Winter tyres vol 2

[seiben]

Bill said:

How does the Goodyear Wrangler HP AllWeather do? Goodyear claim all sorts of witchcraft for it: "As the name suggests, this tyre is prepared for all seasons. It’s all thanks to SmartTRED Weather Reactive Technology, which reads the roads and adapts the behaviour of the tyre. Easy."

I've a set of these on a Grand Cherokee I've just bought... I'd be interested to see whether they're worth hanging onto!

[jon-]

Bill said:

Cheers.

As you're here... How does the Goodyear Wrangler HP AllWeather do? Goodyear claim all sorts of witchcraft for it: "As the name suggests, this tyre is prepared for all seasons. It’s all thanks to SmartTRED Weather Reactive Technology, which reads the roads and adapts the behaviour of the tyre. Easy."

I've linked this a few times before, it's probably the only reference I've seen with winter marked AT tyres tested against proper all season:

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2018-Auto-Bil...

The AllWeather is a great SUV tyre, but it won't match a proper all season / winter in snow / ice. It will be a little better than a summer tyre though.

[anonymous-user]

Bought a Mini Clubman SD F54 in Summer and was hoping to purchase a set of steel wheels for winter.

Unfortunately, the brake callipers are too big and they will not fit.

As people have mentioned before the Autoexpress Winter tyre test had

1st. Continental TS 860
2nd. Hankook's i*cept RS2

The Mini has Runflat tyres so the choices seem to be limited.

Continental ContiWinterContact TS830P SSR or the Hankook Winter I*cept Evo2 W320b HRS

The Continental is clearly not the same one as the Autoexpress test but has anyone got any feedback on which would be best between the two?

North East Scotland so the roads can get a bit crazy.

I could ditch the Runflat and go for normal tyres if better tyres are recommended and risk it or try and find alloys to fit the car.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

[RicksAlfas]

I don't know what size you need, but Nokian do runflats in some of their ranges.

[jon-]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

Bought a Mini Clubman SD F54 in Summer and was hoping to purchase a set of steel wheels for winter.

Unfortunately, the brake callipers are too big and they will not fit.

As people have mentioned before the Autoexpress Winter tyre test had

1st. Continental TS 860
2nd. Hankook's i*cept RS2

The Mini has Runflat tyres so the choices seem to be limited.

Continental ContiWinterContact TS830P SSR or the Hankook Winter I*cept Evo2 W320b HRS

The Continental is clearly not the same one as the Autoexpress test but has anyone got any feedback on which would be best between the two?

North East Scotland so the roads can get a bit crazy.

I could ditch the Runflat and go for normal tyres if better tyres are recommended and risk it or try and find alloys to fit the car.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

The 830P is kinda old now but still an excellent tyres, but I'd probably aim for the Hankook. Lots of people ditch runflats for winter running, but that's a choices you need to make, we can't help with that.

[anonymous-user]

jon- said:

The 830P is kinda old now but still an excellent tyres, but I'd probably aim for the Hankook. Lots of people ditch runflats for winter running, but that's a choices you need to make, we can't help with that.

Appreciate that advice mate. Yes thinking about ditching the runflats as I do have roadside assistance package.

Thank you to RicksAlfas as well

[anonymous-user]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

Ebay - find a set of wheels / tyres from an ex-Owner that suit the specific Clubman, best, easiest and hassle free option.....

This would be my preference.

Contacted Mini 2 days ago and they are trying to figure out which size will fit. As mentioned above the brake calipers are the issue according to the parts guy. He is filling in for someone so perhaps that's the issue.

Stated 16" then came back saying only 17" but now looking at it again.

Hopefully get an answer and can take it from there.

[anonymous-user]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

I only say all this as a Neighbour (mentioned in this thread) had the same fk on with his 'unusual' BMW 1 series.
Apparently his 123d has the same problem you likely have - bigger callipers and the jump from the readily available 16" steelies on the inter web, to the need for 17" Alloys with Winters.

He's got a redundant / misbought set of 16's" back on ebay, but an immaculate set of 17" Alloys and Blizzaks with probably 6mm of tread on them for £225 now fitted.
I'd do that.....

I really can't see 16" fitting hence why I wanted to check but Mini who seem to have no idea either.

Funny thing is they can't offer a winter package deal as they don't have any. Wasn't going to buy but find that very strange.

