RS2000, not its Best Colour?
Discussion
rallycross said:
paulwirral said:
This thread has jarred my memory into working , I owned most of the cars mentioned in the thread , a few 3ltr capris , a dolly sprint , a r/s 2000 and I bought a 131 sport with the intention of using it for banger racing , it was that cheap back then !
I didn’t wreck it by the way , it was to good a car and I sold it on but I do remember it was a great drive “thrashing the knackers off it “ was the way we described a spirited run back then when there was no such thing as a yellow box on a scaffolding pole .
How did the dolly sprint compare to the RS? I only drove one once. I didn’t wreck it by the way , it was to good a car and I sold it on but I do remember it was a great drive “thrashing the knackers off it “ was the way we described a spirited run back then when there was no such thing as a yellow box on a scaffolding pole .
That's a bit unfair, but the Dolly was a wobblly old Hector in comparison. It had the grunt and was quick in a straight line (when they worked) and the overdrive was useful for relaxed cruising but the seats were awful and lacked any side support.
You only bought a Sprint if you had to have 4 doors, and even then there were better options.
aeropilot said:
rallycross said:
paulwirral said:
This thread has jarred my memory into working , I owned most of the cars mentioned in the thread , a few 3ltr capris , a dolly sprint , a r/s 2000 and I bought a 131 sport with the intention of using it for banger racing , it was that cheap back then !
I didn’t wreck it by the way , it was to good a car and I sold it on but I do remember it was a great drive “thrashing the knackers off it “ was the way we described a spirited run back then when there was no such thing as a yellow box on a scaffolding pole .
How did the dolly sprint compare to the RS? I only drove one once. I didn’t wreck it by the way , it was to good a car and I sold it on but I do remember it was a great drive “thrashing the knackers off it “ was the way we described a spirited run back then when there was no such thing as a yellow box on a scaffolding pole .
That's a bit unfair, but the Dolly was a wobblly old Hector in comparison. It had the grunt and was quick in a straight line (when they worked) and the overdrive was useful for relaxed cruising but the seats were awful and lacked any side support.
You only bought a Sprint if you had to have 4 doors, and even then there were better options.
rallycross said:
How did the dolly sprint compare to the RS? I only drove one once.
Think I have told this story before, but anyway. In around 1978/79 ish both myself and a local mate had moved up to Mk 2 RS2’s from the Mk 1. Like us all back then we were always interested in the competition, fairly sure the Lotus sunbeam had not appeared yet, although I do recall looking at a brand new Chevette HS in Huxfords [ think that was the dealer in Gosport] with envious eyes.Dad had picked up a yellow Dolly Sprint from a local Auction, so, I “borrowed” it one day to go see my mate in Gosport. We naturally went out and ragged the b
ks out of it, on the way out my mate needed to stop at the local car spares shop, so I parked on the very spacious pavement whilst he went in and purchased stuff.At the Time, there was a short stocky Scottish, red haired female [well we think it was] traffic warden who was the scourge of Gosport, notorious for giving out tickets, sure enough, she appears and knocks on my window telling me to move or else, my mate spots this and to his credit comes out the shop immediately, as he is getting in the Dolly, her/it is extracting a ticket book to issue me with a fine, he says come on lets go, I look over my shoulder and pull away when “donk” I ran into her as she had moved in front of the Dolly, some quick reversing and off we went post haste, my mate hissing himself with laughter all the way home
As for the Dolly, as Aero says, it went well, but felt like a blancmange in comparison to the RS’s with awful seats.
aeropilot said:
Badly.
That's a bit unfair, but the Dolly was a wobblly old Hector in comparison. It had the grunt and was quick in a straight line (when they worked) and the overdrive was useful for relaxed cruising but the seats were awful and lacked any side support.
You only bought a Sprint if you had to have 4 doors, and even then there were better options.
I have to tell you that across two Dolomite Sprints we had absolutely no engine troubles and I think the often repeated criticism regarding warped heads was a bit overdone at least when buying new . The first ones from memory all came in Mimosa Yellow which later from memory was dropped in favour of Inca Yellow ( I may have that wrong) . Front Wings were very susceptible to rot and the lacquer on the wheels peeled off before your eyes . My old man did all his own maintenance and I lay on the floor of our lock up on many winter nights doing various jobs .That's a bit unfair, but the Dolly was a wobblly old Hector in comparison. It had the grunt and was quick in a straight line (when they worked) and the overdrive was useful for relaxed cruising but the seats were awful and lacked any side support.
