13 months later rust 'bubbles 'reappear?
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some advice it you can please?
approx 13 months ago i noticed some rust 'bubbles' about 3" x 1/4" at the bottom of the upper tailgate of my Range Rover
took it to the local body shop i've used for my and family cars for some years and got it 'sorted'
in the last couple of days it has reappeared literally overnight - exactly the same area
have rung said bodyshop and they are inspected weds am
would it be reasonable to expect them to correct the work without costs to me?
approx 13 months ago i noticed some rust 'bubbles' about 3" x 1/4" at the bottom of the upper tailgate of my Range Rover
took it to the local body shop i've used for my and family cars for some years and got it 'sorted'
in the last couple of days it has reappeared literally overnight - exactly the same area
have rung said bodyshop and they are inspected weds am
would it be reasonable to expect them to correct the work without costs to me?
andye30m3 said:
I'm no expect but I guess a lot will depend on what you originally asked them to do and paid.
I wouldn't be surprised if a quick job of grinding down the rust locally and repainting didn't last much longer than a year.
i asked for their opinion - said as it was only 'surface' rust it was best to go back to bare metal and then re prime/spray etcI wouldn't be surprised if a quick job of grinding down the rust locally and repainting didn't last much longer than a year.
its a 2005 car not one of the P38's - lol!
hman said:
Unless you cure the cause of the rust it will keep coming back.
Typically cutting out rotten and welding in new plus stemming the source of moisture will result in long term improvements.
Doubt they'll pay after a year really.
opinion of body shop was that it was caused by a 'chip' on the edge of the tailgate and had allowed moisture to get underneath causing the 'bubbles' - they said it was NOT coming from 'inside'?Typically cutting out rotten and welding in new plus stemming the source of moisture will result in long term improvements.
Doubt they'll pay after a year really.
thanks for your comments
took it to the bodyshop this morning and was told 'it was a cheap job what do you expect?'!!
at no time was i told it was a cheap job nor did i ask for a cheap job - i asked them what needed to be done!
over the last 5+ years they have had quite a lot of work from family and friends but no more
the standard has been falling and one of their main commercial customers is having to return a high percentage of work that is unfit
fortunately one of their employees walked out when told to do what he considered was not a 'proper job' and has set up his own business round the corner and is getting very good recommendations so will go and see him
took it to the bodyshop this morning and was told 'it was a cheap job what do you expect?'!!
at no time was i told it was a cheap job nor did i ask for a cheap job - i asked them what needed to be done!
over the last 5+ years they have had quite a lot of work from family and friends but no more
the standard has been falling and one of their main commercial customers is having to return a high percentage of work that is unfit
fortunately one of their employees walked out when told to do what he considered was not a 'proper job' and has set up his own business round the corner and is getting very good recommendations so will go and see him
hman said:
but seriously buy a new panel if you dont want the rust to come back..
will do if necessary (but that means an entire upper tailgate - bit like taking a shotgun to kill a mouse?) but as explained its very small - just measured it - 3" long by 1/8" 'high' - pin head bubblesnothing on the underside so it is surface rust
been reading up on Rust Bullet - got to be worth a shot before buying a new upper tailgate
Edited by grand cherokee on Wednesday 25th July 11:14
thanks guys for all your help/advice
been to see i guy i know who is now 'on his own' - basically going to strip all affected areas back to bare metal and 'treat' including a full upper tailgate respray inside and out - said if the rust comes back inside three years he will redo free of charge - cost £90
the only downside is he does not want to mask the RANGE ROVER lettering to avoid 'ghosting' around said letters - so will have to be removed and replaced - probably cost more than the job?
been to see i guy i know who is now 'on his own' - basically going to strip all affected areas back to bare metal and 'treat' including a full upper tailgate respray inside and out - said if the rust comes back inside three years he will redo free of charge - cost £90
the only downside is he does not want to mask the RANGE ROVER lettering to avoid 'ghosting' around said letters - so will have to be removed and replaced - probably cost more than the job?
7even said:
that really makes me sad to read of someone de-valueing the trade that much. 
wtf are you on about?and what do you do to put 'bread on the table'?
in the east midlands and many other areas north of Watford Gap times are hard!
people in the south have got the Olympics - others have to work for a living - try it some time!
you obviously have never run a business? - better something rather than nothing and as said earlier the guy has done work for me before - and yes its going to be fully invoiced etc so no claims of VAT/tax evasion
sad fricks like you really ruin the forum/trade
so i suppose from the 'tone' of your post you 'demand' say £50/60 per hour and if nobody is prepared to pay your 'rates' you would sooner sit on your ample arse and do nothing - does that sum it up?
here is a reality check - the world does NOT owe you a living - get over yourself!
