The PH Classics Trackday 2014
Discussion
Hi Benjj
Dont normally wander into this bit of PH but just to throw another suggestion at you, have you considered Blyton?
Much more affordable with the numbers you have, quite a fun track and reasonable to get to.
If you book it as a test day there are no noise limits and he runs the day as one car on track at a time, 1 warm up lap, a couple of fast ones then a cool down lap and as much time on the track as you like.
http://www.blytonpark.co.uk/track-hire/
I have no other connection than really enjoying my day there last year.
Dont normally wander into this bit of PH but just to throw another suggestion at you, have you considered Blyton?
Much more affordable with the numbers you have, quite a fun track and reasonable to get to.
If you book it as a test day there are no noise limits and he runs the day as one car on track at a time, 1 warm up lap, a couple of fast ones then a cool down lap and as much time on the track as you like.
http://www.blytonpark.co.uk/track-hire/
I have no other connection than really enjoying my day there last year.
Updated and numbered so we can keep an eye on things more easily:
1) Benjj - Porsche 944 rally car or BMW E12 M535i - intermediate track experience
2) Chevy-Stu - 1977 Camaro
3) Robert Elise - Morgan?
4) Johnnythespider - Triumph Stag
5) P100 - TVR Vixen S2
6) Markymark93 - ?
7) Neutral 3 - ?
8) Epoch911 - 2.7RS - Intermediate/experienced
9) sparkey - Lotus Elan +2, experienced
10) johnfm - '67 Lotus Elan +2, intermediate peddler.
11) V8 FOU - MG Widget (most likely) Intermediate + Milf (err not so experienced)
12) Huntsman - Gordon Keeble, never been on track before
13) The Pips - Mercedes SL500 R107. Very inexperienced.
14) Alfa Al - Alfetta GTV6, experienced.
15) SprintSpeciale - '64 Alfa Giulia SS (intermediate)
16) Yosini - Jensen Interceptor, or Dart (intermediate) & mrs (intermediate)
17) Elderly - in something elderly, (experienced) but circuit dependent.
18) M5Player - BMW 3.0 CSL (experienced)
19) Joesnow - 1968 Alfa GT Junior (1750 engined), have tracked before at Donington and Mallory
20) PawnSacrifice - Porsche 924 S (intermediate)
21) Talkwrench - heavens knows... but probably a BMW 850 Csi if permitted - intermediate
1) Benjj - Porsche 944 rally car or BMW E12 M535i - intermediate track experience
2) Chevy-Stu - 1977 Camaro
3) Robert Elise - Morgan?
4) Johnnythespider - Triumph Stag
5) P100 - TVR Vixen S2
6) Markymark93 - ?
7) Neutral 3 - ?
8) Epoch911 - 2.7RS - Intermediate/experienced
9) sparkey - Lotus Elan +2, experienced
10) johnfm - '67 Lotus Elan +2, intermediate peddler.
11) V8 FOU - MG Widget (most likely) Intermediate + Milf (err not so experienced)
12) Huntsman - Gordon Keeble, never been on track before
13) The Pips - Mercedes SL500 R107. Very inexperienced.
14) Alfa Al - Alfetta GTV6, experienced.
15) SprintSpeciale - '64 Alfa Giulia SS (intermediate)
16) Yosini - Jensen Interceptor, or Dart (intermediate) & mrs (intermediate)
17) Elderly - in something elderly, (experienced) but circuit dependent.
18) M5Player - BMW 3.0 CSL (experienced)
19) Joesnow - 1968 Alfa GT Junior (1750 engined), have tracked before at Donington and Mallory
20) PawnSacrifice - Porsche 924 S (intermediate)
21) Talkwrench - heavens knows... but probably a BMW 850 Csi if permitted - intermediate
try again
1) Benjj - Porsche 944 rally car or BMW E12 M535i - intermediate track experience
2) Chevy-Stu - 1977 Camaro
3) Robert Elise - Morgan?
4) Johnnythespider - Triumph Stag
5) P100 - TVR Vixen S2
6) Markymark93 - ?
7) Neutral 3 - ?
8) Epoch911 - 2.7RS - Intermediate/experienced
9) sparkey - Lotus Elan +2, experienced
10) johnfm - '67 Lotus Elan +2, intermediate peddler.
11) V8 FOU - MG Widget (most likely) Intermediate + Milf (err not so experienced)
12) Huntsman - Gordon Keeble, never been on track before
13) The Pips - Mercedes SL500 R107. Very inexperienced.
14) Alfa Al - Alfetta GTV6, experienced.
