Engineer and proud?
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Not an engineer in a `paid to do it` sense of the word....but every fibre of my body thrives on engineering type stuff... ..pity I`m so good at engineering my way out of lots of the harder manual labour and stick projects in the garage under the `I`ll do that later/when I can be arsed` label......The mind is strong but the body`s weak..
It`s just a habit thing..I need to make it a habit to complete projects before running off to another one...
It`s just a habit thing..I need to make it a habit to complete projects before running off to another one...
Edited by F.M on Thursday 12th October 11:57
Nick P said:
My core trade is 'Aerospace Engineer'....i specialise in all the Avionics, electrics and defensive aids on my aircraft.....however with all members of the forces, our primary job is 'soldier' first, tradesman second
I thought you kept guard at the gate with a plastic rifle and a blank round...?
I'd class myself as a "proper engineer" left school at 16 and did an apprenticeship, at the end of it I got selected to go on and do my degree in electro mechanical, did me no good whatsoever as i specialised in underwater engineering and spent most of my time working in a dry suit on the mechanical aspects with the only reason the electro part came into play being a need to understand how sonar systems worked. Damaged a lung and had to pack up diving so went my own way and now work in manufacturing/fabricating metal products, spend all my time behind a desk now and only work on "solutions" from a paper perspective, can't actually remember the last time I got dirty and hands on at work, although saying that it does happen but normally when I want to do something for me.
Paul-C said:
timmy30 said:
Financial engineer? Software engineer? Do these count?
Absolutely, categorically not.
Used to know a 'proper' engineer and it used to wind him up no end when soemone who could write a line of VBA described themselves as an engineer, or some part qual accountant started going on about financial engineering.
ceebmoj said:
Paul-C said:
timmy30 said:
Financial engineer? Software engineer? Do these count?
Absolutely, categorically not.
why does Software engineer not count?
Because it's Modern Languages, not Engineering (I'm a software developer).
Engineering = physical stuff. Software doesn't fit.
Electronics engineer here and rightly proud of it.
Here are some ways to tell if you are an engineer
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Ben
Here are some ways to tell if you are an engineer
www.lotsofjokes.com/cat_153.htm
Ben
In this country the term Engineer can and has been applied to just about every trade (e.g, waste disposal engineer = Bin man (I am not dissing bin men)). In other countries the title Engineer is protected and people holding en Enginering qualification are referred to Eng. Smith in the same was a MD is call Dr. Smith. For my money if your hold a qualifed status recognised by the Engineering Council then you are an Engineer.
I'm a designer not an engineer. An engineer is a guy who drives an Astra van and fixes washing machines, or at least, that's the public perception.(no, me repeating it won't make it any better or any worse).
Taking into account the complexity of the work, the years of study, the financial rewards are not there, certainly not in the UK.
I would(will) persuade my kid not to choose engineering as a career without first comparing the salaries with those of other careers. It can be an interesting field, but I believe the job satisfaction is used by personnel depts to limit the salaries they can get away with paying.
Taking into account the complexity of the work, the years of study, the financial rewards are not there, certainly not in the UK.
I would(will) persuade my kid not to choose engineering as a career without first comparing the salaries with those of other careers. It can be an interesting field, but I believe the job satisfaction is used by personnel depts to limit the salaries they can get away with paying.
Unless you have a degree and are a member of a profesional body you are not an engineer. Good engineers do an apprenticeship first then go and do a degree. Things like software and chemistry I can understand but finance! B****x to that.
I have an apprenticeship and a couple of HNCs, that makes me a technician. Nowt wrong with that.
I f**king hate the way that the term engineer has been stolen in this country so when you say engineer people think you fix washing machines.
Graduate engineers should all be taken out and battered as most couldn't specify a washer with out help
And breath
I have an apprenticeship and a couple of HNCs, that makes me a technician. Nowt wrong with that.
I f**king hate the way that the term engineer has been stolen in this country so when you say engineer people think you fix washing machines.
Graduate engineers should all be taken out and battered as most couldn't specify a washer with out help
And breath
simpo two said:
Nick P said:
My core trade is 'Aerospace Engineer'....i specialise in all the Avionics, electrics and defensive aids on my aircraft.....however with all members of the forces, our primary job is 'soldier' first, tradesman second
I thought you kept guard at the gate with a plastic rifle and a blank round...?
nah, that was the good 'ole days......we have to do it properly now
bor said:
I'm a designer not an engineer. An engineer is a guy who drives an Astra van and fixes washing machines, or at least, that's the public perception.(no, me repeating it won't make it any better or any worse).
Taking into account the complexity of the work, the years of study, the financial rewards are not there, certainly not in the UK.
I would(will) persuade my kid not to choose engineering as a career without first comparing the salaries with those of other careers. It can be an interesting field, but I believe the job satisfaction is used by personnel depts to limit the salaries they can get away with paying.
Taking into account the complexity of the work, the years of study, the financial rewards are not there, certainly not in the UK.
I would(will) persuade my kid not to choose engineering as a career without first comparing the salaries with those of other careers. It can be an interesting field, but I believe the job satisfaction is used by personnel depts to limit the salaries they can get away with paying.
Here what you is saying...
I am a mechanical engineer, who is a designer in the aerospace industry. I certainly think that "engineers" should be a protected profession the same way accountants, lawyers and doctors are, with only chartered engineers being able to sign off certain projects.
This would have the effect of increasing the prestige of engineering and also the salaries of chartered engineers due to scarcity. Higher salaries would lead to more capable people being recruited and therefore more effective engineering being undertaken, therefore more jobs and increased economic prosperity for the country. - But the institutions won't get their fingers out and start demanding this.
The other reason engineers are poorly paid relative to other professions is because we are generally part of the cost base. If you look at most engineering companies one of their largest costs will be their wages bill. Hence there is a pressure to keep this down. Additionally if you start to pay engineers more all the other staff at the company (even if they are non value adding, not critical to the companies future prosperity) they tend to complain and demand the same salary. You could demand higher salaries for enigneers if they were a restricted profession though, see above.
If you are an actuary or a merchant banker you might be dealing with a pension fund or a merger of a multi-billion pound business. Thus the trustees of the fund/business don't really care if you take 0.01% of the cost of the fund to estimate the funds value or administer the merger of two companies its nothing to them. But when that 0.01% is spread out over two or three people it becomes lottery money wages.
Hence the only way to become a rich engineer is:
1. Get into an industry where individual engineers can make a big difference, and there is competition between companies. Formula 1 springs to mind where the top engineers get paid millions, fly around in private jets, have publicists and marry Hollywood stars.
2. Own your own IP, one good invention and you can licence it or own your own company. Fairly risky strategy
3. Work your way up the ladder, the top engineer at R-R earns something like £700K, this is long term solution and it has no guarantee of working.
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