Edited by grand cherokee on Thursday 26th July 14:24
JulesB said:
Sounds very reasonable of him!
To be honest you are better off having the lettering removed otherwise you will end up with a lacquer edge around them, shouldnt imagine you will need to buy new badges though, they come off very easily with a bit of heat! Get yourself some of the 3M double sided tape (remember to remove the old tape from the badges) and spend a bit of time putting the badges back on. Or you could leave them off, some cars look better debadged, down to personal taste though I suppose
thanks Jules - decided to get new 'letters' - the guy has done me a good price so only fair (quid pro quo) that i do him the same and get new letters and templateTo be honest you are better off having the lettering removed otherwise you will end up with a lacquer edge around them, shouldnt imagine you will need to buy new badges though, they come off very easily with a bit of heat! Get yourself some of the 3M double sided tape (remember to remove the old tape from the badges) and spend a bit of time putting the badges back on. Or you could leave them off, some cars look better debadged, down to personal taste though I suppose
local RR dealer has done at a very good price as well
cartoons said:
Sorry but don't agree you can't get quality body repairs done for little money.certainly do agree that the trade is hard to understand!!! Where i am the cheapest mechanic is 35 per hour to do even the simplest of jobs but the good bodyshops struggle to charge 25! I know which i class as the more skilled trade too ( but i may be slightly biased!)
as you saidsorry for the delay in 'reporting' back
job done and very pleased - and he also did some stone chips foc
there was however one problem due simply to human error - when applying the RANGE ROVER letters he got then slightly misaligned - ie Range was a bit higher than Rover
as his price was so good i did not take him to task and anyway main dealer sorted out for £25
after the various comments on here i asked him about pricing etc - told me its really very simple in North Notts the type of work he does is 'cosmetic' and in the current economic climate it is the sort of work people put off until their finances improve
BUT
he still has to pay the rent for his unit/rates/insurance etc - so he has two options
a) sit on his arse and do nothing and wait for 'times to improve' by when he has gone bust and goes on the dole
or
b) take every job offered and keep the business afloat until times improve
really quite simple when you look at it that way?
robdcfc said:
My unit is also in North Notts(Mansfield) and I get plenty more than that for similar jobs, the problem I see is that once you get known for being cheap then you have to stay cheap!
Rob
i'd guess this guy has been in business longer than you - 20 years?Rob
no link to your business?
guess your clients did not shop around?
i know 'brickies' doing garden jobs - better any job than a scrounger?
bet you tell clients 'horror' stories about those who are cheaper than you?
Edited by grand cherokee on Saturday 8th September 13:00
Squiggs said:
I still fail to see how he can be making any profit on a job like this for £90 .... in fact I'd go as far as to say he is operating at a loss.
Ok something is better than nothing .... but if you're operating at a loss you're only delaying the inevitable.
you SMART guys are NOT the 'be all' on repairs - remember that please?Ok something is better than nothing .... but if you're operating at a loss you're only delaying the inevitable.
BullMoose said:
You're a bit touchy Grand Cherokee 
Members are just as entitled to an opinion as you and you'd do well to remember that!
Show us the pictures of the repair in a years time to see if the repair has held or failed, it would be interesting to see the result.
with 13 posts i'll take that on board - lol!Members are just as entitled to an opinion as you and you'd do well to remember that!
Show us the pictures of the repair in a years time to see if the repair has held or failed, it would be interesting to see the result.
robdcfc said:
I don't tell any stories as i feel thats just poor practice, I give a customer a reasonable price and a sensible time frame and that's it.
Don't understand how the length of time in the trade affects the price?
There are loads around here that try to go in low just to get work, but most people that look after their cars are of the opinion that you can be too cheap!
thats your opinion which i respectDon't understand how the length of time in the trade affects the price?
There are loads around here that try to go in low just to get work, but most people that look after their cars are of the opinion that you can be too cheap!
i look after my cars - though not relevant i've had Porsche/Ferrari - never scrimp on anything
i went to this 'guy' as i've used him before for small marks/scuffs - even main dealer knows of his reputation
as regards his 'future' - i'd consider investing and taking a 'stakeholder' position
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