15) SprintSpeciale - '64 Alfa Giulia SS (intermediate)
16) Yosini - Jensen Interceptor, or Dart (intermediate) & mrs (intermediate)
17) Elderly - in something elderly, (experienced) but circuit dependent.
18) M5Player - BMW 3.0 CSL (experienced)
19) Joesnow - 1968 Alfa GT Junior (1750 engined), have tracked before at Donington and Mallory
20) PawnSacrifice - Porsche 924 S (intermediate)
21) Talkwrench - heavens knows... but probably a BMW 850 Csi if permitted - intermediate
22) Frank - GT Junior (inter)
23) MGHammer - MGB (inter)
1) Benjj - Porsche 944 rally car or BMW E12 M535i - intermediate track experience
2) Chevy-Stu - 1977 Camaro
3) Robert Elise - Morgan?
4) Johnnythespider - Triumph Stag
5) P100 - TVR Vixen S2
6) Markymark93 - ?
7) Neutral 3 - ?
8) Epoch911 - 2.7RS - Intermediate/experienced
9) sparkey - Lotus Elan +2, experienced
10) johnfm - '67 Lotus Elan +2, intermediate peddler.
11) V8 FOU - MG Widget (most likely) Intermediate + Milf (err not so experienced)
12) Huntsman - Gordon Keeble, never been on track before
13) The Pips - Mercedes SL500 R107. Very inexperienced.
14) Alfa Al - Alfetta GTV6, experienced.
15) SprintSpeciale - '64 Alfa Giulia SS (intermediate)
16) Yosini - Jensen Interceptor, or Dart (intermediate) & mrs (intermediate)
17) Elderly - in something elderly, (experienced) but circuit dependent.
18) M5Player - BMW 3.0 CSL (experienced)
19) Joesnow - 1968 Alfa GT Junior (1750 engined), have tracked before at Donington and Mallory
20) PawnSacrifice - Porsche 924 S (intermediate)
21) Talkwrench - heavens knows... but probably a BMW 850 Csi if permitted - intermediate
22) Frank - GT Junior (inter)
23) MGHammer - MGB (inter)
Id you're talking to Donny then it might be worth having a chat with Jonny at Bookatrack he's put on 'special' days in the past for the porsche boys. I think from an insurance point of view it may be beneficial to some to have an ATDO member involved.?
I'll come and play if the Beetle engine is done in time..
1) Benjj - Porsche 944 rally car or BMW E12 M535i - intermediate track experience
2) Chevy-Stu - 1977 Camaro
3) Robert Elise - Morgan?
4) Johnnythespider - Triumph Stag
5) P100 - TVR Vixen S2
6) Markymark93 - ?
7) Neutral 3 - ?
8) Epoch911 - 2.7RS - Intermediate/experienced
9) sparkey - Lotus Elan +2, experienced
10) johnfm - '67 Lotus Elan +2, intermediate peddler.
11) V8 FOU - MG Widget (most likely) Intermediate + Milf (err not so experienced)
12) Huntsman - Gordon Keeble, never been on track before
13) The Pips - Mercedes SL500 R107. Very inexperienced.
14) Alfa Al - Alfetta GTV6, experienced.
15) SprintSpeciale - '64 Alfa Giulia SS (intermediate)
16) Yosini - Jensen Interceptor, or Dart (intermediate) & mrs (intermediate)
17) Elderly - in something elderly, (experienced) but circuit dependent.
18) M5Player - BMW 3.0 CSL (experienced)
19) Joesnow - 1968 Alfa GT Junior (1750 engined), have tracked before at Donington and Mallory
20) PawnSacrifice - Porsche 924 S (intermediate)
21) Talkwrench - heavens knows... but probably a BMW 850 Csi if permitted - intermediate
22) Nurburgsingh - 1969 VW Beetle (used to be experienced)
I'll come and play if the Beetle engine is done in time..
1) Benjj - Porsche 944 rally car or BMW E12 M535i - intermediate track experience
2) Chevy-Stu - 1977 Camaro
3) Robert Elise - Morgan?
4) Johnnythespider - Triumph Stag
5) P100 - TVR Vixen S2
6) Markymark93 - ?
7) Neutral 3 - ?
8) Epoch911 - 2.7RS - Intermediate/experienced
9) sparkey - Lotus Elan +2, experienced
10) johnfm - '67 Lotus Elan +2, intermediate peddler.
11) V8 FOU - MG Widget (most likely) Intermediate + Milf (err not so experienced)
12) Huntsman - Gordon Keeble, never been on track before
13) The Pips - Mercedes SL500 R107. Very inexperienced.
