13 months later rust 'bubbles 'reappear?

[Squiggs]

grand cherokee said:

7even said:

that really makes me sad to read of someone de-valueing the trade that much.

wtf are you on about?

and what do you do to put 'bread on the table'?

in the east midlands and many other areas north of Watford Gap times are hard!

people in the south have got the Olympics - others have to work for a living - try it some time!

you obviously have never run a business? - better something rather than nothing and as said earlier the guy has done work for me before - and yes its going to be fully invoiced etc so no claims of VAT/tax evasion

sad fricks like you really ruin the forum/trade

so i suppose from the 'tone' of your post you 'demand' say £50/60 per hour and if nobody is prepared to pay your 'rates' you would sooner sit on your ample arse and do nothing - does that sum it up?

here is a reality check - the world does NOT owe you a living - get over yourself!

Edited by grand cherokee on Thursday 26th July 14:24

I'm afraid I agree with 7even.
Rubbing back, masking, removing badges, treating for rust, etch priming, priming, painting, lacquering, polishing ... outside and inside of the tailgate. Those that know the process would assume that if done properly this job could take the best part of a day - for £90!
Then take out the cost of materials, property rental, tax, vat, etc, etc and he will just about earn enough to put one loaf bread on the table and very little else - and in some countries that kind of rate could be called slave labour.

If this guy is good at his job he should be able to command a decent daily wage.
You say times are hard in the north midlands ... but it's hardly reached a third world status!

[V8covin]

90 quid is cheap,I'd charge more but not a huge amount more,it's only a small area he's doing.....a 3 year warranty is unheard of tho

[7even]

grand cherokee said:

wtf are you on about?

and what do you do to put 'bread on the table'?

in the east midlands and many other areas north of Watford Gap times are hard!

people in the south have got the Olympics - others have to work for a living - try it some time!

you obviously have never run a business? - better something rather than nothing and as said earlier the guy has done work for me before - and yes its going to be fully invoiced etc so no claims of VAT/tax evasion

sad fricks like you really ruin the forum/trade

so i suppose from the 'tone' of your post you 'demand' say £50/60 per hour and if nobody is prepared to pay your 'rates' you would sooner sit on your ample arse and do nothing - does that sum it up?

here is a reality check - the world does NOT owe you a living - get over yourself!

Edited by grand cherokee on Thursday 26th July 14:24

seriously cheap money for refinishing both inside and outside of a tailgate properly, thats all.

[BullMoose]

grand cherokee said:

wtf are you on about?

and what do you do to put 'bread on the table'?

in the east midlands and many other areas north of Watford Gap times are hard!

people in the south have got the Olympics - others have to work for a living - try it some time!

you obviously have never run a business? - better something rather than nothing and as said earlier the guy has done work for me before - and yes its going to be fully invoiced etc so no claims of VAT/tax evasion

sad fricks like you really ruin the forum/trade

so i suppose from the 'tone' of your post you 'demand' say £50/60 per hour and if nobody is prepared to pay your 'rates' you would sooner sit on your ample arse and do nothing - does that sum it up?

here is a reality check - the world does NOT owe you a living - get over yourself!

Edited by grand cherokee on Thursday 26th July 14:24

Hold on for one minute, 7even has been one of the contributors to help you with your problem and you flame him for an opinion. 7even is absolutley spot on, £90 is cheap and it does devalue the trade, you'd be lucky to get a simple scuff repaired for that, and that for you my friend is a reality check.
How exactly is 7even ruining the forum? People discuss, that's what forums' do.....

[Squiggs]

BullMoose said:

Hold on for one minute, 7even has been one of the contributors to help you with your problem and you flame him for an opinion. 7even is absolutley spot on, £90 is cheap and it does devalue the trade, you'd be lucky to get a simple scuff repaired for that, and that for you my friend is a reality check.
How exactly is 7even ruining the forum? People discuss, that's what forums' do.....

Well said that man - I couldn't quite understand the sudden out burst over a considered opinion, especially when the same person was trying to help further up the thread.

There seem to be a few people on here that like to try to get something for nothing (or very little)!
And when it's pointed out that it 'sounds too good to be true' they get on their high horse trying to justify why they should pay so little.
(How anybody can make the justification of a cheap job based on the fact that the olympics is being held in the south beats me? Not everybody in the south is banking thousands from the Olympics and similarly neither is the rest of the country surviving on bread and water.)

These are usually the same people that will immediately start ranting and throw their toys out the pram when whatever they've bought or had done cheaply doesn't last or do what it should have done and demand that it should be of the same quality as the more expensive option.

I've got no sympathy for these people, nor can I find the time to advise or help them!

Edited by Squiggs on Thursday 26th July 19:40

[TallPaul]

It'll cost the best part of £90 to mask up and bake the car!

[kds keltec]

Service
Quality
Cheap

Pick two ^^

kelly

[cartoons]

Sorry but don't agree you can't get quality body repairs done for little money.certainly do agree that the trade is hard to understand!!! Where i am the cheapest mechanic is 35 per hour to do even the simplest of jobs but the good bodyshops struggle to charge 25! I know which i class as the more skilled trade too ( but i may be slightly biased!)