You only bought a Sprint if you had to have 4 doors, and even then there were better options.
Straight line against an RS2000 there was nothing in it but as you say it wasn't a great handler through the curves . Andy Rouse I seem to recall had some success with them in Saloon Racing .
As regards reasons for buying a Sprint I think you with respect talk complete nonsense . I would struggle to find a British Car in 1973 at a similar price point with that sort of Performance and I suspect you will too . Leyland had no competitor , Rootes ( Avenger Tiger , Hunter GLS )??? I don't either were as quick as a Sprint , 0/60 8.5 secs , 127bhp ?? . Vauxhall I believe would have struggled in period to match these figures also .
Ford however was the masterpiece . A marketing strategy based on Rally Success , plenty of money to set up a separate RS facility , and the cars were great too . Like many who grew up with RS Fords and had the good fortune to own some I just smile at the prices being achieved , how do you place a value on an icon ? Sadly many are now outside the financial capabilities of many of us and that's a great shame .
aeropilot said:
rallycross said:
paulwirral said:
This thread has jarred my memory into working , I owned most of the cars mentioned in the thread , a few 3ltr capris , a dolly sprint , a r/s 2000 and I bought a 131 sport with the intention of using it for banger racing , it was that cheap back then !
I didn’t wreck it by the way , it was to good a car and I sold it on but I do remember it was a great drive “thrashing the knackers off it “ was the way we described a spirited run back then when there was no such thing as a yellow box on a scaffolding pole .
How did the dolly sprint compare to the RS? I only drove one once. I didn’t wreck it by the way , it was to good a car and I sold it on but I do remember it was a great drive “thrashing the knackers off it “ was the way we described a spirited run back then when there was no such thing as a yellow box on a scaffolding pole .
That's a bit unfair, but the Dolly was a wobblly old Hector in comparison. It had the grunt and was quick in a straight line (when they worked) and the overdrive was useful for relaxed cruising but the seats were awful and lacked any side support.
You only bought a Sprint if you had to have 4 doors, and even then there were better options.
Ford brakes were rarely brilliant but Dolomite brakes......jeez.
Rob 131 Sport said:
I never had any affection for the Dolomite as to me they were always an OAP special lacking any coolness when compared with a 3 Series, Fiat 131 or Escort RS2000.
The 3 series was two years later Rob and I suspect the Fiat was later too ? You are right about the Sprints lack of image especially as the years progressed but all British Leyland Products had a relatively poor image back then .It had a beautiful sound from the engine and in my humble opinion better than the Ford , a lovely revvy whine as you accelerated .
Not getting much support on here am I ?
reddiesel said:
The 3 series was two years later Rob and I suspect the Fiat was later too ? You are right about the Sprints lack of image especially as the years progressed but all British Leyland Products had a relatively poor image back then .
It had a beautiful sound from the engine and in my humble opinion better than the Ford , a lovely revvy whine as you accelerated .
Not getting much support on here am I ?
We had both, RS2000 (Series X, later with a turbo pinto blowing through twin Dellortos) and a BRG Sprint with 40" Dellortos, and a Janspeed exhaust. The latter two item tranformed the Sprint. Never had any engine issues with it, other than blowing the engine as the tacho underead by a significant amount.... It had a beautiful sound from the engine and in my humble opinion better than the Ford , a lovely revvy whine as you accelerated .
Not getting much support on here am I ?
Loved both, the RS was more the sports car, everything was more focused. The Sprint was a lovely place to be, even then nostalgic with it's quaint wood dash, and old school build.
Also had a BMW323i. fabulous car.
reddiesel said:
aeropilot said:
Badly.
That's a bit unfair, but the Dolly was a wobblly old Hector in comparison. It had the grunt and was quick in a straight line (when they worked) and the overdrive was useful for relaxed cruising but the seats were awful and lacked any side support.
You only bought a Sprint if you had to have 4 doors, and even then there were better options.
