Chris Evans' latest Italian classic
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stuttgartmetal said:
I remember FIAT 130's in the early 80's.
Whenever you saw one, it was misfiring, and just rough looking.
Awful p[anel fit, they were mostly damp inside.
No-one wanted them.
The Ferrari engine was a nightmare to maintain.
A proper collectors car.
Drive ten mile, then go back and collect all the bits that's fallen off.
LOL
Good on you Chris.
The 130 didn't have a Ferrari engine. Whenever you saw one, it was misfiring, and just rough looking.
Awful p[anel fit, they were mostly damp inside.
No-one wanted them.
The Ferrari engine was a nightmare to maintain.
A proper collectors car.
Drive ten mile, then go back and collect all the bits that's fallen off.
LOL
Good on you Chris.
It was a Lampredi design, but otherwise had no connection to Ferrari.
The Dino Coupe and Spyder did, not the 130.
I have one and it really is the best available!
See it for sale on car & Classics
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C226276
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See it for sale on car & Classics
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C226276
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I'm sorry to rain on anyone's parade, but the better the photos are, the worse the 130 Coupe looks.
Pininfarina's overall shape works so very well, but the devil is in the details, and all sorts of details here are just plain clumsy. The front end in particular.
Lancia Gamma Coupe, please.
Pininfarina's overall shape works so very well, but the devil is in the details, and all sorts of details here are just plain clumsy. The front end in particular.
Lancia Gamma Coupe, please.
As a kid I always wondered why those were called 130 while being
much larger than 131 and 132,the 133 again was tiny...
http://bringatrailer.com/2013/10/28/1973-fiat-130-...
Not much to add more than this BAT discussion.
Our local dealer had both the Gamma and the Fiat on display and
sold none of them.
He switched to Toyota around 30years ago, which made me mad as
a schoolboy. Today I understand the "sellout". At least he sold
something...;)
Martin
much larger than 131 and 132,the 133 again was tiny...
http://bringatrailer.com/2013/10/28/1973-fiat-130-...
Not much to add more than this BAT discussion.
Our local dealer had both the Gamma and the Fiat on display and
sold none of them.
He switched to Toyota around 30years ago, which made me mad as
a schoolboy. Today I understand the "sellout". At least he sold
something...;)
Martin
Justayellowbadge said:
stuttgartmetal said:
I remember FIAT 130's in the early 80's.
The Ferrari engine was a nightmare to maintain
The 130 didn't have a Ferrari engine. The Ferrari engine was a nightmare to maintain
It was a Lampredi design, but otherwise had no connection to Ferrari.
pacoryan said:
Er yeah, why not??!!
(Not sure if serious...... but no, it is a standard misconception that the 130 lump is basically a Dino V6. Which it isn't. And even if it was, the Dino is badged a Dino, not a Ferrari.)
I concur that the FIAT 130 engine is most definitely not a Ferrari engine - Far too many differences for anybody to claim that the two engines are from the same family.(Not sure if serious...... but no, it is a standard misconception that the 130 lump is basically a Dino V6. Which it isn't. And even if it was, the Dino is badged a Dino, not a Ferrari.)
However, on your statement about Dino engines not being Ferrari engines:
Isn't Dino simply a trademark of Ferrari rather than a separate company?
Weren't the Dino engines originally built for Ferrari race cars and then later the designs were modified to make road car engines? (albeit built by FIAT)
And wasn't the name Dino chosen because it was the nickname of Enzo Ferrari's son, who played some part on designing the V6 engine?
Are Dino engines (and cars for that matter), not accepted by the classic car World as being Ferrari engines/cars?
As I understand things, neither the badge on the engine, nor where the engines were built and by whom, gives cause to declare that they are not Ferrari engines!
4rephill said:
pacoryan said:
Er yeah, why not??!!
(Not sure if serious...... but no, it is a standard misconception that the 130 lump is basically a Dino V6. Which it isn't. And even if it was, the Dino is badged a Dino, not a Ferrari.)
I concur that the FIAT 130 engine is most definitely not a Ferrari engine - Far too many differences for anybody to claim that the two engines are from the same family.(Not sure if serious...... but no, it is a standard misconception that the 130 lump is basically a Dino V6. Which it isn't. And even if it was, the Dino is badged a Dino, not a Ferrari.)
However, on your statement about Dino engines not being Ferrari engines:
Isn't Dino simply a trademark of Ferrari rather than a separate company?
Weren't the Dino engines originally built for Ferrari race cars and then later the designs were modified to make road car engines? (albeit built by FIAT)
And wasn't the name Dino chosen because it was the nickname of Enzo Ferrari's son, who played some part on designing the V6 engine?
Are Dino engines (and cars for that matter), not accepted by the classic car World as being Ferrari engines/cars?
As I understand things, neither the badge on the engine, nor where the engines were built and by whom, gives cause to declare that they are not Ferrari engines!
