Ultra rare mk 1 Escort at upcoming auction
Discussion
aeropilot said:
Wheels are normal 13" wheels as you'd expect to see on a Mk.1.
The issue is an optical illusion, from the fact that the wheels are fitted with modern low profile (poss tarmac tyres) and the suspension looks like its a forest setup rather than a tarmac setup....so it all looks rather odd.
I really don't like bubble arch Mk.1's trying to look like a 'tarmac' racer, they look much better with some proper wheels and proper tyres, not modern stuff.
I concur, more like this is better The issue is an optical illusion, from the fact that the wheels are fitted with modern low profile (poss tarmac tyres) and the suspension looks like its a forest setup rather than a tarmac setup....so it all looks rather odd.
I really don't like bubble arch Mk.1's trying to look like a 'tarmac' racer, they look much better with some proper wheels and proper tyres, not modern stuff.
xjsracer44 said:
The yellow RS1600 is as good an example that you will find and is on the button. I don’t think it’s Daytona Yellow, I think that’s a trick of the light in the golden hour.
Daytona replaced Maize in late '71 so this one will be Daytona. I had a 1972 alloy block car that was Daytona yellow. My white 1970 RS1600 - the kit of bits - has gone. It was never going to be done and a big wad of cash is far more appealing.
Touring442 said:
xjsracer44 said:
The yellow RS1600 is as good an example that you will find and is on the button. I don’t think it’s Daytona Yellow, I think that’s a trick of the light in the golden hour.
Daytona replaced Maize in late '71 so this one will be Daytona. I had a 1972 alloy block car that was Daytona yellow. I wouldn't say its as good an example that you will find, as just by looking at the photos, I can think of quite a few that are better.
With no reserve it could fetch a good price, as people will know before hand it will be sold on the day, which could mean a bidding war, or not much interest and someone walks away with a bargain!
Should be interesting to see if it goes past 40k, and if so by how much.
I'd say prices are softening for these now, and the days of 60-70k have gone. For now at least.
Whilst I like the obscene profit I made on mine, I still like to think that these are - or should be - affordable old cars to have a bit of fun in. As it is, they are too expensive and too nickable.
Whilst I like the obscene profit I made on mine, I still like to think that these are - or should be - affordable old cars to have a bit of fun in. As it is, they are too expensive and too nickable.
I think the softening of prices is partly due to this dam virus and it’s that time of year when demand drops off.
You can still if you look around hard enough find a reasonable spec Mk 1 more so Mk 2 to have some fun with so long as you’re not hung up on originality, has to be an RS etc for 20k ish. Compared to more modern cars, I can’t think of anything as much fun that is likely to only increase in value if you buy right.
I was looking for over a year before I bought my Mk 1 RS, TBH it did not have to be an RS, the fact is says so on the log book is a bonus. I did not want standard or mildly tuned, so what I have was perfect for my needs, was around the budget I mentioned above, makes me smile and I am sure I could make a decent profit on it if I find a Renault 5 turbo 2 for 20 k [minus engine].
I wouldn’t leave it most places overnight though
You can still if you look around hard enough find a reasonable spec Mk 1 more so Mk 2 to have some fun with so long as you’re not hung up on originality, has to be an RS etc for 20k ish. Compared to more modern cars, I can’t think of anything as much fun that is likely to only increase in value if you buy right.
I was looking for over a year before I bought my Mk 1 RS, TBH it did not have to be an RS, the fact is says so on the log book is a bonus. I did not want standard or mildly tuned, so what I have was perfect for my needs, was around the budget I mentioned above, makes me smile and I am sure I could make a decent profit on it if I find a Renault 5 turbo 2 for 20 k [minus engine].
I wouldn’t leave it most places overnight though
Touring442 said:
I'd say prices are softening for these now, and the days of 60-70k have gone. For now at least.
Whilst I like the obscene profit I made on mine, I still like to think that these are - or should be - affordable old cars to have a bit of fun in. As it is, they are too expensive and too nickable.
Yes, I think the 60-70k prices are gone as well (except for pukka competition cars) and that's no bad thing.Whilst I like the obscene profit I made on mine, I still like to think that these are - or should be - affordable old cars to have a bit of fun in. As it is, they are too expensive and too nickable.
As like you they are for fun, not for polishing and being trailer queens.
I agree about the nickable aspect though, and its why I'd never have another one again, not that I would be in that position to have another one, even if the scallies were not nicking them.
A 76 or 77 Alfasud 1200Ti project sold recently for £11,500, a complete and tatty but restorable car. Having had these back in the day, I have to say they hold my interest more than an Escort. They were just astonishing and I remember being quite disappointed at the Mark 3 Escort and how it was nowhere near as good as the Alfa, itself ten years old or more. An abysmal ride and that ropey old CVH was apparently as good as Ford could manage in the eighties. As far as I'm concerned the RS2000 was the last of the proper Escorts.
It's nice to see genuinely worthy cars like Alfasuds finally being recognised and restored but I'm surprised it took so long.
