yellow stuff brake pads

[paulmnz]

Andy Freeman said:

EBC New Generation Brake Pads

Hi guys

This is Andy Freeman the owner of EBC Brakes just responding to a few comments.

First guys if you have a failure of our prodeucts our warranty area is real easy to find

Second since I took over this factory in 2002 it has been a long road getting to where we want to be but I am happy to say we are more or less there now. We have a new version of all compounds for 2010/11 release, many on the mareket now. All this info is on our website.

I am looking for a few guys to test some of these new compounds, any takers???

Need some fast street and track drivers with different cars, about 20 people located in USA or UK preferably as carriage would dampen this offer if not due to costs

Let me know

Cheers Andy

Andy,

I've been using yellowstuff on my integra DC2 and MX5 track cars for the last couple of years. I've been happy with the performance, however the wear rates are quite high (on the DC2 I get about 300 track-miles out of a set of yellow pads, and only about 600 miles out of a set of the GDS3 rotors). I think I've gone through 4 front sets of pads on the integra so far, and the current set are about done now too. never had any fit issues or performance concerns with them

Brake fade isn't a massive issue on most UK tracks, although I have had issues in the alps with a lot of heavy braking and short straights (mountain passes).

I'd be very interested to know about / test the new 2010/2011 compounds in terms of wear rate (particularly rotors as they are much more expensive than pads to replace).

Paul.

[SDxsi]

I've only ever tried Greenstuff on the 106 but they weren't great, as said previous, they started to peel from the plate. Currently have the 1144s on and they are a pretty good pad but I still suffer from fade when pushing on. My next set are going to be either the Carbotechs or carbon loraines.

[4x4disco]

Hi Andy
I will give it a go; I have a 96 Discovery Auto, 2.5 Tons of car fitted with new Mintex pads & discs. You could redefine the phrase ‘brake fade’.

Its one thing to comment about brake wear, but brake fade is another league, when the smell of the brakes outside the car is equal to the smell inside the car, you know you have a problem

Be aware the car does everything, fast road use (well fast for a Discovery), off road use, towing, expedition loaded, Mac 4x4 challenge, and the major test in December, it will cover 4 miles every night at walking pace towing a Round Table Xmas float. Not forgetting as an Auto it ‘lives’ on its brakes.

Does that cover a full range of brake requirements?

If you wish to supply the pads free, I will donate the cost to Macmillan cancer support.

Look forward to hearing from you
Sean
0783 83 76800

Andy Freeman said:

EBC New Generation Brake Pads

Hi guys

This is Andy Freeman the owner of EBC Brakes just responding to a few comments.

First guys if you have a failure of our prodeucts our warranty area is real easy to find

Second since I took over this factory in 2002 it has been a long road getting to where we want to be but I am happy to say we are more or less there now. We have a new version of all compounds for 2010/11 release, many on the mareket now. All this info is on our website.

I am looking for a few guys to test some of these new compounds, any takers???

Need some fast street and track drivers with different cars, about 20 people located in USA or UK preferably as carriage would dampen this offer if not due to costs

Let me know

Cheers Andy

[E21_Ross]

andye30m3 said:

I was thinking about trying some yellow stuff pads in the S2000 for road use, quite a few sprints and the occasional trackday but the number of negative comments I hear I think I'll end up spending the extra £20 and get some DS2500's

the DS2500's are fantastic pads. just like normal from cold, but once you get just 2-3 reasonably heavy-ish stops in them they just become phenomenal. i kept locking the front wheels up when i first got them. i used to have greenstuff pads and these are in a different league.

[Dave_ST220]

Busa_Rush said:

Agreed, low dust

EBC's are cheap pads, they are poorly designed (already had one comment about poor fit on just this thread) and their materils are cheap and nasty. Also lots of comments about the pad coming away from the backing plate.

Every year there's a horror story and EBC come out with a revised compound, new material or some such marketing ploy. I'm astonished anybody buys them at all, let along puts them on Astons, Lambo's etc

+1 Anyone who has them check your discs too-they used to eat them! (& EBC's own discs used to crack).

[Karlos69]

Well I've had both the Redstuff and Greenstuff on my old Clio 182. I tried the Greenstuffs first after my stock pads disintegrated into a corner at Goodwood. There were certainly better than stock, but a little dusty for my liking.
I tried the Redstuff next time round, and they were much better again, with less dust and more bite.

I'd certainly be up for trying some EBC pads again on my current motor (2007 Focus 2.0 TDCi). Whilst it isn't a hot hatch by any stretch of the imagination, that diesel lump isn't light and takes some stopping!

[HellDiver]

Andy Freeman seems a little quiet...

[10 Pence Short]

I've never liked the performance of EBC pads but I did used to use their blank discs with Mintex 1155s on the track car and they never gave me any problems at all.