14) Alfa Al - Alfetta GTV6, experienced.
15) SprintSpeciale - '64 Alfa Giulia SS (intermediate)
16) Yosini - Jensen Interceptor, or Dart (intermediate) & mrs (intermediate)
17) Elderly - in something elderly, (experienced) but circuit dependent.
18) M5Player - BMW 3.0 CSL (experienced)
19) Joesnow - 1968 Alfa GT Junior (1750 engined), have tracked before at Donington and Mallory
20) PawnSacrifice - Porsche 924 S (intermediate)
21) Talkwrench - heavens knows... but probably a BMW 850 Csi if permitted - intermediate
22) Nurburgsingh - 1969 VW Beetle (used to be experienced)
benjj said:
What I meant was like this for example:
10.00 - 10.30 - group 1 open pit
10.30 - 11.00 - group 2 open pit
I'll keep an eye on this thread as I really enjoyed driving the Aston at Monza this summer. My concern will be the nature of the groupings. I will see if you have what I would call an older classics and younger classics group rather than classics and old moderns. Some of the cars being mentioned like the BMWs and Porsche 944s will clearly going to pretty quickly on the straights. 10.00 - 10.30 - group 1 open pit
10.30 - 11.00 - group 2 open pit
Rich, yes, I agree with that completely.
I've been giving this some thought today and the crux of the matter is this: if we want a purely PH day then the dates need to be more relaxed than pre 19XX only.
If we do keep it purely PH we have a measure of control over behaviour and what cars are on track together. I think this will work out best and ensure everyone has a good (and safe) day out.
I've been giving this some thought today and the crux of the matter is this: if we want a purely PH day then the dates need to be more relaxed than pre 19XX only.
If we do keep it purely PH we have a measure of control over behaviour and what cars are on track together. I think this will work out best and ensure everyone has a good (and safe) day out.
Also to add:
Yes, the groups will need tweaking. However everyone is paying for an open pit day and it would be wrong to limit people to only a half or a third of the day to get out on track.
With that in mind I'd propose it ran something like this:
Morning: 2 groups (pre and post 197X) having alternating 30 minute slots.
Afternoon: full open pit with the last 15 minutes of each hour as a dedicated novice or more leisurely driver.
All of this is open to discussion though, I'm not the boss.
Yes, the groups will need tweaking. However everyone is paying for an open pit day and it would be wrong to limit people to only a half or a third of the day to get out on track.
With that in mind I'd propose it ran something like this:
Morning: 2 groups (pre and post 197X) having alternating 30 minute slots.
Afternoon: full open pit with the last 15 minutes of each hour as a dedicated novice or more leisurely driver.
All of this is open to discussion though, I'm not the boss.
I'd suggest that having groups based on age of car is not too relative. A well prepared and driven 60's Lotus elan will be quicker than a lot of 80's cars around Donington and some big-engined older cars will be considerably quicker on the straights than some more modern stuff which could be quicker around corners.
I'd think that most that book up for this will understand the spirit of the day and drive with consideration for the age and experience of other drivers. Maybe just a suggestion that those with older cars or who do not wish to push their cars as hard go out in the first half of each hour and those who want to push on or have really quick cars leave it to the second half.
It's no fun being either the slowest or quickest on track so most people will sort themselves out to be on track at the same time as other comparable drivers/cars.
Either way it looks like being a good day out!
S..
I'd think that most that book up for this will understand the spirit of the day and drive with consideration for the age and experience of other drivers. Maybe just a suggestion that those with older cars or who do not wish to push their cars as hard go out in the first half of each hour and those who want to push on or have really quick cars leave it to the second half.
It's no fun being either the slowest or quickest on track so most people will sort themselves out to be on track at the same time as other comparable drivers/cars.
Either way it looks like being a good day out!
S..
Thought I put myself in for this on page 2. Never mind I'm in now.
Nurburgsingh said:
1) Benjj - Porsche 944 rally car or BMW E12 M535i - intermediate track experience
2) Chevy-Stu - 1977 Camaro
3) Robert Elise - Morgan?
4) Johnnythespider - Triumph Stag
5) P100 - TVR Vixen S2
6) Markymark93 - ?
7) Neutral 3 - ?
8) Epoch911 - 2.7RS - Intermediate/experienced
9) sparkey - Lotus Elan +2, experienced
10) johnfm - '67 Lotus Elan +2, intermediate peddler.
11) V8 FOU - MG Widget (most likely) Intermediate + Milf (err not so experienced)
12) Huntsman - Gordon Keeble, never been on track before
13) The Pips - Mercedes SL500 R107. Very inexperienced.
