Most expensive E-Types ??
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a8hex said:
Throttles jamming open wasn't just a problem on the injected engines. I understand it wasn't unknown on the Weber equipped ones too.
Never in my life heard of that one. Webers have a standard cable and the usual linkage. The problems with the sliding throttle injection was the coefficient of expansion between the sliding throttle and the throttle body, both being made of different metals. Caused it to seize. lowdrag said:
If you don't know Henry Pearman and the amount of work that goes into an Eagle E Type then you haven't lived! There is still a few years wait if you want one of his specially built E types and the attention to detail is mind boggling. There are E types and there is an Eagle E type, so please don't confuse the two. Clarkson used one of his to go around Europe having previously said that E types were poo, then changed his mind. No, if you want an ordinary roadster like mine then it is probably worth sbout £25K, but a Henry car is from another planet.
Only just seen this thread - I've spent a lot of time with Henry, Paul and the guys in the past couple of years as they build me a car, and the attention to detail is incredible. I've forgotten what Henry's most recent guess was for the man-hour count per build, but seem to recall its above 3,500. When I first went there with a friend who already has an Eagle I was interested but sceptical, yet left the same day convinced I wanted one. Its not even as though they do a sales pitch, they don't need to. Mine is still about a year away, and I cannot wait! Check out the Eagle website - www.eaglegb.com - on the news section they show pictures of one of their most recent handovers to a well known person. I won't spoil the surprise other than to say one would think this guy knows what makes a good driver's car!!!!
Good publicity for Eagle (Martin Brundle picking up his E-Type). However I wonder if he got a discount seeing who he is. And as the owner of a Series 2 Roadster who has had 9 years experiance of paying for upgrades - 5 speed Gear Box & practically everything else new I know the sort of expenditure required & it does NOT justify Eagles ludicrous charges.
Myobb said:
Good publicity for Eagle (Martin Brundle picking up his E-Type). However I wonder if he got a discount seeing who he is. And as the owner of a Series 2 Roadster who has had 9 years experiance of paying for upgrades - 5 speed Gear Box & practically everything else new I know the sort of expenditure required & it does NOT justify Eagles ludicrous charges.
With them building 2 or 3 cars a year, and a three-ish year waiting list, there's no great need to give discounts. Granted though Eagle will benefit from his buying one, but then again they are pretty low key when it comes to publicity. I can't comment on how one drives compared to your car of course Myobb, but unless you've driven a fair amount of miles in an Eagle, and been through what they actually do to a car at great length, then your statement that their work and charges are way over to top is somewhat misinformed. Each to their own, I chose to go the Eagle route and would therefore obviously disagree with you, but its purely personal choice. One things for sure, I'll end up with a car far more driveable than my DB6, which has all the TLC its possible to lavish on a classic but still drives like a 1970 Aston.....There is no doubt in my mind as a specialist, that Henry is about the best in the business for modified E types.It is all about the attention to detail and back up service that he offers which creates a benchmark for others to follow. Like ourselves he too offers engine management alternatives but will not sell any of his developments as a package to the public.They have to be orchestrated within a Eagle E only.
I think it very foolish for anyone to argue over the price/ value these two specialists command for their products, that is JDs and Eagle. In fact,that applies to any specialist.
As far as Jaguar are concerned, by both Derrick and Henry ,by achieving high prices for their exceptional products, have raised the values of the marque considerably . As for the specialists further down the work chain, this has resulted in a huge influx of activity, enquiries and work. Great for us all in this current economic climate. At last I can see quality work be recognised and valued.
So as a fellow specialist in a a un-regulated industry, both these companies have laid down the ground rules in quality for other companies to aspire to.
Those that don`t will die! It`s that simple.
Well done!
I think it very foolish for anyone to argue over the price/ value these two specialists command for their products, that is JDs and Eagle. In fact,that applies to any specialist.
As far as Jaguar are concerned, by both Derrick and Henry ,by achieving high prices for their exceptional products, have raised the values of the marque considerably . As for the specialists further down the work chain, this has resulted in a huge influx of activity, enquiries and work. Great for us all in this current economic climate. At last I can see quality work be recognised and valued.
So as a fellow specialist in a a un-regulated industry, both these companies have laid down the ground rules in quality for other companies to aspire to.