I have to tell you that across two Dolomite Sprints we had absolutely no engine troubles and I think the often repeated criticism regarding warped heads was a bit overdone at least when buying new . The first ones from memory all came in Mimosa Yellow which later from memory was dropped in favour of Inca Yellow ( I may have that wrong) . Front Wings were very susceptible to rot and the lacquer on the wheels peeled off before your eyes . My old man did all his own maintenance and I lay on the floor of our lock up on many winter nights doing various jobs .That's a bit unfair, but the Dolly was a wobblly old Hector in comparison. It had the grunt and was quick in a straight line (when they worked) and the overdrive was useful for relaxed cruising but the seats were awful and lacked any side support.
You only bought a Sprint if you had to have 4 doors, and even then there were better options.
Straight line against an RS2000 there was nothing in it but as you say it wasn't a great handler through the curves . Andy Rouse I seem to recall had some success with them in Saloon Racing .
As regards reasons for buying a Sprint I think you with respect talk complete nonsense . I would struggle to find a British Car in 1973 at a similar price point with that sort of Performance and I suspect you will too .
To this day, and he turned 70 last year, he still shivers, whenever I bring up the subject of the Sprint, which is still the worst car he's ever owned. In fairness, his gripe was as much with the inability of the dealers to actually sort out the problems, and usually 'fixed' the problem by creating a separate problem
The Volvo was slower and not as sporty, but it worked, didn't break down and was way more comfortable for the mileage he was doing at the time, and the dealers were excellent. He replaced the 244 with a new Opel Ascona Berlina SR 18 months later.
aeropilot said:
My older cousin, was just such a buyer in 1976. He had to have 4 doors, and the Sprint seemed to tick all his boxes, so he went for a new Dolly Sprint in Tahiti Blue, on a new R plate in Aug. It spent about 3 months in total of its first 12 months in the dealership being fixed, or being attempted to be fixed. After 18 months he got so fed up with the thing, he part exchanged it for new Volvo 244 in 1978.
To this day, and he turned 70 last year, he still shivers, whenever I bring up the subject of the Sprint, which is still the worst car he's ever owned. In fairness, his gripe was as much with the inability of the dealers to actually sort out the problems, and usually 'fixed' the problem by creating a separate problem
The Volvo was slower and not as sporty, but it worked, didn't break down and was way more comfortable for the mileage he was doing at the time, and the dealers were excellent. He replaced the 244 with a new Opel Ascona Berlina SR 18 months later.
To be fair these sort of things happen with many cars and you no doubt agree with that . What I was really interested in was your assertion that there were better choices back then than the Dolomite Sprint and it was in order to promote more discussion over these supposed alternatives rather than pick any argument , that I replied to your Post .To this day, and he turned 70 last year, he still shivers, whenever I bring up the subject of the Sprint, which is still the worst car he's ever owned. In fairness, his gripe was as much with the inability of the dealers to actually sort out the problems, and usually 'fixed' the problem by creating a separate problem
The Volvo was slower and not as sporty, but it worked, didn't break down and was way more comfortable for the mileage he was doing at the time, and the dealers were excellent. He replaced the 244 with a new Opel Ascona Berlina SR 18 months later.
Back in 1973 at this price point from memory there wasn't that many alternatives and I think the Autocar article I posted supports this . I was really hoping someone was going to come up with something but probably not . The Avenger Tiger was older and slower , the droopsnoot Firenza likewise and more expensive , the 3 series hadn't yet arrived nor had the Fiat 131. and the Alfa I have to admit to knowing nothing about .
The Mk2 RS2000 I believe was also still to be introduced .
Its an interesting marketplace , small Sports Saloons in 1973
reddiesel said:
aeropilot said:
My older cousin, was just such a buyer in 1976. He had to have 4 doors, and the Sprint seemed to tick all his boxes, so he went for a new Dolly Sprint in Tahiti Blue, on a new R plate in Aug. It spent about 3 months in total of its first 12 months in the dealership being fixed, or being attempted to be fixed. After 18 months he got so fed up with the thing, he part exchanged it for new Volvo 244 in 1978.
To this day, and he turned 70 last year, he still shivers, whenever I bring up the subject of the Sprint, which is still the worst car he's ever owned. In fairness, his gripe was as much with the inability of the dealers to actually sort out the problems, and usually 'fixed' the problem by creating a separate problem
The Volvo was slower and not as sporty, but it worked, didn't break down and was way more comfortable for the mileage he was doing at the time, and the dealers were excellent. He replaced the 244 with a new Opel Ascona Berlina SR 18 months later.
