range tyres don't : is that factual enough for you ?

My tyre fitters agree that Nokian are up there with the well known premium winter tyre makers....they said as much when spotting the WR A3's on the front of my 135i.

Arguing brand categories is a dangerous thing, trust me!

Nokian without a doubt make a premium product, but so do Yokohama (who consider themselves premium.) When calling a brand premium in the industry, the big 6 not only make excellent products, but have the market share and OE fitment to back up that positioning.

The next brand to trouble the big 6 will be Hankook.

[Hamish Finn]

tyreEng said:

Also during this time the branding was developed. Sure, this was done by a marketing and design agency, but a product needs decent logo, literature etc - our specialism is tyres!

A "marketing and design agency" who advised calling the product "Davanti"? It radiates cheap and naff! Who signed that one off?

[Driver101]

ljw2k said:

antiok If you think I have some sort of relationship with Devanti then I'm sorry to upset you but I don't. I think your comments would be more suited to comics or sci fiction.

ljw2k sits back with the popcorn and a drink.

Edited by ljw2k on Sunday 31st January 21:32

You've been a member of this forum for 3.5 years. You've made 31 posts in total, with 29 in this thread.

It does seem hugely strange that someone that has barely had any activity on the forum suddenly becomes very active about fitting tyres. There's hundreds of brands of tyres, with names popping up all the time, and changing tyres is a common job for car users.

Why these tyres have stirred you up so much makes little sense. Even when you've been actively posting in this thread, you've still not posted in any other thread when on.

I'm sure most people are reading this and thinking you've got a motive as your behaviour isn't normal.

[xjay1337]

Michaeljnothing said:

xjay1337 said:

Tread pattern is largely irrelevant. Look at accelera alpha phi and continental sport contact 3. Identicle tread pattern. Guess which is 35% longer to stop in the wet.

Moist.

Strong words! I wouldn't say largely irrelevant, it's basically the same pattern your right, most of the patterns these days are very much alike, it's to do with the technology into the tyre, quality rubber and silica, to be honest i sell accellera as well, I don't think they are a great tyre but I do get customers asking for them, I had them years ago when I bought an mgtf they came on the back and they were honestly terrible in the wet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2c9Ry0JfMw

[anonymous-user]

I bought Michelin Cross climates 4 months ago (check my posts on winter tyres thread), never really bought premium tyres before stuck to kuhmos and Toyos.

They have been great in the wet weather and even with no solid review information I took a punt and they have played off. I think Davanti tyres wouldn't be on my list unless they performs as well as a premium tyre but cost the same as a medium tyre, which I just don't think they do.

[ljw2k]

Driver101 said:

You've been a member of this forum for 3.5 years. You've made 31 posts in total, with 29 in this thread.

It does seem hugely strange that someone that has barely had any activity on the forum suddenly becomes very active about fitting tyres. There's hundreds of brands of tyres, with names popping up all the time, and changing tyres is a common job for car users.

Why these tyres have stirred you up so much makes little sense. Even when you've been actively posting in this thread, you've still not posted in any other thread when on.

I'm sure most people are reading this and thinking you've got a motive as your behaviour isn't normal.

Just because I have not posted doesn't mean I have a part in or work for Davanti does it!.

All my past cars was nothing to talk about but now I do have a car worth talking about and care about I thought it would be a good idea to make a thread on PH. I have been a member on various other forums that would make your post count look low so I would be more happier if you keep your speculation to yourself or refrain posting on my thread.

I would not think posting on a car forum in regards to a brand of tyre would be abnormal behaviour more so abnormal is your above post which is nothing to do with tyres and is just about trying to convince yourself is a matter of fact.

Please no need to reply as your posts bore me and probably many more members.

AGAIN just for you I have no connections with Davanti nor work own have any shares in the company and my initial post was a genuine enquiry.

[wibblebrain]

ljw2k said:

I made the post here asking for advise.

I think it's advice you are looking for; you've had some:

"Don't bother with cheap tyres from a brand nobody's ever heard of. They're more than likely st and it isn't worth the risk."

[ljw2k]

wibblebrain said:

I think it's advice you are looking for; you've had some:

"Don't bother with cheap tyres from a brand nobody's ever heard of. They're more than likely st and it isn't worth the risk."

Advise from people as yourself is useless and pointless, you have obviously never heard of yet alone had the opportunity to test the Davanti brand so how you can "Assume" they are crap takes me back 18 pages of this thread.

