The Range Rover Classic thread

[Paw]

I do really like that Porsche grey, I must say it's on my list if I have a color change, It's why I looked for a niagra car..

[soxboy]

ClaphamGT3 said:

far from being the long-lost hunting Range Rover of Prince Bernhard, it was in fact cobbled together with an angle grinder and a mig welder by Darryl in a lock-up in Burnley

I think I valued his workshop last week, he was using the angle grinder to cut open a safe.

[Rangeroverover]

My 91 is in Westminster Grey and is the perfect colour

squirdan said:

TBH i am still thinking about that.

I might still do Porsche Slate Grey (non metallic, the colour Steve McQueen had his 911s in). can look greeny / grey depending on light

I had my 2.7 hotrod in it



forgot I nearly bought a CSK once!

[DKL]

DonkeyApple said:

I had an LSE that had been resprayed in Aston's Cumberland Grey and it did look nice. Maybe swerve the LR colour chart altogether and just chose the exact colour that you would like best?

Which is, of course, a deep Burgundy.

So Montpelier then, I may be biased but it's a nice colour.

[ClaphamGT3]

I will be intrigued to see what this one makes

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1979-Range-Rover-classic...

On the positive side, it does seem to be highly original and un-bodged, on the negative it needs simply everything doing by which time it would have lost the originality. If nothing else it should be a good be a good bellwether of the market - if it's topped out (I think it has) he'll struggle to shift it, if it makes strong money, we can assume that there's still some gas in the tank

[DonkeyApple]

DKL said:

DonkeyApple said:

I had an LSE that had been resprayed in Aston's Cumberland Grey and it did look nice. Maybe swerve the LR colour chart altogether and just chose the exact colour that you would like best?

Which is, of course, a deep Burgundy.

So Montpelier then, I may be biased but it's a nice colour.

I always thought that was a lovely colour on Rangies. Blood and custard usually works very well on big old British cars.

[DonkeyApple]

ClaphamGT3 said:

I will be intrigued to see what this one makes

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1979-Range-Rover-classic...

On the positive side, it does seem to be highly original and un-bodged, on the negative it needs simply everything doing by which time it would have lost the originality. If nothing else it should be a good be a good bellwether of the market - if it's topped out (I think it has) he'll struggle to shift it, if it makes strong money, we can assume that there's still some gas in the tank

I felt that the market for Rangies topped back in 2015 and have spent all of this year finding a solid base of around £10-£15 for quality late 4 doors and £20-£30 for solid early 2 doors and to break out of those zones they require a good story.

For a good quality restoration I'm not sure there is any commercial profit if you've got to strip the car to parts and weld up all the usual areas and then retrim the interior and respray the panels before even getting to the mechanicals. Even if you paid £1 for the car I'm not sure you'd be able to cover your costs. But a bit of a rapid bodge resto, a couple of days welding and covering with underseal, a blow over paint job and losing the interior fabric originality and there's probably a good profit?

Either way, I'm not sure the cars eorth much more than £2-£4K?

[ClaphamGT3]

DonkeyApple said:

ClaphamGT3 said:

I will be intrigued to see what this one makes

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1979-Range-Rover-classic...

On the positive side, it does seem to be highly original and un-bodged, on the negative it needs simply everything doing by which time it would have lost the originality. If nothing else it should be a good be a good bellwether of the market - if it's topped out (I think it has) he'll struggle to shift it, if it makes strong money, we can assume that there's still some gas in the tank

I felt that the market for Rangies topped back in 2015 and have spent all of this year finding a solid base of around £10-£15 for quality late 4 doors and £20-£30 for solid early 2 doors and to break out of those zones they require a good story.

For a good quality restoration I'm not sure there is any commercial profit if you've got to strip the car to parts and weld up all the usual areas and then retrim the interior and respray the panels before even getting to the mechanicals. Even if you paid £1 for the car I'm not sure you'd be able to cover your costs. But a bit of a rapid bodge resto, a couple of days welding and covering with underseal, a blow over paint job and losing the interior fabric originality and there's probably a good profit?