To be fair these sort of things happen with many cars and you no doubt agree with that . What I was really interested in was your assertion that there were better choices back then than the Dolomite Sprint and it was in order to promote more discussion over these supposed alternatives rather than pick any argument , that I replied to your Post .To this day, and he turned 70 last year, he still shivers, whenever I bring up the subject of the Sprint, which is still the worst car he's ever owned. In fairness, his gripe was as much with the inability of the dealers to actually sort out the problems, and usually 'fixed' the problem by creating a separate problem
The Volvo was slower and not as sporty, but it worked, didn't break down and was way more comfortable for the mileage he was doing at the time, and the dealers were excellent. He replaced the 244 with a new Opel Ascona Berlina SR 18 months later.
Back in 1973 at this price point from memory there wasn't that many alternatives and I think the Autocar article I posted supports this . I was really hoping someone was going to come up with something but probably not . The Avenger Tiger was older and slower , the droopsnoot Firenza likewise and more expensive , the 3 series hadn't yet arrived nor had the Fiat 131. and the Alfa I have to admit to knowing nothing about .
The Mk2 RS2000 I believe was also still to be introduced .
Its an interesting marketplace , small Sports Saloons in 1973
By the end of '73 you also had then had the RS2000, which was cheaper to buy and less complex than the BDA, although not as fast, and not quite as sweet in the handling having more weight up front.
The Firenza was a better bet than the Sprint as well, very sweet chassis, plus it had the ZF as well. Seats were just as crap as the Dolly though, and nothing between them in terms of performance in reality.
If you stretch to 74, if you were really doing your homework, you could have looked at the Broadspeed Manta Turbo as well
If you needed 4 doors though, the Sprint was a contender, the lovely Alfa was just still around for another year, but a lot more expensive, but a better car. The Avenger Tiger was a lot slower, being only 1500cc, but it had a way better chassis than the Sprint. It looked the part as well
That was a big part of the Sprint's problem, unless it was the reasons you were buying it, it just didn't have a sporty image, especially the interior being no different to any other Dolly. The people that chose a Sprint were not really looking at the 2-door options like the RS or Firenza DS or later Chevette HS etc.
Which goes back to my first point.
I was very into Sprints for a few years. When the Dolomite Sprint was launched ( the Very first ( possibly no more than 50 cars ) were L registered and all were Mimosa yellow I believe, but I may have seen a French blue L registered one back in the late 80s ) they rapidly gained quite a following. For someone who needed speed & four doors and a stylish looker they were a very good choice. Good colour choice as well, but I think that some of the BL dealer network let the car down badly. I was an apprentice @ a Dire BL Garage in Woodford Green and we had no end of 1500 Dolomites through the place, they sold very well, but strangely I don’t ever recall seeing a Sprint there, but Lambs & Harvey Hudsons were only up the road.
I had a early dark red Sprint UHM 534M from memory that I rescued from the kerb side in Chadwell Heath in 86 and that I started to prep for racing and a damaged beige W Reg one that I broke as a spares doner. I have vivid memories of being out with my Mum in her second 3 Litre Capri in circa 1975 and of being tailed by 2 guys in a Sprint
I had a early dark red Sprint UHM 534M from memory that I rescued from the kerb side in Chadwell Heath in 86 and that I started to prep for racing and a damaged beige W Reg one that I broke as a spares doner. I have vivid memories of being out with my Mum in her second 3 Litre Capri in circa 1975 and of being tailed by 2 guys in a Sprint
Here’s mine, it’s a grp 4 rally car that I’m putting back together as a road car. Same age as me and has an SH plate from Berwickshire which is where I was brought up.
Big Atlas, turretted, firewalled, 2.0 Duratec, Jenveys & Rocket box. Carbon bonnet, boot and bumpers etc.
Off for paint soon (frozen white), hopefully on road for summer
Big Atlas, turretted, firewalled, 2.0 Duratec, Jenveys & Rocket box. Carbon bonnet, boot and bumpers etc.
Off for paint soon (frozen white), hopefully on road for summer
Edited by Lefty on Sunday 14th January 11:58
SS427 Camaro said:
but I think that some of the BL dealer network let the car down badly.
Very much so (plus a bit of shoddy BL build quality of the day)That was and still is, my cousin's view about the car. He actually rather like it when it worked, but it seemed to rarely do that for more than about 5-6 weeks before it would be back into the dealership for another week or so.