I think it is only a matter of time we will get the real advise from those people who have real world testing and more so magazines and more tyre reviews from online independent websites.

[Driver101]

ljw2k said:

Just because I have not posted doesn't mean I have a part in or work for Davanti does it!.

All my past cars was nothing to talk about but now I do have a car worth talking about and care about I thought it would be a good idea to make a thread on PH. I have been a member on various other forums that would make your post count look low so I would be more happier if you keep your speculation to yourself or refrain posting on my thread.

I would not think posting on a car forum in regards to a brand of tyre would be abnormal behaviour more so abnormal is your above post which is nothing to do with tyres and is just about trying to convince yourself is a matter of fact.

Please no need to reply as your posts bore me and probably many more members.

AGAIN just for you I have no connections with Davanti nor work own have any shares in the company and my initial post was a genuine enquiry.

Just because you post, it doesn't mean you have any connections with the company. However given your previous participation on the forum, it does look very odd that you suddenly want to discus an unknown brand in so much depth. There's hundreds of other brands out there, it's strange that this one brand means so much to you.

I never said that it was unusual for someone to post about tyres on a car forum. It is unusual to see someone that had only posted 2 times in 3.5 years, suddenly become passionate about an unheard of brand of tyre. Tyre threads normally die after a few pages, not run on for countless pages with a defensive OP.

There's hundreds of unknown brands and there's also lots of tried, tested and trusted tyres. If you're really that concerned, buy something that is a known quantity.

Did your previous cars not need tyres?

Unless I've missed it, you've not actually said anything about this new car you're proud of. I can't see any threads about it or joining in the brand specific parts of the forum.

Stay out your thread? You are aware this is an open forum for anyone to post?

Edited by Driver101 on Monday 1st February 00:38

[underwhelmist]

ljw2k said:

Advise from people as yourself is useless and pointless, you have obviously never heard of yet alone had the opportunity to test the Davanti brand so how you can "Assume" they are crap takes me back 18 pages of this thread.

I think it is only a matter of time we will get the real advise from those people who have real world testing and more so magazines and more tyre reviews from online independent websites.

Advice. The word is "Advice".

[ljw2k]

Driver101 said:

Just because you post, it doesn't mean you have any connections with the company. However given your previous participation on the forum, it does look very odd that you suddenly want to discus an unknown brand in so much depth. There's hundreds of other brands out there, it's strange that this one brand means so much to you.

I never said that it was unusual for someone to post about tyres on a car forum. It is unusual to see someone that had only posted 2 times in 3.5 years, suddenly become passionate about an unheard of brand of tyre. Tyre threads normally die after a few pages, not run on for countless pages with a defensive OP.

There's hundreds of unknown brands and there's also lots of tried, tested and trusted tyres. If you're really that concerned, but something that is a known quantity.

Did your previous cars not need tyres?

Unless I've missed it, you've not actually said anything about this new car you're proud of. I can't see any threads about it or joining in the brand specific parts of the forum.

Stay out your thread? You are aware this is an open forum for anyone to post?

I didn't know I had to post a specific thread on a certain date as its an open forum as you have stated I posted a thread in regards to Davanti tyres asking was they any good as my tyre fitter has highly recommended them. No where have I said they are the dogs b@ll@cks buy them as like you I have never heard of them before hence why the post on here PH a car forum.

I have already stated I will most likely be getting the Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 3 when the rear sizes start to come in stock for my car.

The car I drive at the moment is a BMW 535D F10 which currently booted with Goodyear Excellence Run Flats which I personally dislike ( A lot ).

Of course it is an open forum just look above people looking and marking you as you are in an English GSE class , Ok I made a mistake but no need for the prefect ( Mr Punctuation above )to come along and state that.

Edited by ljw2k on Monday 1st February 00:36

[Janesy B]

Given the fact that no one else has bothered to spend their money on them, you can assume they're a waste of time so you can buy some cheap tyres and get on with your life or spend weeks arguing on the internet about it...

[ljw2k]

Not arguing mate and most the replies on this thread has been between other members themselves nothing to do with my thread title.

I'm happy to conclude that until further testing and time I will stick to what I have already said above.

Edited by ljw2k on Monday 1st February 00:50

[CS Garth]

On the basis that no one this thread has any link to devanti i assume we shall we conclude they are generic Chinese tyres with average at best potential until a trustworthy objective test proves otherwise?