Estates That Never Were.....
Discussion
There was a thread on that Toronado a few weeks ago...:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Because the Toronado/Eldorado is front wheel drive and has a separate chassis, it's "easy" to modify the back end, as a car transporter for example >> http://www.442.com/tech/hauler.html
Police State said:
tog said:
Police State said:
Well I've been "off air" for a few weeks - major man flu stuff 
- anyway! back now and thought I'd close off a few topics.
Glad you enjoyed this one - thanks for your contributions
If you like your Granada's, Policestate, then I this this is a Colne Minster thingy conversion (?)
This Bentley has come up for sale recently - wouldn't look out of place on an American golf course would it?.... groan!
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Of course we Brit's really know how to design our own, with a keen eye for detail and equal dash of flair and dexterity in execution of detail and VOILA!......
An XJ40 Estate!
and now properly done.... still not keen on this one, don't think the lilnes flow
but this one does
There you go now! - Have we done this thread to death?
- anyway! back now and thought I'd close off a few topics.Glad you enjoyed this one - thanks for your contributions
If you like your Granada's, Policestate, then I this this is a Colne Minster thingy conversion (?)
This Bentley has come up for sale recently - wouldn't look out of place on an American golf course would it?.... groan!
[url][img]Of course we Brit's really know how to design our own, with a keen eye for detail and equal dash of flair and dexterity in execution of detail and VOILA!......
An XJ40 Estate!
and now properly done.... still not keen on this one, don't think the lilnes flow
but this one does
There you go now! - Have we done this thread to death?
the second , better, xj40 estate in carsie's post above suffers, like the other jag and rover p6 estates in the thread of the looking like it has a 'broken back' in estate form as we have become used to estates that are flat or 'upward' sloping at the waistline rather than the slight droop of the protoype saloons
inkiboo said:
On the Bentley above, that is a shooting brake not an estate. An estate has 4 doors, the brake has 2.
IMHO this is a modern and common idea but it's not historically and technically exact.In the early 19th century, a brake was a large carriage-frame without body, used for breaking in young horses. By the late 19th century the meaning had been extended to a large wagonnette designed for country use. A “shooting brake” carried a driver and gamekeeper facing forward and up to six sportsmen on longitudinal benches with their dogs, guns and game carried alongside in slat-sided racks.
Since the 20’s years the term applied to custom built 4 doors estate cars converted from luxury saloons for use by British hunters to carry dogs and guns. Basis were often Rolls Royce and Bentleys (but others are known). Coachwork was usually made from wood (but some were built with metal). These were “popular” in the British aristocracy until the 50’s years.
Then came David Brown who ordered his staff to build him a car to accommodate his pet dog. The answer was probably the first “modern” shooting brake (well known Aston Martin DB5 Shooting brake 1963). Others Aston Martin shooting brakes were produced, either with 2 or with 4 doors, and you can still order one to your own specs.
Since the unveiling of the DB5 shooting-brake, it becomes popular to think at a shooting brake as an estate car converted from a coupe: fast, comfortable, from luxury origin and very exclusive. Yes, but there was already such a concept car, the Allard Safari. British car built in the early 50’s, the chassis came from an Allard racing car (adapted for road driving), the engine was a powerful American V8, the 2 doors body built on wood frame gave places for 6 to 8 persons. David Brown’s “modern” shooting brake was not the first one, and other cars have been, and still are, converted to 2 or to 4 doors shooting brakes.
Historically, a shooting brake is the craft conversion of a car into an utilitarian car. Should it be based on a convertible, on a coupé or on a saloon didn’t change the concept which define a shooting brake. If you take a coupé and convert it to an estate you'll call it a shooting brake because it's was converted. If you take a saloon and convert it to an estate you'll call it a shooting brake as well because it's converted as well... and because it's different from a factory estate. And all shooting brakes are estates cars (utilitarian cars with a tailgate or with rear doors to load them) even if they are special ones.
Edited by BDF! on Monday 7th March 22:30
radlet6 said:
But it begs the question, why did they never make it? Looks quite a handsome beast and probably would have sold well as a mid to high end estate car.
They make it yes!This one mk2 in USA tests:
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And it's not a Photoshop!
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