Either way, I'm not sure the cars eorth much more than £2-£4K?

That feels about right - £2k to buy and £20k to do a decent job on (and I think that's a bit tight) leaves, at best, £3k margin in it as a commercial proposition; and that's bearing in mind that it isn't a more desirable early car and it isn't in one of the more widely appealing colours.

As you say, I foresee as little MOT grade welding as a purchaser can get away with, some cheap s/h or pattern panels, a blow-over in Lincoln green two pack and an interior tart up with seats/door cards etc which may or may not be right for the model year and a 'bargain' sticker price of £14,995

[DonkeyApple]

Front fogs/auxiliaries. How on earth do I change the bulbs?

There seems to be no obvious access front or rear and it's beginning to look like I have to remove the front spoiler to gain access?

[squirdan]

ClaphamGT3 said:

That feels about right - £2k to buy and £20k to do a decent job on (and I think that's a bit tight) leaves, at best, £3k margin in it as a commercial proposition; and that's bearing in mind that it isn't a more desirable early car and it isn't in one of the more widely appealing colours.

As you say, I foresee as little MOT grade welding as a purchaser can get away with, some cheap s/h or pattern panels, a blow-over in Lincoln green two pack and an interior tart up with seats/door cards etc which may or may not be right for the model year and a 'bargain' sticker price of £14,995

exactly where I'm hoping to sell my Green 2 door. which is more messed about with (Nissan diesel) but a better colour.

meanwhile any thoughts on the 570 Overfinch thats come up on ebay today...whats that worth

I'm in the process of selling a house and hoping to exchange next week..if I do I might have a crack at that In Vogue you prev highlighted which is still unsold at £15k. I cant understand that, recalling that the "project" 2 door In Vogue sold for the same...

[squirdan]

also caught my eye.

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C822709

id love to know what the special features are but clearly some unusual bodywork on front wings

[DonkeyApple]

squirdan said:

exactly where I'm hoping to sell my Green 2 door. which is more messed about with (Nissan diesel) but a better colour.

meanwhile any thoughts on the 570 Overfinch thats come up on ebay today...whats that worth

I'm in the process of selling a house and hoping to exchange next week..if I do I might have a crack at that In Vogue you prev highlighted which is still unsold at £15k. I cant understand that, recalling that the "project" 2 door In Vogue sold for the same...

I sold my Overfinch for £45 a few years back but it was by far and away the best one ever built and had fully documented history, tons of supporting paperwork and had had a total resto before being converted. The owner had invoices from Overfinch for over £70k, a £25k invoice for the ICE, another £15 for the retrim and over £30 for the resto including the panelnoff respray in AM. In short, the chap wasted tens of thousands.

I also sold my In Vogue for £33 this year. It wasn't a full resto to mint but was an honest, solid car eith all original features and I'd gone through all the mechanics so it ran perfectly. Tidying up the engine bay back to originality took the most time and money.

The market has woken up to early 80s 4 doors fully and I still think those are the ones with growth potential. 4 door convenience with 2 door exterior looks.

I'm not sure I'd buy any Rangie from a Witney postcode.

[carmadgaz]

DonkeyApple said:

Front fogs/auxiliaries. How on earth do I change the bulbs?

There seems to be no obvious access front or rear and it's beginning to look like I have to remove the front spoiler to gain access?

Not sure about changing the bulb (mine were both tired so I replaced them wholesale). To undo them they say about taking the spoiler off but it isn't necessary. there is a bolt above the light unit that you can reach easily from the wheelarch (see illustration) with one hand while you hold the unit steady with the other. The connection is a standard econseal that is easy enough to disconnect (again you can make it out on the LHS of the pic).

[nickod]

DonkeyApple said:

I sold my Overfinch for £45 a few years back but it was by far and away the best one ever built and had fully documented history, tons of supporting paperwork and had had a total resto before being converted. The owner had invoices from Overfinch for over £70k, a £25k invoice for the ICE, another £15 for the retrim and over £30 for the resto including the panelnoff respray in AM. In short, the chap wasted tens of thousands.