[Easty-5]

I've used yellowstuff pads on my past 3 cars, which have all been heavily tracked. They worked a treat on my 106 GTi although they did catch fire after 5 hot laps at Knockhill. They failed completely on my Starlet Glanza going along the back straight at 100mph+, rather scary moment I must admit. I now have them on my MR2 Turbo. The first set were terrible, bite wasn't great and didn't improve when heated up and they faded to the point of almost no return. I was running braided hoses, standard disks and Motul RBF 660 race fluid so a fairly decent brake setup. I put in another full set of yellowstuff pads recently and they aren't filling me with much confidence so far so my next step in the quest for track worthy brakes was to change pads for the carbotech XP8/10's. Although, I am willing to try the "new" compound if they are an improvement over the current pads.

[Gad-Westy]

I used Yellowstuff on my Elise and was quite impressed. They worked better cold than the Pagids they replaced and squealed less. Pagids were ultimately a better pad but were nearly twice the price.

[Busa_Rush]

Easty-5 said:

I've used yellowstuff pads on my past 3 cars, which have all been heavily tracked. They worked a treat on my 106 GTi although they did catch fire after 5 hot laps at Knockhill. They failed completely on my Starlet Glanza going along the back straight at 100mph+, rather scary moment I must admit. I now have them on my MR2 Turbo. The first set were terrible, bite wasn't great and didn't improve when heated up and they faded to the point of almost no return. I was running braided hoses, standard disks and Motul RBF 660 race fluid so a fairly decent brake setup. I put in another full set of yellowstuff pads recently and they aren't filling me with much confidence so far so my next step in the quest for track worthy brakes was to change pads for the carbotech XP8/10's. Although, I am willing to try the "new" compound if they are an improvement over the current pads.

So after catching fire on one car and then fading completely on the next you still went back to them . . . did it not occur to you to try a different make of pad ?

[HellDiver]

Busa_Rush said:

So after catching fire on one car and then fading completely on the next you still went back to them . . . did it not occur to you to try a different make of pad ?

But Max Power says they're good. Right beside the 2 page EBC ad.

[John D.]

E21_Ross said:

andye30m3 said:

I was thinking about trying some yellow stuff pads in the S2000 for road use, quite a few sprints and the occasional trackday but the number of negative comments I hear I think I'll end up spending the extra £20 and get some DS2500's

the DS2500's are fantastic pads. just like normal from cold, but once you get just 2-3 reasonably heavy-ish stops in them they just become phenomenal. i kept locking the front wheels up when i first got them. i used to have greenstuff pads and these are in a different league.

They are not just like normal when cold and wet IME. Far, far from it. A brown trowser moment on a motorway exit slip road taught me that

Apart from that fantastic pads I agree. Just seemed to get better and better the harder I drove on my old Clio 172 Cup. When they were first fitted I could literally make the front tyres howl (but not lock) braking hard from speed on a hot day. Only issue I had with them was some pad pick-up on the discs after a track day. Was easily cured by a few hard stops to clean the discs up again (effectively re-bedding them). Think that was caused by too much low speed driving prior to the trackday scraping the layer of pad material off I had put down bedding them in initially.

[E21_Ross]

John D. said:

E21_Ross said:

andye30m3 said:

I was thinking about trying some yellow stuff pads in the S2000 for road use, quite a few sprints and the occasional trackday but the number of negative comments I hear I think I'll end up spending the extra £20 and get some DS2500's

the DS2500's are fantastic pads. just like normal from cold, but once you get just 2-3 reasonably heavy-ish stops in them they just become phenomenal. i kept locking the front wheels up when i first got them. i used to have greenstuff pads and these are in a different league.

They are not just like normal when cold and wet IME. Far, far from it. A brown trowser moment on a motorway exit slip road taught me that

Apart from that fantastic pads I agree. Just seemed to get better and better the harder I drove on my old Clio 172 Cup. When they were first fitted I could literally make the front tyres howl (but not lock) braking hard from speed on a hot day. Only issue I had with them was some pad pick-up on the discs after a track day. Was easily cured by a few hard stops to clean the discs up again (effectively re-bedding them). Think that was caused by too much low speed driving prior to the trackday scraping the layer of pad material off I had put down bedding them in initially.

i've not driven them in the winter yet thanks for the advice though. not pushed them too hard yet (only been on the car 2 weeks) but after just a few heavy stops they REALLY, REALLY impress. miles and miles better than greenstuff pads. totally different league.

[John D.]

E21_Ross said:

John D. said:

E21_Ross said:

andye30m3 said:

I was thinking about trying some yellow stuff pads in the S2000 for road use, quite a few sprints and the occasional trackday but the number of negative comments I hear I think I'll end up spending the extra £20 and get some DS2500's

the DS2500's are fantastic pads. just like normal from cold, but once you get just 2-3 reasonably heavy-ish stops in them they just become phenomenal. i kept locking the front wheels up when i first got them. i used to have greenstuff pads and these are in a different league.

