MK1 3 Litre Capris, How Many Survive ?

[DBSV8]

neutral 3 said:

Horrific photos....... It appears that it's gone end over end . Ime guessing by the Blue / White colour scheme, Texaco decals, BBS ? Alloys , Bilstein ? decals etc etc and possibly the last style of wide arch body kit before the full Cologne 1974 body kit , that this is 1973.

Motor Sport mag Allways had a great ETC write up via the Late Great Dennis Jenkinson in each issue. I will have a quick look through my old copies to see if the crash is mentioned

more investigation reveals it was indeed the no 3 car driven by Dieter Glemser at the Nurburgring who crashed after 12 laps due to steering failure

more info here

http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jong/Races/1973%2...

[mark387mw]

Being inspired by this thread and the phrase "The Car You Always Promised Yourself", I found this on our local ads website:

a facelift 1974 MK1 3 litre

approx 5000 pounds, is that a fair price?

[DBSV8]

mark387mw said:

Being inspired by this thread and the phrase "The Car You Always Promised Yourself", I found this on our local ads website:

a facelift 1974 MK1 3 litre

approx 5000 pounds, is that a fair price?

It looks in tidy condition ,

I would check the documentation does it say 3 litre or was it a 1600/ 2000 with a v6 transplant ? if its the latter you have a good case for lowering the price genuine 3000s command higher prices , it has GXL headlamps so could be a 3 litre GXL .

Easy way to check is pop the bonnet , all 3 litre mk 1's had triangular cross braces between the front corner bulkead and inner wings . There should also be strenghtening plates over the Mcpherson struts and finally the engine mounting cross beam should have three bolts not two.

lift the carpet and Check carefully the front floorpan around the foot pedals , and inner sills also on passenger side , get a torch and check behind the wheel arches / front outer sills all known areas for rot , from engine bay check the front scuttle .........be wary if the car is lavered in underseal , see if the car has had poly bushes fitted , relatively cheap upgrade and will make a great difference to handling , a simple upgrade is to upgrade the front brakes for ventilated discs ( 2.8i ) the V6 capris were heavy old lumps and original brakes will be no match for modern traffic.

The essex 3 litres are fairly solid lumps , known problems were oil starvation , check the hexagonal bolt that drives the oil pump from the distributor is not worn , if it has replace it.

..............other thing is its virtually the same colour as mine in Subaru blue

good luck

[mark387mw]

The advert has a pic under the bonnet:

[DBSV8]

Definitely looks like an original 3000 GXL to me , I have ringed the additional braces you can see in the top corner and additional strengthing plates over the mcpherson struts these were only fitted to 3 litres

looks very tidy example , remember it will always go up in price , these 3 litres are getting rare

I would get it checked out and as long as its not hiding any series issues go for it

................one other thing these were very tail happy in the wet ...lots of fun



similar colour this was my mk1 fitted with a 2.8i with technics turbo conversion before i sold the engine .......it was leathal in the wet when the turbo kicked in !!

Edited by DBSV8 on Wednesday 30th May 11:51

[dockertrigger]

Here's a few Mk1 3000's I've seen over the last few years.


1971 Ford Capri 3.0 V6 GT by Trigger's Retro Road Tests!, on Flickr

Genuine number plate!


1973 Ford Capri 3.0 GXL Mk1 by Trigger's Retro Road Tests!, on Flickr


1972 Ford Capri 3000 V6 GT XLR Mk1 by Trigger's Retro Road Tests!, on Flickr


1974 Ford Capri 3000 GXL Mk 1 by Trigger's Retro Road Tests!, on Flickr


1974 Ford Capri 3000 GXL Mk 1 by Trigger's Retro Road Tests!, on Flickr


1971 Ford Capri 3000 GT Mk1 by Trigger's Retro Road Tests!, on Flickr


1974 Ford Capri 3000 GXL by Trigger's Retro Road Tests!, on Flickr


1972 Ford Capri 3000 V6 GXL Mk1 by Trigger's Retro Road Tests!, on Flickr


Ford Capri 3000 GT Mk 1 Advert 1969 by Trigger's Retro Road Tests!, on Flickr

and one more to throw you, a 5.0 V8 version called a Perana from South Africa.