[TROOPER88]

£90

Can not seriously see it going well for that price. As has been said the materials alone would not be cheap.
From what I have read, I would have guesstimated £275

[billzeebub]

the bodyshop I use isn't particularly cheap, but guarantees the work for as long as you own the car. That will do for me. Always been very impressed witht the quality. Infact I am picking my Corrado up from them later today after partial respray

[Squiggs]

billzeebub said:

the bodyshop I use isn't particularly cheap, but guarantees the work for as long as you own the car. That will do for me. Always been very impressed witht the quality. Infact I am picking my Corrado up from them later today after partial respray

Does that include a guarantee that the rust won't return or is that if it does return it will be dealt with foc?
I guarantee my work - but as previously mentioned it's difficult to guarantee rust won't return, so I never offer a guarantee on rust jobs .... in fact in the main I try to steer clear of any jobs that have anything more than surface discolouration

[grand cherokee]

cartoons said:

Sorry but don't agree you can't get quality body repairs done for little money.certainly do agree that the trade is hard to understand!!! Where i am the cheapest mechanic is 35 per hour to do even the simplest of jobs but the good bodyshops struggle to charge 25! I know which i class as the more skilled trade too ( but i may be slightly biased!)

as you said

sorry for the delay in 'reporting' back

job done and very pleased - and he also did some stone chips foc

there was however one problem due simply to human error - when applying the RANGE ROVER letters he got then slightly misaligned - ie Range was a bit higher than Rover

as his price was so good i did not take him to task and anyway main dealer sorted out for £25

after the various comments on here i asked him about pricing etc - told me its really very simple in North Notts the type of work he does is 'cosmetic' and in the current economic climate it is the sort of work people put off until their finances improve

BUT

he still has to pay the rent for his unit/rates/insurance etc - so he has two options

a) sit on his arse and do nothing and wait for 'times to improve' by when he has gone bust and goes on the dole

or

b) take every job offered and keep the business afloat until times improve

really quite simple when you look at it that way?

[jds32]

It's how a lot of bodyshops have to work, taking on what ever job comes to the door. I remember painting table tops, internal doors for a house and some signs for a certain zoo in London. And the odd car

[Squiggs]

I still fail to see how he can be making any profit on a job like this for £90 .... in fact I'd go as far as to say he is operating at a loss.
Ok something is better than nothing .... but if you're operating at a loss you're only delaying the inevitable.

[robdcfc]

My unit is also in North Notts(Mansfield) and I get plenty more than that for similar jobs, the problem I see is that once you get known for being cheap then you have to stay cheap!


Rob

[grand cherokee]

robdcfc said:

My unit is also in North Notts(Mansfield) and I get plenty more than that for similar jobs, the problem I see is that once you get known for being cheap then you have to stay cheap!


Rob

i'd guess this guy has been in business longer than you - 20 years?

no link to your business?

guess your clients did not shop around?

i know 'brickies' doing garden jobs - better any job than a scrounger?

bet you tell clients 'horror' stories about those who are cheaper than you?

Edited by grand cherokee on Saturday 8th September 13:00

[grand cherokee]

Squiggs said:

I still fail to see how he can be making any profit on a job like this for £90 .... in fact I'd go as far as to say he is operating at a loss.
Ok something is better than nothing .... but if you're operating at a loss you're only delaying the inevitable.

you SMART guys are NOT the 'be all' on repairs - remember that please?

[BullMoose]

You're a bit touchy Grand Cherokee

Members are just as entitled to an opinion as you and you'd do well to remember that!

Show us the pictures of the repair in a years time to see if the repair has held or failed, it would be interesting to see the result.

[Squiggs]

grand cherokee said:

Squiggs said:

I still fail to see how he can be making any profit on a job like this for £90 .... in fact I'd go as far as to say he is operating at a loss.
Ok something is better than nothing .... but if you're operating at a loss you're only delaying the inevitable.

you SMART guys are NOT the 'be all' on repairs - remember that please?

I really don't understand what the point of your statement is.....

.... but I'll re-phrase mine so maybe you can understand what myself (and others) are trying to say (although I fear I'm flogging a dead horse.)

Building lease costs, commercial building rates, buildings insurance, public liability insurance, commercial waste costs, commercial power, vat, personal tax, national insurance, (and probably more that I've forgotten to mention) all have to be covered for a business to continue to operate.
Then there should be an ever increasing contingency fund for replacing worn out or broken equipment, finally there's the cost of materials, and then what's left over is profit!
Only when a business can show a profit can it be called viable. If it doesn't show a profit then it's not viable, it's operating at a loss and therefore it's failing.
In the short term 'something' rather than 'nothing' may seem like a good idea .. but if you charge so little so as not to be be making a profit then in the long term business failure will almost inevitably arrive along with debt.

All I was trying to say was that I simply can't imagine how the guy can be showing a profit when he's charging so little.

[robdcfc]

I don't tell any stories as i feel thats just poor practice, I give a customer a reasonable price and a sensible time frame and that's it.

Don't understand how the length of time in the trade affects the price?

There are loads around here that try to go in low just to get work, but most people that look after their cars are of the opinion that you can be too cheap!