If the 123d is 17" then I would be more inclined to go with that advice.

£225 fitted is a fantastic deal.

Going to have a good look at eBay.

Thank you again mate.

Great advice

[tobinen]

jon- said:

Bill said:

But on their website it quotes a test where the Quatrac came first on a Golf.

The Quatrac 5 has both normal and SUV sizes, though they're replacing the Quatrac 5 next year so they might be phasing out sizes.

I think that's probably the (my) issue in that 235/60 R16 (my size) is or was a common size for an SUV but not a coupe. Anyway, the load rating is 100 which is spot on.

[jon-]

tobinen said:

jon- said:

Bill said:

But on their website it quotes a test where the Quatrac came first on a Golf.

The Quatrac 5 has both normal and SUV sizes, though they're replacing the Quatrac 5 next year so they might be phasing out sizes.

I think that's probably the (my) issue in that 235/60 R16 (my size) is or was a common size for an SUV but not a coupe. Anyway, the load rating is 100 which is spot on.

Ah, that makes sense. That's a new crossover SUV size, but as Vred have said it'll be fine on a car as long as the load ratings match up

[LDN]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

jon- said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

Bought a Mini Clubman SD F54 in Summer and was hoping to purchase a set of steel wheels for winter.

Unfortunately, the brake callipers are too big and they will not fit.

As people have mentioned before the Autoexpress Winter tyre test had

1st. Continental TS 860
2nd. Hankook's i*cept RS2

The Mini has Runflat tyres so the choices seem to be limited.

Continental ContiWinterContact TS830P SSR or the Hankook Winter I*cept Evo2 W320b HRS

The Continental is clearly not the same one as the Autoexpress test but has anyone got any feedback on which would be best between the two?

North East Scotland so the roads can get a bit crazy.

I could ditch the Runflat and go for normal tyres if better tyres are recommended and risk it or try and find alloys to fit the car.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

The 830P is kinda old now but still an excellent tyres, but I'd probably aim for the Hankook. Lots of people ditch runflats for winter running, but that's a choices you need to make, we can't help with that.

Ebay - find a set of wheels / tyres from an ex-Owner that suit the specific Clubman, best, easiest and hassle free option.....

I agree. I’ve spent too much time messing about with wheel configs, trying to be clever. It’s easier to just get another set of identical wheels; or at least a set meant for your car; and start from there.

[anonymous-user]

LDN said:

I agree. I’ve spent too much time messing about with wheel configs, trying to be clever. It’s easier to just get another set of identical wheels; or at least a set meant for your car; and start from there.

Snap.

Been trying to mess with wheel configurations for weeks without any success.

Unfortunately Mini has gone from 4 nut alloys in the older models to 5.

The search continues

[LDN]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

LDN said:

I agree. I’ve spent too much time messing about with wheel configs, trying to be clever. It’s easier to just get another set of identical wheels; or at least a set meant for your car; and start from there.

Snap.

Been trying to mess with wheel configurations for weeks without any success.

Unfortunately Mini has gone from 4 nut alloys in the older models to 5.

The search continues

Keep a look out on eBay. You can even set up search alerts for certain terms; like ‘mini xyz alloys’ for example - and eBay will alert you when someone puts a set up. Otherwise, scrappers often have wheel sets going; but you may have already tried that route.

I bought a set of really REALLY old Lexus alloys off eBay; all corners for £35; got them reconditioned and clad in brand new Nokian winter rubber; all this for a Toyota I have that lives abroad. I put my trust in the seller on that occasion - and it sort of paid off; the balance weights did rub on the rear suspension assembly, once fitted - so whilst the config was all correct, the inside edge of the outer rim was slightly bigger than ideal - so I had to remove the weights for now. The wheels do fit otherwise but next time... I’ll avoid the anxiety of it all.

[anonymous-user]

LDN said:

Keep a look out on eBay. You can even set up search alerts for certain terms; like ‘mini xyz alloys’ for example - and eBay will alert you when someone puts a set up. Otherwise, scrappers often have wheel sets going; but you may have already tried that route.