14) Alfa Al - Alfetta GTV6, experienced.
15) SprintSpeciale - '64 Alfa Giulia SS (intermediate)
16) Yosini - Jensen Interceptor, or Dart (intermediate) & mrs (intermediate)
17) Elderly - in something elderly, (experienced) but circuit dependent.
18) M5Player - BMW 3.0 CSL (experienced)
19) Joesnow - 1968 Alfa GT Junior (1750 engined), have tracked before at Donington and Mallory
20) PawnSacrifice - Porsche 924 S (intermediate)
21) Talkwrench - heavens knows... but probably a BMW 850 Csi if permitted - intermediate
22) Nurburgsingh - 1969 VW Beetle (used to be experienced)
23) LoudV8 - Aston Martin V8 1977. Experienced trackdayer.
2) Chevy-Stu - 1977 Camaro
3) Robert Elise - Morgan?
4) Johnnythespider - Triumph Stag
5) P100 - TVR Vixen S2
6) Markymark93 - ?
7) Neutral 3 - ?
8) Epoch911 - 2.7RS - Intermediate/experienced
9) sparkey - Lotus Elan +2, experienced
10) johnfm - '67 Lotus Elan +2, intermediate peddler.
11) V8 FOU - MG Widget (most likely) Intermediate + Milf (err not so experienced)
12) Huntsman - Gordon Keeble, never been on track before
13) The Pips - Mercedes SL500 R107. Very inexperienced.
14) Alfa Al - Alfetta GTV6, experienced.
15) SprintSpeciale - '64 Alfa Giulia SS (intermediate)
16) Yosini - Jensen Interceptor, or Dart (intermediate) & mrs (intermediate)
17) Elderly - in something elderly, (experienced) but circuit dependent.
18) M5Player - BMW 3.0 CSL (experienced)
19) Joesnow - 1968 Alfa GT Junior (1750 engined), have tracked before at Donington and Mallory
20) PawnSacrifice - Porsche 924 S (intermediate)
21) Talkwrench - heavens knows... but probably a BMW 850 Csi if permitted - intermediate
22) Nurburgsingh - 1969 VW Beetle (used to be experienced)
23) LoudV8 - Aston Martin V8 1977. Experienced trackdayer.
Edited by LoudV8 on Wednesday 18th December 20:06
Gentlemen of the Racing,
A couple of updates for this thread:
Firstly (and sadly) I've got my teeth into a load of real life work stuff (urgh) plus various other projects with a charity I work with and family stuff. This means that I'm not going to have the time to give this germ of an idea too much thought or effort in the coming months. I am still very keen on it and think it would be a hoot but I'm running on fumes time-wise.
Secondly I did give it more thought over Christmas and I think the reality of the situation is this: cost wise it is really only going to work for a majority at a certain price level. We will struggle madly to meet that by hiring a private track so it leaves but one option - tacking on to an existing track organiser's day. I suspect that a few select phone calls to GoldTrack / MSV etc would enable us to get first dibs on something, ideally taking a whole day (or at least the majority of one.) I think the ideal would be a track day organiser giving us (PH) a month of pre-registration before they open it up to the mass public.
So if anyone feels they'd like to pick up on this and make it happen it's all yours. You can count me in as an attendee 100%.
A couple of updates for this thread:
Firstly (and sadly) I've got my teeth into a load of real life work stuff (urgh) plus various other projects with a charity I work with and family stuff. This means that I'm not going to have the time to give this germ of an idea too much thought or effort in the coming months. I am still very keen on it and think it would be a hoot but I'm running on fumes time-wise.
Secondly I did give it more thought over Christmas and I think the reality of the situation is this: cost wise it is really only going to work for a majority at a certain price level. We will struggle madly to meet that by hiring a private track so it leaves but one option - tacking on to an existing track organiser's day. I suspect that a few select phone calls to GoldTrack / MSV etc would enable us to get first dibs on something, ideally taking a whole day (or at least the majority of one.) I think the ideal would be a track day organiser giving us (PH) a month of pre-registration before they open it up to the mass public.
So if anyone feels they'd like to pick up on this and make it happen it's all yours. You can count me in as an attendee 100%.
That's a shame benjj, I wonder if dinkel would be interested in taking on the mantle?
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
As you say, price for many people is the clincher and I suppose that's why no TDO has to my knowledge put on a classic only track day (except for the dreadful classic action days at Combe).
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
As you say, price for many people is the clincher and I suppose that's why no TDO has to my knowledge put on a classic only track day (except for the dreadful classic action days at Combe).
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