1972 Ford Capri 5.0 V8 Perana by Trigger's Retro Road Tests!, on Flickr

[nicknoo]

dockertrigger said:

Here's a few Mk1 3000's I've seen over the last few years.

and one more to throw you, a 5.0 V8 version called a Perana from South Africa.


1972 Ford Capri 5.0 V8 Perana by Trigger's Retro Road Tests!, on Flickr

Oh yeah, Basil Green's finest! These were based on 3 litre shells and then quite heavily modified to get the Windsor 302 with toploader 4 speed in there. Built from CKD's in Edenvale, Gauteng near Johannesburg.

He also did mods to many other Fords including the Granada Perana (5.0 V8 Mk I).

[uk_vette]

So getting back to the 2,8L and the 3.0L, what was the original power outputs from these two ?
What could one expect if one just spent a modest amount of money, what power levels could be expected then?

A modest sum of money being say £1000

vette

[Egbert Nobacon]

dockertrigger said:

1972 Ford Capri 3000 V6 GT XLR Mk1 by Trigger's Retro Road Tests!, on Flickr

Spitting image of my old 3000E.

[liner33]

uk_vette said:

So getting back to the 2,8L and the 3.0L, what was the original power outputs from these two ?
What could one expect if one just spent a modest amount of money, what power levels could be expected then?

A modest sum of money being say £1000

vette

3.0l had 128-138hp depending on year and the 2.8i around 150-160hp

My 3.0l GXL had around 185hp although i never dyno'ed it

Was bored to 3.1 (due to wear instead of hp chasing), gas flowed heads , good old agressive Kent cam, decent exhaust manifold and system. Was great revved and revved not like stock and was a match for the Pug 205 1.9 GTI's that were the weapon of choice back then and even a stock Cossie Saph wouldnt embarrass it. Was a sod in traffic though , would often overheat and the brakes were shocking!! But i loved it

Factory 0-60 was about 8.3 so comparable to my diesel Octavia daily driver but i reckon it was good for mid to low 7 second 0-60's with the modifications

My 2.8i was about the same power thanks to a k&n , full janspeed exhaust and a minor tweaks but didnt feel anywhere near as quick as the mk1 and the factory 0-60 was just under the 8 second mark

So the 2.8 is certainly cheaper to get up to around 180-190 especially if you have a good one so you should get those kind of mods for £1k

So even today they are no slouch

[neutral 3]

Re the Deiter Glemser smash , he was lucky to walk ? Away from that one !
Was it 73 ?
Capris don't take a whack very well, in the early 80s , my Sis very sadly lost 3 friends when their 1600GT rolled .

[DBSV8]

neutral 3 said:

Re the Deiter Glemser smash , he was lucky to walk ? Away from that one !
Was it 73 ?
Capris don't take a whack very well, in the early 80s , my Sis very sadly lost 3 friends when their 1600GT rolled .

Yes it was definitely the 1973 European touring car race at the Nurburgring and he was very lucky.

your right about the integrity of the Capris compounded by being tail happy with most of the weight bias at the front ,my first car was a mk 1 3 litre ....neighbour commented at the time "yell kill yerself in that thing ! " ......I had a few near misses and put her in a few hedges " 19 year old learning road craft on a wet road normally = ditches !!

My track car is going along the lines of full FIA cage and its going to based on the early 71 Colognes ......however ..... I am going to keep the duck tail even if its not historically correct

[Lost soul]

coley20 said:

boyzee said:

Another of my many 3 litre capri,s this one with cologne body kit.

Im not really into old cars, but that is pretty sexy

[neutral 3]

Re Cologne Replicas, i have Just found a great little write up with photos by Jeremy Walton . In early 72 he visited the Cologne Comps Dept to see the 72 RS 2600 Race Capris being built .
It apears that the Blue / White colour scheme was introduced for 72 . The photo shows a stunning Silver with a Blue Bonnet 71 RS Capri , still on rectangular headlamps, which is in the w shop to be built up to the 72 spec.


That colour scheme really suits the Capri.