I bought a set of really REALLY old Lexus alloys off eBay; all corners for £35; got them reconditioned and clad in brand new Nokian winter rubber; all this for a Toyota I have that lives abroad. I put my trust in the seller on that occasion - and it sort of paid off; the balance weights did rub on the rear suspension assembly, once fitted - so whilst the config was all correct, the inside edge of the outer rim was slightly bigger than ideal - so I had to remove the weights for now. The wheels do fit otherwise but next time... I’ll avoid the anxiety of it all.

Fantastic mate.

Didn't realise you could do that with eBay. Great to know

All corners for £35 is amazing. Not a big outlay if things didn't work out.

When you see how many winter tyres there are in the market it is tempting to try a cheaper one but the test results seem to point to the better more expensive makes which you would expect.

The last set I had for my old car was the Continental WinterContact TS 850 and they did a great job.

Tempted however with the Hankook but how are/did you get on with the Nokian?

[LDN]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

LDN said:

Keep a look out on eBay. You can even set up search alerts for certain terms; like ‘mini xyz alloys’ for example - and eBay will alert you when someone puts a set up. Otherwise, scrappers often have wheel sets going; but you may have already tried that route.

I bought a set of really REALLY old Lexus alloys off eBay; all corners for £35; got them reconditioned and clad in brand new Nokian winter rubber; all this for a Toyota I have that lives abroad. I put my trust in the seller on that occasion - and it sort of paid off; the balance weights did rub on the rear suspension assembly, once fitted - so whilst the config was all correct, the inside edge of the outer rim was slightly bigger than ideal - so I had to remove the weights for now. The wheels do fit otherwise but next time... I’ll avoid the anxiety of it all.

Fantastic mate.

Didn't realise you could do that with eBay. Great to know

All corners for £35 is amazing. Not a big outlay if things didn't work out.

When you see how many winter tyres there are in the market it is tempting to try a cheaper one but the test results seem to point to the better more expensive makes which you would expect.

The last set I had for my old car was the Continental WinterContact TS 850 and they did a great job.

Tempted however with the Hankook but how are/did you get on with the Nokian?

Can’t go wrong with Continental! Nokian are great for proper snow; for UK driving though, I don’t think they’d be the best performing tyre

[anonymous-user]

LDN said:

Can’t go wrong with Continental! Nokian are great for proper snow; for UK driving though, I don’t think they’d be the best performing tyre

The Continental winter tyres were very good I must say. In all conditions. Was very impressed but the winter was not that bad.

Seems to be plenty of talk of a bad winter but it was 12 degrees here today which is suntan lotion hot for us Scots

2010/11 was crazy up here so I could imagine the Nokians would be great for that.

By the time I get myself sorted out it will be March

[anonymous-user]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

Ran Nokian on my 911
Brilliant in st weather

They must be good.

Remember the good old days putting a bag of sand in the boot of my rear wheel drive BMW.

Not like it went very far in the snow.

Must say I wish ABS could be turned off in tricky conditions and I hate the new electronic hand brakes.

A good pull in the past could help in a tricky situation.

That actually didn't sound good.

[LDN]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

They must be good.

Remember the good old days putting a bag of sand in the boot of my rear wheel drive BMW.

Not like it went very far in the snow.

Must say I wish ABS could be turned off in tricky conditions and I hate the new electronic hand brakes.

A good pull in the past could help in a tricky situation.

That actually didn't sound good.

[anarki]

tobinen said:

I think that's probably the (my) issue in that 235/60 R16 (my size) is or was a common size for an SUV but not a coupe. Anyway, the load rating is 100 which is spot on.

Hi tobinen, I posted a few pages back that I opted for the quatrac 5's on my forester (215/60/16 H 99) and I've put about 600 miles on them so far.

Be mindful with the first 100 miles, I was driving in a remote part of Shropshire on a quick B road (B4363) just after I'd had them fitted, it was absolutely hammering down with rain and they felt quite skittish. After 100 miles they've scrubbed in and feel really good on all surfaces.

I haven't had the chance to drive them in freezing conditions yet but they feel responsive and grippy in the current climate (12'C most days) the coldest being 5'C where they felt fantastic compared to my previous budget tyres - which in the same conditions felt like you were driving on glass.

Hardly any road noise either and no noticeable change in fuel consumption. Would buy again.

- I'll also report back once we've hit sub zero temps and also when we get snow/ice. I'm looking forward to testing them in those conditions.

[SVS]

In summertime, which is better then: a winter-marked AT tyre or an all-season tyre?