Those that don`t will die! It`s that simple.
Well done!
I agree with you entirely Paul. I've been to Henry's a few times and the attention to detail is truly amazing. It's like buying a freshly painted car and then finding out that underneath you've bought a wreck compared to a completely rebuilt car. You will get enormous pleasure from an Eagle car and at the same time have a car that will always be reliable and virtually rustproof. Also, there are a few Jaguar specialists whose cars will always sell at a premium, including RS Panels, CMC and CKL who you have missed out. Henry's development work over the years has resulted in cars that are nothing like a standard E type, neither in the power nor the handling departments. I am thinking of sending the E type to CKL for a makeover in a year or so if I have the cash.
Delighted by the other posters that seem to concur with my view. I spent today down with Henry going through my own build, though as always spent as much time looking around everything that's down there - unbelievable. The thing that impresses me as much as anything else is the passion for the cars that these guys have. As others have said they won't put their name to anything sub-standard so as not to compromise the brand, and truly care about the cars that come out.
We failed to resolve the important question today though....what colour should mine be?!
We failed to resolve the important question today though....what colour should mine be?!
Only you can decide. I rebuilt mine in 1988 and spent ages agonising over the colour. I got a 6x6 sheet of metal and quartered it, then bought cans and cans of paint. Most I discarded on the spot when I'd painted one sector, others I went further. I ended up with this:-
I don't regret it at all, but sometimes I get a twinge of guilt in not repainting it the original colours of gunmetal and red interior. Really, sorry and all that, I don't think we can help. It is a very personal choice.
I don't regret it at all, but sometimes I get a twinge of guilt in not repainting it the original colours of gunmetal and red interior. Really, sorry and all that, I don't think we can help. It is a very personal choice.
Yep, its up to Mr Deltahedge of course, and the choice will be made, don't know if this will be a coupe or roadster..?
Coupe; Opalescent Maroon, cream hide.
Roadster; Opalescent Gunmetal, red hide.
If the car is a series one, I have to agree these were possibly the prettiest sports car ever,going off topic a bit if I may, which IS the better engine; 3.8 or 4.2 XK..?
Having lived with the 4.2 in 420 and XJ,and endured grief with head gasket and valve guides,I wonder if it was an improvement?
Paul/runt
Coupe; Opalescent Maroon, cream hide.
Roadster; Opalescent Gunmetal, red hide.
If the car is a series one, I have to agree these were possibly the prettiest sports car ever,going off topic a bit if I may, which IS the better engine; 3.8 or 4.2 XK..?
Having lived with the 4.2 in 420 and XJ,and endured grief with head gasket and valve guides,I wonder if it was an improvement?
Paul/runt
runt said:
Yep, its up to Mr Deltahedge of course, and the choice will be made, don't know if this will be a coupe or roadster..?
Coupe; Opalescent Maroon, cream hide.
Roadster; Opalescent Gunmetal, red hide.
If the car is a series one, I have to agree these were possibly the prettiest sports car ever,going off topic a bit if I may, which IS the better engine; 3.8 or 4.2 XK..?
Having lived with the 4.2 in 420 and XJ,and endured grief with head gasket and valve guides,I wonder if it was an improvement?
Paul/runt
Thanks all.Coupe; Opalescent Maroon, cream hide.
Roadster; Opalescent Gunmetal, red hide.
If the car is a series one, I have to agree these were possibly the prettiest sports car ever,going off topic a bit if I may, which IS the better engine; 3.8 or 4.2 XK..?
Having lived with the 4.2 in 420 and XJ,and endured grief with head gasket and valve guides,I wonder if it was an improvement?
Paul/runt
Currently thinking some kind of dark gun metal, they have suggested trying a couple of panels out in different colours to see which show off the contours better - its going to be roofless..... Am very lucky to have this "problem" so not complaining. This is going to be a 4.7 aluminium engine so can't comment on the others, have only driven the Eagle-ised versions so not particularly useful I suspect.
One of the finest E Types in existance was/is the ex John Butterworth Mk 111 V12,(with nameplate) which John spent a fortune on restoring, which has now been sold on for well over £100,000 a couple of years ago IIRC.