They are not just like normal when cold and wet IME. Far, far from it. A brown trowser moment on a motorway exit slip road taught me that

Apart from that fantastic pads I agree. Just seemed to get better and better the harder I drove on my old Clio 172 Cup. When they were first fitted I could literally make the front tyres howl (but not lock) braking hard from speed on a hot day. Only issue I had with them was some pad pick-up on the discs after a track day. Was easily cured by a few hard stops to clean the discs up again (effectively re-bedding them). Think that was caused by too much low speed driving prior to the trackday scraping the layer of pad material off I had put down bedding them in initially.

i've not driven them in the winter yet thanks for the advice though. not pushed them too hard yet (only been on the car 2 weeks) but after just a few heavy stops they REALLY, REALLY impress. miles and miles better than greenstuff pads. totally different league.

Indeed they are. I used Greenstuff prior to DS2500 on the Clio.

[irf]

about 5 years back i used greenstuff on my S14 200sx. forget multiple stops, on ONE stop from 100(ish) they were fading by the time i got down to about 60!! chucked them in the bin after a couple of weeks, never again.

since, i've tried ds2500s, carbotech xp8s, dixcel type Z's, carbon lorraine RC5+ and they're all in a completely different league IMHO.

[RossB_eg4]

irf said:

about 5 years back i used greenstuff on my S14 200sx. forget multiple stops, on ONE stop from 100(ish) they were fading by the time i got down to about 60!! chucked them in the bin after a couple of weeks, never again.

since, i've tried ds2500s, carbotech xp8s, dixcel type Z's, carbon lorraine RC5+ and they're all in a completely different league IMHO.

Finding the exact same with yellowstuff pads on my EP3 civic type R. Absolutely terrifying to drive with; fade to the point they're useless with one stop from speed, let alone a decent drive.

Will probably change them from partco pads very soon as i have used them countless times on my older civic; including track work, and they perform miles better than EBC's 'track pad'.

[rdodger]

RossB_eg4 said:

irf said:

about 5 years back i used greenstuff on my S14 200sx. forget multiple stops, on ONE stop from 100(ish) they were fading by the time i got down to about 60!! chucked them in the bin after a couple of weeks, never again.

since, i've tried ds2500s, carbotech xp8s, dixcel type Z's, carbon lorraine RC5+ and they're all in a completely different league IMHO.

Finding the exact same with yellowstuff pads on my EP3 civic type R. Absolutely terrifying to drive with; fade to the point they're useless with one stop from speed, let alone a decent drive.

Will probably change them from partco pads very soon as i have used them countless times on my older civic; including track work, and they perform miles better than EBC's 'track pad'.

I have used Greenstuff and found them to vary a lot set to set. Absolute rubbish to pretty good, both on road and track. I "upgraded to Yellowstuff on advice from EBC as they say greens aren't for track work. The yellows were really good on road but terrible when they got hot. Faded really badly.

Mintex 1144 for me now.

[MondeoMan1981]

do they do brownstuff pads...

[foggy]

E21_Ross said:

John D. said:

E21_Ross said:

andye30m3 said:

I was thinking about trying some yellow stuff pads in the S2000 for road use, quite a few sprints and the occasional trackday but the number of negative comments I hear I think I'll end up spending the extra £20 and get some DS2500's

the DS2500's are fantastic pads. just like normal from cold, but once you get just 2-3 reasonably heavy-ish stops in them they just become phenomenal. i kept locking the front wheels up when i first got them. i used to have greenstuff pads and these are in a different league.

They are not just like normal when cold and wet IME. Far, far from it. A brown trowser moment on a motorway exit slip road taught me that

Apart from that fantastic pads I agree. Just seemed to get better and better the harder I drove on my old Clio 172 Cup. When they were first fitted I could literally make the front tyres howl (but not lock) braking hard from speed on a hot day. Only issue I had with them was some pad pick-up on the discs after a track day. Was easily cured by a few hard stops to clean the discs up again (effectively re-bedding them). Think that was caused by too much low speed driving prior to the trackday scraping the layer of pad material off I had put down bedding them in initially.

i've not driven them in the winter yet thanks for the advice though. not pushed them too hard yet (only been on the car 2 weeks) but after just a few heavy stops they REALLY, REALLY impress. miles and miles better than greenstuff pads. totally different league.

Yep, I have the DS2500s in my S, and on cold, damp winter mornings they do take a couple of stops to warm up a little and start working anything like the normal Honda pad does from cold, after that they're fine.

At the other end of the scale I had some heat paint on my front discs which suggested they got to well over 600oC (being a tad enthusiastic on track, warmer than I intended taking them!) and with decent brake fluid the DS2500s kept on working fine, no noticable reduction in brake performance (hence I stayed out so long). Be careful if you're running standard Honda discs as the DS2500s will far out perform the disc and they end up cracking. Go for DBA4000 or two-piece front discs if you can find any, standard rears are fine.

Another thing I find with the Ferodos is after driving around gently for a week or two without getting the brakes properly warm they squeal occasionally and you can get brake judder similar to a slightly warped disc. However it disappears when you work them hard for a few stops so it must be a residue building up that gets cleaned off with more aggressive use.

EBCs - heard too many of other peoples' horror stories of pad failure, cracked discs etc. to even consider using them - run, run away!

Edited by foggy on Wednesday 21st July 01:51