IIRC (where's my copy of that great 308/328 book) the Dino GT4 was eventually badged as a Ferrari too.
I rapidly became bored of the snootery and honestly I have no hesitation in calling 246's or GT4's a Ferrari!!!
but even I wouldn't put the horse on a 130 Coupe!!
stuttgartmetal said:
Whatever.
It was a spluttery misfiring engine that needed all the taps open, all the time.
It rusted so bad, you could here it fizzing at night.
The switch gear was made of that plastic that crumbles, and the build quality, not.
Design was beautiful, at ten metres.
Hmm I have different memories of my Dad's daily driver in about 1982, so it was only ten years old.It was a spluttery misfiring engine that needed all the taps open, all the time.
It rusted so bad, you could here it fizzing at night.
The switch gear was made of that plastic that crumbles, and the build quality, not.
Design was beautiful, at ten metres.
It only spluttered when it ate head gaskets. Which it did. Opening the taps made no difference. As for the switch gear? Well the electric windows were not to be touched, so I didn't really get to try any others!! And the fizzing on a quiet night was dampened by the filler...
I think all this trauma is what drives me to find a "good one" (Unicorn) and put all those memories to rest/rust.
Still one of the most comfortable coupes to sit in (back too) and I reckon the design is pretty fine.
Lampredi did engines for Fiat, Lancia and for Ferrari. The 130 engine is not a Ferrari engine because Lampredi once was assigned for Ferrari.
Wikipedia:
Using the 128 type A motor as a basis, a new crossflow V6 engine, with a 60° vee angle and rubber-toothed-belt driven twin overhead camshafts was developed for the model by (...) Lampredi. It became known as the 130 type A engine with a capacity of 2866 cc and a power output of 140 bhp (104 kW; 142 PS) at 5600 rpm.
The engine was uprated to 160 bhp (119 kW) for 1970, which involved raising the compression ratio from 8.3:1 to 9.0:1, increasing the size of the carburettor choke from 42 to 45 mm and reducing back pressure by extending the portion of the exhaust manifold that used individual pipes on each side of the V format engine. This provided useful performance improvements in a market-segment where relatively new models from Mercedes-Benz and Jaguar north of the Alps were setting an increasingly competitive pace.
In 1971, the 130 type B engine was introduced, featuring a slightly increased bore (102 mm instead of 96 mm), displacing 3235 cc and producing 165 bhp (123 kW) at 5600 rpm.
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Not excessive power for a 3.2. Period Beemers had a bit more. I have never driven one but I can only guess the engine is not as peaky as a Ferrari V6 would be and smoothness / torque is key.
Wikipedia:
Using the 128 type A motor as a basis, a new crossflow V6 engine, with a 60° vee angle and rubber-toothed-belt driven twin overhead camshafts was developed for the model by (...) Lampredi. It became known as the 130 type A engine with a capacity of 2866 cc and a power output of 140 bhp (104 kW; 142 PS) at 5600 rpm.
The engine was uprated to 160 bhp (119 kW) for 1970, which involved raising the compression ratio from 8.3:1 to 9.0:1, increasing the size of the carburettor choke from 42 to 45 mm and reducing back pressure by extending the portion of the exhaust manifold that used individual pipes on each side of the V format engine. This provided useful performance improvements in a market-segment where relatively new models from Mercedes-Benz and Jaguar north of the Alps were setting an increasingly competitive pace.
In 1971, the 130 type B engine was introduced, featuring a slightly increased bore (102 mm instead of 96 mm), displacing 3235 cc and producing 165 bhp (123 kW) at 5600 rpm.
...
Not excessive power for a 3.2. Period Beemers had a bit more. I have never driven one but I can only guess the engine is not as peaky as a Ferrari V6 would be and smoothness / torque is key.
EskimoArapaho said:
I'm sorry to rain on anyone's parade, but the better the photos are, the worse the 130 Coupe looks.
Pininfarina's overall shape works so very well, but the devil is in the details, and all sorts of details here are just plain clumsy. The front end in particular.
Lancia Gamma Coupe, please.
I've always found the 4dr Gamma far better looking than coupe.Pininfarina's overall shape works so very well, but the devil is in the details, and all sorts of details here are just plain clumsy. The front end in particular.
Lancia Gamma Coupe, please.
Hello as theres not many pages on facebook on Fiat 130 of 1970s . i thought it be good to start one so i have see link https://www.facebook.com/groups/1470889053137071/ me .. Andrew Morris aka ( jagnuts ) and Brian Stigant aka (the stig ) are the admins of the page on facebook we have posted a lots so far on there anyone is welcome to join as long as you have a love for the Fiat 130 cars of 1970s regards Andrew The name of the page is Fiat 130 cars of the world. THERES NOW 99 MEMBERS AND NOW WE HAVE ON 16/2/2014 146 MEMBERS
Edited by jagnuts on Sunday 16th February 17:40
Edited by jagnuts on Sunday 16th February 17:41
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