I well remember seeing this car under dust sheets in the early eighties in John's Bacup showroom/workshop before he started restoration....
http://www.classiccartv.co.uk/play.asp?Title=John%...
http://www.classiccartv.co.uk/play.asp?Title=The%2...
I well remember seeing this car under dust sheets in the early eighties in John's Bacup showroom/workshop before he started restoration....
http://www.classiccartv.co.uk/play.asp?Title=John%...
http://www.classiccartv.co.uk/play.asp?Title=The%2...
I am probably on my own here but I like driving my E-Type as it would have been when made. That's half the fun to have something which isn't perfect and that has its own quirks and fascinations.
I think the Eagle cars are great but they are not exactlty the vintage driving experience. They represent a modern take on the E-Type - after all the car performs to a modern stanard. They have their own place in the market and should command very high sums as so much work has been involved. But I just wouldn't.
I think the Eagle cars are great but they are not exactlty the vintage driving experience. They represent a modern take on the E-Type - after all the car performs to a modern stanard. They have their own place in the market and should command very high sums as so much work has been involved. But I just wouldn't.
Hmm, originality. As an ex concours judge I know a little bit about it. For the real driving experience and track and hill climb use my car had crossplies. Much easier to control. Now it's a tourer it has radials. Very few cars are as per original nowadays; they've had the engine rebuilt and it has more power, they have Spax and not Armstrong dampers, the tyres are far more grippy, the quality of petrol has improved. No, I don't want to go back to the old days except for lesser traffic and no speed limits!
I see what you're saying and I do agree - I just wouldn't take it as far as the Eagle that's all. My car is hardly orginal but it is hugely fun to drive but certainly nothing like up to modern standards - and I must say this can be a pain when it comes to breaking and hence why we are sorting that bit out. But I still don't need a 100k+ car to enjoy my E-Type
The E type correctly sorted restored in standard form can often be a pleasure to drive and maintain as you all rightly point out. I have a client with a 2 plus 2 who uses the car everyday, rain snow whatever. A 1967 model and totally standard. After 12K mileage this year and general servicing ,he has had no other expense. We keep up the rust prevention and that enables winter use without worry.
Jim Pattens` car( Jag world) which we screwed back together in 1996 ), has covered some 40K and is a standard 4.2. The only problem has been one failed fuel pump, nothing else.
With technological progress the average driver forgets how poorly these cars were maintained in the past, yet how robust they can be despite neglect.
They really are a fine british product in every department .
Every owner , especially with Jaguar, dream of making improvements. In truth, there are areas which do need it, but without the cars are still very liveable as you all point out.
On the eagle side,I know Henry checks his sales cars to the enth degree, and applies the same degree of responsibilty and care as he does to the modified cars.
Sales cars have frames inspected rigorously for cracking and rot, any hint of degeneration and they are replaced. The average owner doesn`t carry out these checks. I have cars in where the frame has cracked behind the bronze welding and the client has no knowledge of this.
Ordinary sales cars from Henry give owners complete peace of mind , hence the prices.
Jim Pattens` car( Jag world) which we screwed back together in 1996 ), has covered some 40K and is a standard 4.2. The only problem has been one failed fuel pump, nothing else.
With technological progress the average driver forgets how poorly these cars were maintained in the past, yet how robust they can be despite neglect.
They really are a fine british product in every department .
Every owner , especially with Jaguar, dream of making improvements. In truth, there are areas which do need it, but without the cars are still very liveable as you all point out.
On the eagle side,I know Henry checks his sales cars to the enth degree, and applies the same degree of responsibilty and care as he does to the modified cars.
Sales cars have frames inspected rigorously for cracking and rot, any hint of degeneration and they are replaced. The average owner doesn`t carry out these checks. I have cars in where the frame has cracked behind the bronze welding and the client has no knowledge of this.
Ordinary sales cars from Henry give owners complete peace of mind , hence the prices.
smifffymoto said:
My father had one of the 50,bought it for £125000 about 20 years ago from Hampson's in Winsford
I have a 1 owner from new (well till I bought it) and the guy was offered £250k for it in the late 80'sI happen to think these will become properly valuable again one day as in the whole 14 yrs of E Type these were the only numbered cars......................Even though I'd sooner be driving an S1.
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