[Lost soul]

I dont think there are many days when i look in on PH that i do not see a thread about this car or that rebuild and the next thing i know i am looking through the classifieds and thinking seriously about going retro

Now i am on the hunt for a Capri even though i had 2 3 lts when i was a yoof and know all about how st they are

[Bladeloon]

Lost soul said:

I dont think there are many days when i look in on PH that i do not see a thread about this car or that rebuild and the next thing i know i am looking through the classifieds and thinking seriously about going retro

Now i am on the hunt for a Capri even though i had 2 3 lts when i was a yoof and know all about how st they are

Yes you and me both, been looking a 2.8i's as they seem to be fairly reasonable in prices, as decent facelift 3.0 GXL's are going for between £10-£12k, which is way more than i want to spend as much as i'd like another, i just wonder if all the memories of my old 3.0 would be wiped away if i bought another and it was a disapointment

mark387mw said:

Being inspired by this thread and the phrase "The Car You Always Promised Yourself", I found this on our local ads website:

a facelift 1974 MK1 3 litre

approx 5000 pounds, is that a fair price?

This blue one is stunning, might be a bit of a trek to buy in though its in NZ

Edited by Bladeloon on Friday 1st June 10:56

[TISPKJ]

Yes you and me both, been looking a 2.8i's as they seem to be fairly reasonable in prices, as decent facelift 3.0 GXL's are going for between £10-£12k, which is way more than i want to spend as much as i'd like another, i just wonder if all the memories of my old 3.0 would be wiped away if i bought another and it was a disapointment


I had 3x 3 litre S's back in the day:

A 76 mk2 ex motorshow display car
A 79 mk3
And an 81 mk3 with modified engine, suspension, exhaust, and brakes

That ended in about 84 ish, turn the clock forward to 97 or so and I needed to get a car for my then girlfriend to replace an old golf, she was on a budget but we found a mint white 2.8 nutcase fanatical owner car that we gave about £1100 for from memory, couldnt wait to drive it home (for her of course)

Drove like a dont know what, thought I would get the back out and have some fun but the brakes and general handling I just found to be a dissapointment and bl00dy dangerous to be honest.
When I think back to what we did with them in 84 I dont know how Im still here.

Drive one first would be my advise ...

I still want another though :-)

But as the old saying goes time waits for no man !

Interestingly enough I changed the capri for a 450 SL with AMG kit and raced that around for a bit.
Now have an as new 10k mile 350 SL and as before how I am still here is questionable, brakes on the old merc though are still the best around (car jumps out of the MOT rollers front and rear !!)

Happy days eh

[neutral 3]

Happy Capri days ......yes, I don't know how I got through them either.....lol !! My nick name for a while was "wheel spin willy " as my first 3000GT, a Daytona Yellow 72 Pre facelift , would smoke its tyres for a long way . I had many more 3 Litre capris after her, but only 1 was almost as quick .

I had that first one up on 2 wheels as she span round and round at nearly 100.... How she didn't go over I still can't understand...

That dice with with a Blue Big Block Shelby GT500 Mustang ....She would regularly show up far more expensive cars....
How I wish I hadn't swapped her at that "Horse Traders " in Croydon for that Damson TR6 with the bent chassis .....they saw me coming a mile away.....

[TISPKJ]

Do you know what, there are not many things I have bought for my cars that I can look back on and say they were really worthwhile, the only one that sticks out is the LSD I bought for £100 out of motoring news for the last 3 ltr Capri.

Doughnuts, cream doughnuts, and the best of all the U turn in a space not possible the biggest crowd pleaser of the lot :-)

[Spitfire2]

rallycross said:

Spitfire2 said:

An update on this car. The restoration is well underway.


It's going to be something else - it's one of the Roger/Stan Clark cars & feasibly the only running 4WD Capris left. Can't wait

Keep us updated so good this has been found and will be restored these are a special part of rallycross history! see attached photo

Can't post the pics right now but will ASAP, however I saw the car yesterday. It's approaching paint time.

The guys are using old magazines to ensure they get the paint right etc. they are also repairing the original parts rather than replacing.

And, get this, the pic linked by Rallycross above is the actual car I've been following.

As mentioned before the trumpets through the bonnet were a later addition so they won't be coming back.