It even had to have the front end re-sprayed within the first 12 months as the paint on the bonnet started bubbling and crazing!
I’m getting the feeling you are a bit on the ropes with this assertion of yours . Firstly you make in my humble opinion a needless insertion of this difference between a 2 door Saloon and a 4 door saloon and complicate matters further by introducing a Manta Coupe which was a Capri Competitor and not even in this marketplace
The Manta incidentally as you say was a lovely handling machine and had a delicacy about its design which I really appreciate . It would never get down the road quicker than a Sprint nor an RS2000 though it did have some competition success in period . The RS1600 is an interesting car but was clearly well past its sell by date a fact which Ford would soon remedy .
Stood in McHarg Rennie and Lindsay , Castlebank Street Glasgow with the old man back in 1973 with the Sprint sat before us and the Magazine Articles all read it presented a compelling choice for a 30 year old Electrician . 13 years old I would later nudge him in the direction of the RS 2000 but he never wavered . 1979 came and the old fella bought another . 1990 came the first RS Ford bought new from Wyllies the Glasgow RS Dealership . I didn’t fancy the Acclaim he harrumphed to me out the back . Japanese st .
The Manta incidentally as you say was a lovely handling machine and had a delicacy about its design which I really appreciate . It would never get down the road quicker than a Sprint nor an RS2000 though it did have some competition success in period . The RS1600 is an interesting car but was clearly well past its sell by date a fact which Ford would soon remedy .
Stood in McHarg Rennie and Lindsay , Castlebank Street Glasgow with the old man back in 1973 with the Sprint sat before us and the Magazine Articles all read it presented a compelling choice for a 30 year old Electrician . 13 years old I would later nudge him in the direction of the RS 2000 but he never wavered . 1979 came and the old fella bought another . 1990 came the first RS Ford bought new from Wyllies the Glasgow RS Dealership . I didn’t fancy the Acclaim he harrumphed to me out the back . Japanese s
t .reddiesel said:
I’m getting the feeling you are a bit on the ropes with this assertion of yours
reddiesel said:
The RS1600 is an interesting car but was clearly well past its sell by date a fact which Ford would soon remedy
Seriously....!That tells me all I need to know about your knowledge on the subject.
Edited by aeropilot on Sunday 14th January 12:33
BL stuff was pretty much a disaster.
Alfas just fell to bits with rust, ditto Fiats and Lancias. We're talking 3-4 years here.
Rootes/Chrysler made BL build quality look good. Vauxhalls weren't much better.
The best 4 door of that era was the Opel Ascona 1.9S. They were properly put together, went well, had a nice ride, good handling and were not expensive. The B version that spawned the first Cavalier was even better.
Aside from those, the first generation Audi 80 was also a very good car with a superb engine.
The RS2000 was unassailable as a solid fun car that you could just use and use. They were absolutely viceless and a very good ownership proposition.
Alfas just fell to bits with rust, ditto Fiats and Lancias. We're talking 3-4 years here.
Rootes/Chrysler made BL build quality look good. Vauxhalls weren't much better.
The best 4 door of that era was the Opel Ascona 1.9S. They were properly put together, went well, had a nice ride, good handling and were not expensive. The B version that spawned the first Cavalier was even better.
Aside from those, the first generation Audi 80 was also a very good car with a superb engine.
The RS2000 was unassailable as a solid fun car that you could just use and use. They were absolutely viceless and a very good ownership proposition.
Great thread to read and one I can relate to having owned or driven a lot of the cars mentioned on here. Sporty saloons are definitely my thing and certainly in the 80s, my friends and myself owned a fair old multitude of them. Fun to drive, cheap to fix/mod in most cases. Had a fair few Escorts, couple of Mk2 RS2000s ( not any of the rare colours though, a Venetian Red one and then a black one )
RS2000 was a popular car for my friends and me to own. Here’s a few of us at Motec Autotest in 1985 - one on the right was Midnight Blue ( with an aftermarket stripe added ) along with friend’s modded and very fast Lotus Sunbeam
My black one with another mate’s yellow one
Perspex headlight protectors on - razzing down the lanes in convoy, they saved the expensive ( but excellent ) headlights from stones kicked up by your mate in front clipping an apex or some gravel
Another friend had a Dolly Sprint, just to try something different
His was really reliable and never had head gasket issues ( although it may have been done in the 7/8 years before he had it maybe ). He certainly drove it hard as you’d expect teenage lads to
Certainly as quick as the RS2000s in a straight line but it was more like the Fiat 131 SuperMirafioris to us, bit more luxurious and heavier in the bends.