It's nice to see genuinely worthy cars like Alfasuds finally being recognised and restored but I'm surprised it took so long.
Touring442 said:
A 76 or 77 Alfasud 1200Ti project sold recently for £11,500, a complete and tatty but restorable car. Having had these back in the day, I have to say they hold my interest more than an Escort. They were just astonishing and I remember being quite disappointed at the Mark 3 Escort and how it was nowhere near as good as the Alfa, itself ten years old or more. An abysmal ride and that ropey old CVH was apparently as good as Ford could manage in the eighties. As far as I'm concerned the RS2000 was the last of the proper Escorts.
Yes, for me the Ford Escort is the Mk.1 and Mk.2.......I don't even 'think' of the fwd Mk.3 onwards Escorts as Escorts, and Ford should have given the awful CVH pieces of junk, another name, other than Escort, just as they dropped the Cortina name when they replaced it with the Sierra, and that at least still retained rwd layout.Alfa Sud's are fab (apart from the rust issues of course) and a Sud is one of only a small handful of fwd cars that I actually like.
Never driven a Sud, nor any Alfa for that matter, I am obviously a heathen!
Back in the early 80’s there were a few on the sprinting scene, always used to do well, normally winning there class. They used to pick up an inside rear wheel ala Golf GTI I recall.
I am NOT a FWD fan at all, yes, the Mk 3 Escorts were awful, my Mum had one of the early orange XR3’s, bloody useless thing, bounced around, engine was even more harsh than a standard pinto!
I did drive a friends Mk 2 Golf GTI and briefly a Peugeot 1.9 GTI and a FWD R5 turbo, they were all quite fun to drive, the Golf feeling the better built, the R5 the fastest and the Pug the nimblest. All suffered from torque steer,,,,,,,,, I mean where’s the fun in that
Back in the early 80’s there were a few on the sprinting scene, always used to do well, normally winning there class. They used to pick up an inside rear wheel ala Golf GTI I recall.
I am NOT a FWD fan at all, yes, the Mk 3 Escorts were awful, my Mum had one of the early orange XR3’s, bloody useless thing, bounced around, engine was even more harsh than a standard pinto!
I did drive a friends Mk 2 Golf GTI and briefly a Peugeot 1.9 GTI and a FWD R5 turbo, they were all quite fun to drive, the Golf feeling the better built, the R5 the fastest and the Pug the nimblest. All suffered from torque steer,,,,,,,,, I mean where’s the fun in that
aeropilot said:
Yes, its definately Daytona Yellow.
I wouldn't say its as good an example that you will find, as just by looking at the photos, I can think of quite a few that are better.
With no reserve it could fetch a good price, as people will know before hand it will be sold on the day, which could mean a bidding war, or not much interest and someone walks away with a bargain!
Should be interesting to see if it goes past 40k, and if so by how much.
You’re right, it is Daytona Yellow, as confirmed by the colour code T.I wouldn't say its as good an example that you will find, as just by looking at the photos, I can think of quite a few that are better.
With no reserve it could fetch a good price, as people will know before hand it will be sold on the day, which could mean a bidding war, or not much interest and someone walks away with a bargain!
Should be interesting to see if it goes past 40k, and if so by how much.
I don’t think the photos do it justice, but as you say, people will know it’s to be sold on the day, so hopefully should realise it’s true worth.
Mark A S said:
Never driven a Sud, nor any Alfa for that matter, I am obviously a heathen!
The trouble with the Sud is that it wasn't a hatchback until the early 80's, and was seen as old hat by many by the time Alfa brought out a hatch shell version in the early 80's.IIRC, the Sud with longitudinal boxer engine (the mechanicals of the Sud were designed by an ex-Porsche engineer, what a surprise) had equal length driveshafts, rather than a traditional unequal length driveshafts of a transverse fwd layout...?
Saab were the only other back then to do the same thing, having a longitudinal engine which is why a Saab 92/95 etc, and 99 and 900 never drove like a typical understeery fwd car.
I adored my Saab 900, the most un-fwd-like fwd car I've owned, just wish at the time I could have afforded the full-fat T16S rather version than a lpt version......
This car appears to have a interesting history https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11088117
I wonder if GR knows of it ?
I wonder if GR knows of it ?
Mark A S said:
This car appears to have a interesting history https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11088117
I wonder if GR knows of it ?
Haven't got access to books at the moment, but there are a few well known press photo's of a RWC reg Mex's.I wonder if GR knows of it ?
Slades is only about 30 mins away from me, so might go and have a look at it, would like to see what's on that RS2 service shell build plate on the slam panel
You can see its an RS2 shell as well on the underbonnet shots.
Shame who ever restored/painted it covered it in silly stickers and fake stuff, and the wrong colour Mex stripes for Sunset
Nice to have a car signed by Mick J, not that he ever had anything to do with AVO which is a bit of dealer waffle.
Mark A S said:
This car appears to have a interesting history https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11088117
I wonder if GR knows of it ?
This car took part in the PistonHeads Sporting Tour in April 2019 so is/was owned by a PHer. I wonder if GR knows of it ?
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