*Advice needed* Intermittent squeaking

*Advice needed* Intermittent squeaking

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GEFAFWISP

Original Poster:

86 posts

93 months

Friday 15th December 2017
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Bit of a head scratcher this one - noticed an intermittent squeaking coming from my rear driver side wheel.

Upon inspection, in addition to the usual brake dust there is some metal dust which has rusted slightly, presumably due to the wet weather.

My initial thought is brakes but I had new discs & pads on the rear less than 5k miles ago. Pads look okay, no unusual wear apparent.

The squeak is not constant and seems to vary - sometimes between 20 - 40mph, other times at 50mph+

Tried giving the brakes a good spray with a pressure washer to dislodge any dirt/stones that may be lodged but no joy.

Got a long trip up to Scotland on Sunday so would like to try and fix before then... any suggestions?

Car is a 2005 Toyota Celica T Sport.

Ninja59

3,691 posts

114 months

Friday 15th December 2017
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Does it go or stop under braking?

Is there any play in the hub? Is it louder when turning in one direction than the other?

captainaverage

596 posts

89 months

Friday 15th December 2017
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drive around for a bit with minimal brake usage and then stop and check if the driver's side disc is hotter than the rest. If so then possibly sticky calipers.

Decky_Q

1,538 posts

179 months

Friday 15th December 2017
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Could be a dust guard behind the disc is slightly out of shape and you only catch it occasionally which is common.
I had a rear brake noise on a gen7 celica that had new discs fitted and it was the offset of the handbrake shoe inside the drum had bedded in and moved enough to let the shoe touch the drum when the handbrake was off. Try resetting the shoe offset if its not the dust guard (if you need info on doing this come back to he thread).

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

128 months

Friday 15th December 2017
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GEFAFWISP said:
My initial thought is brakes but I had new discs & pads on the rear less than 5k miles ago. Pads look okay, no unusual wear apparent.
How's the handbrake done on those? Drum inside the disc?

loose cannon

6,030 posts

243 months

Friday 15th December 2017
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If it’s anything like an e46 the disc backplate will rust around the securing screws making it chatter, rattle, and rub the disk not always in that order. I rectified mine with some thin penny washers but it really needs replacing but then so does the whole car laugh

Decky_Q

1,538 posts

179 months

Friday 15th December 2017
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TooMany2cvs said:
How's the handbrake done on those? Drum inside the disc?
Yes small drum in the centre of the disc, ofset is tricky to get first time after changing the disc IME.

GEFAFWISP

Original Poster:

86 posts

93 months

Friday 15th December 2017
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Decky_Q said:
Could be a dust guard behind the disc is slightly out of shape and you only catch it occasionally which is common.
I had a rear brake noise on a gen7 celica that had new discs fitted and it was the offset of the handbrake shoe inside the drum had bedded in and moved enough to let the shoe touch the drum when the handbrake was off. Try resetting the shoe offset if its not the dust guard (if you need info on doing this come back to he thread).
Not a clue how to reset the handbrake offset!

The offending wheel is most definitely hotter than the others so seems likely to be a sticking calliper which I'm not thrilled about.

Haven't messed around with brakes on a car before, always let a professional do them so not too confident to fiddle around with this myself...

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

128 months

Friday 15th December 2017
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GEFAFWISP said:
The offending wheel is most definitely hotter than the others so seems likely to be a sticking calliper which I'm not thrilled about.
A sticking caliper will give you more brake dust, but won't give you metal filings.

Decky_Q

1,538 posts

179 months

Friday 15th December 2017
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Take it to a professional then, and they can give a positive diagnosis at the same time in case it is a sticky caliper. If you can't do that then the method is-

To set it, jack it up and take the wheel off and release the handbrake. There is a rubber blanker in the hub, pull it out. Behind that is a brass wheel with chunky teeth. Put a small flat screwdriver into the teeth and wind it upwards a fair few turns (6-10) until you can't move the hub (by hanging the wheel on the studs and using your hand to turn it). Then wind it back down 7 or 8 teeth and that is the correct offset to not touch the drum when the brake is released. When you're done pull the handbrake and check that the wheel is immobilised (again by hanging the wheel on the studs using hand force). Take it for a test drive and make sure the noise is gone.


GEFAFWISP

Original Poster:

86 posts

93 months

Friday 15th December 2017
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Dropped in to my friendly local indy to see if they could help - popped it up on the ramps and it seems that the 'floating caliper' wasn't floating.

Quick strip down of the caliper and re-grease has sorted the squeak, going to need some new pads though as the incumbent one has worn down quite heavily due to the caliper not moving properly.

Thanks all for the contributions and suggestions smile !

wilburwaffle

3 posts

78 months

Friday 15th December 2017
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it's probably a chew toy nothing to worry about

-Pete-

2,903 posts

178 months

Friday 15th December 2017
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wilburwaffle said:
it's probably a chew toy nothing to worry about
Mice?

Pica-Pica

14,040 posts

86 months

Friday 15th December 2017
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loose cannon said:
If it’s anything like an e46 the disc backplate will rust around the securing screws making it chatter, rattle, and rub the disk not always in that order. I rectified mine with some thin penny washers but it really needs replacing but then so does the whole car laugh
What is happening there is the clip holes rust to become oversize, and the securing pins (not screws) become loose. These pins hold the rear parking brake shoes (a 'drum in hat' system of drum parking brake inside a brake disc). The parking brake shoes then are held by the ends only and the shoe is pulled outward by it's retracting springs. The result is that the brake shoes' metal base contacts the drum, instead of the braking material, when the brake is off. Thence the squeal/scraping noise. That is the E36/46 issue. It may be the same on OP's car if the set up is similar.