I also sold my In Vogue for £33 this year. It wasn't a full resto to mint but was an honest, solid car eith all original features and I'd gone through all the mechanics so it ran perfectly. Tidying up the engine bay back to originality took the most time and money.

The market has woken up to early 80s 4 doors fully and I still think those are the ones with growth potential. 4 door convenience with 2 door exterior looks.

I'm not sure I'd buy any Rangie from a Witney postcode.

Whats the reason for not buying from the ' Witney' people if it's OK to ask?. I've just bought a late 4 door 3.5 ( privately) - I will post a picture when it's back from having some bits and pieces done. My first RR classic - Portofino with grey Velour.

[anonymous-user]

nickod said:

Whats the reason for not buying from the ' Witney' people if it's OK to ask?. I've just bought a late 4 door 3.5 ( privately) - I will post a picture when it's back from having some bits and pieces done. My first RR classic - Portofino with grey Velour.

That would be an ecumenical matter.

[nickod]

desolate said:

nickod said:

Whats the reason for not buying from the ' Witney' people if it's OK to ask?. I've just bought a late 4 door 3.5 ( privately) - I will post a picture when it's back from having some bits and pieces done. My first RR classic - Portofino with grey Velour.

That would be an ecumenical matter.

Feck

[wildcat45]

squirdan said:

also caught my eye.

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C822709

id love to know what the special features are but clearly some unusual bodywork on front wings

I spotted that. Shame the advert doesn't say more. Interior pictures would be good.

[squirdan]

From the vendor:

RANGE ROVER Classic” 1984, that was a very special order to the factory by a world-renown Greek tycoon-banker .
In 1998 we bought it, we serviced the car and we stored it ever since. With its original leather and velvet interior and with its classic V8 engine and 5 speed manual transmission.
Practically one owner from new and 136000 kms.

Very special options:

1. Impact proof front and rear bumpers.
2. SPAX shock absorbers (14 settings).
3. Special air intakes on the bonnet and front wings.
4. Salisbury LSD Differential, which is the biggest and better one from Land Rover ever put on a Range Rover. Almost they never put such a special differential on a normal Range Rover.
5. The Group delivering the motion from the gearbox to the 2 differentials is of a special reinforced type, having no connection with the normal Classic Range Rovers.
6. Manual Gearbox with 5 Speed and not a 4 Speed+ Ovedrive as on the normal Classic Range Rovers.
7. Two antiroll bars, 1 front and 1 rear for better handling as the normal Range Rovers until the 90’s have no one.
8. Very good air-conditioning system.

We believe that this Classic Range Rover with its very special extras and its very special owner’s history is one of the best and extremely few in Europe as a very expensive and so special order.

Thank you.

Kind regards.

Andreas Andronis
Collectors Cars
8, Polynikous str.,
Agios Dimitrios 17341,
Athens, Hellas.
Tel. [phone]

[DKL]

nickod said:

Whats the reason for not buying from the ' Witney' people if it's OK to ask?. I've just bought a late 4 door 3.5 ( privately) - I will post a picture when it's back from having some bits and pieces done. My first RR classic - Portofino with grey Velour.

I'm not entirely sure why Kingsley get such a bad wrap here. I've had a lot of work done on mine in the last couple of years, most recently by them. I found them easy to deal with, good at communication on the whole and the price, whilst alot, was comparable to 3 or 4 other quotes I had from other places.
The workshop is quite a sight with classics in various bits and states of repair.
They have certainly been easier to deal with than some specialists for other cars I've used before.
As ever you DYOR and go with what you're happy with and people won't always agree, personalities don't always align etc.
I'm not trying to change anyone's mind but I'd say they are well worth a conversation if they do what you need doing.

[DonkeyApple]

Yup. I'm just not exactly a fan of their restomod work having had a close look at a few in contrast to the pricing.