Remember seeing a 131 Stradale road car out following the rallies one year ( may have been the Audi Sport ) - that looked brilliant but pretty expensive and very rare. We had a quick word with the owner as we walked out of watching a stage and it sounded like it was great fun in the mould of an X-packed modded RS2.
Also had the E21 323i - they were so cheap to buy secondhand once the E30s arrived and the 6 made a great noise revved hard. Compared to the Escorts though, quite a heavy old thing so the extra 30bhp was kinda negated by the extra weight
This was a Hartge modded 4-speed
Then had a later 5-sp with the Recaros, sunroof - fitted a LSD so it was more fun like the 4-speeder
Some cars you just wanted to be better - never had the droopsnoot Firenza but another mate had a 2.3 flat front Firenza - was ok but just never felt fast as you thought it might with 110bhp.
The ones I would have liked to try were the Ascona 400 - rare but Lotus Sunbeam quick. I often wonder if it was Slippydiff’s one that left us straggling one evening on the back roads to Oswestry. The other one was the small 105 2000GTV Alfa - they seemed like a nice fun car and quite compact. Had a great drive back from the Welsh coast following one in my RS2000.
Tried my mate’s 1300GT Junior a while before and it was nice to drive albeit no faster than my Escort 1300 Mk1 - I think 2-litre power would have been great in one though
Oh and honourable mention to the Lancer 2000 Turbo - first one of these I saw was a girl at work’s one. She was same age as us but she could drive the wheels off it and was a real, if very glam, petrolhead. Made the 323i look like it had the handbrake on
They came up for sale so infrequently but I would definitely have liked one
RS2000 was a popular car for my friends and me to own. Here’s a few of us at Motec Autotest in 1985 - one on the right was Midnight Blue ( with an aftermarket stripe added ) along with friend’s modded and very fast Lotus Sunbeam
My black one with another mate’s yellow one
Perspex headlight protectors on - razzing down the lanes in convoy, they saved the expensive ( but excellent ) headlights from stones kicked up by your mate in front clipping an apex or some gravel
Another friend had a Dolly Sprint, just to try something different
His was really reliable and never had head gasket issues ( although it may have been done in the 7/8 years before he had it maybe ). He certainly drove it hard as you’d expect teenage lads to
Certainly as quick as the RS2000s in a straight line but it was more like the Fiat 131 SuperMirafioris to us, bit more luxurious and heavier in the bends.
Remember seeing a 131 Stradale road car out following the rallies one year ( may have been the Audi Sport ) - that looked brilliant but pretty expensive and very rare. We had a quick word with the owner as we walked out of watching a stage and it sounded like it was great fun in the mould of an X-packed modded RS2.
Also had the E21 323i - they were so cheap to buy secondhand once the E30s arrived and the 6 made a great noise revved hard. Compared to the Escorts though, quite a heavy old thing so the extra 30bhp was kinda negated by the extra weight
This was a Hartge modded 4-speed
Then had a later 5-sp with the Recaros, sunroof - fitted a LSD so it was more fun like the 4-speeder
Some cars you just wanted to be better - never had the droopsnoot Firenza but another mate had a 2.3 flat front Firenza - was ok but just never felt fast as you thought it might with 110bhp.
The ones I would have liked to try were the Ascona 400 - rare but Lotus Sunbeam quick. I often wonder if it was Slippydiff’s one that left us straggling one evening on the back roads to Oswestry. The other one was the small 105 2000GTV Alfa - they seemed like a nice fun car and quite compact. Had a great drive back from the Welsh coast following one in my RS2000.
Tried my mate’s 1300GT Junior a while before and it was nice to drive albeit no faster than my Escort 1300 Mk1 - I think 2-litre power would have been great in one though
Oh and honourable mention to the Lancer 2000 Turbo - first one of these I saw was a girl at work’s one. She was same age as us but she could drive the wheels off it and was a real, if very glam, petrolhead. Made the 323i look like it had the handbrake on
They came up for sale so infrequently but I would definitely have liked one
Edited by s m on Sunday 14th January 14:13
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