Sharia Law for UK Muslims?
Discussion
Mannginger said:
www.guardian.co.uk/islam/story/0,15568,1362591,00.html
Some 61% wanted Islamic courts - operating on sharia principles - "so long as the penalties did not contravene British law".
Phil
Yes a hand can be useful, talk about wanting the best of both world.
A Muslim may have said "We want our own law so long as it doesn't hurt too much"
piccy mate said:
Really - here are a few headlines:
Saudi Arabia Blocks Religious Websites
A Filipino Christian employed for 14 years as an engineer in Saudi Arabia has been detained by police authorities since December 1 for suspected Christian activities.
Arrested for spreading Christianity in - SAUDI ARABIA
10 Months in Jail, 300 lashes. Hung upside down and kicked in ribs.
There was no Saudi reply to Bishops’ information request on O’Connor case NEW DELHI: A leading Christian organisation Wednesday appealed to Saudi Arabia to show mercy to an Indian Christian convicted of "spreading Christianity" in the Islamic kingdom.
Brian O'Connor of Karnataka was arrested in Saudi Arabia in March on charges of spreading Christianity.
He was sentenced to 10 months in prison and 300 lashes, the All India Catholic Union (AICU) said.
Christians arrested and persecuted in Saudi Arabia
Saudi law requires the nation's 15 million citizens to remain Muslims. Anyone who abandons Islam faces the death penalty.
I don't think that shows Christianity being tolerated.
Piccy
yertis said:
piccy mate said:
Thus Christianity is not recognised in Saudi Arabia.
Incorrect. Christianity is recognised (well, tolerated at least) - it's jews they have a big problem with.
>> Edited by piccy mate on Tuesday 30th November 16:01
Hmmm... they've tightened up since I was there then. Used to be that Christians were OK, so long as you didn't start banging the drum. Obviously they're off on when of their zealous phases...
IvIark said:
anniesdad said:
I LOVE CHRISTMAS !!! When I get over this man flu, I'm getting me tree up!! Hurrah.
Man after my own heart! It's having kids mate, it gets exciting again!
I've been watching Mickeys Twice Upon a Christmas a lot recently.....great film.
Bloody 2 year old daughter keeps wanting to watch The Koala Brothers though so I have to turn it off.
:boomboom:
sorry for the hijack. I'll get me coat.
>> Edited by anniesdad on Tuesday 30th November 16:22
yertis said:
Really - here are a few headlines:
Saudi Arabia Blocks Religious Websites
A Filipino Christian employed for 14 years as an engineer in Saudi Arabia has been detained by police authorities since December 1 for suspected Christian activities.
Arrested for spreading Christianity in - SAUDI ARABIA
10 Months in Jail, 300 lashes. Hung upside down and kicked in ribs.
There was no Saudi reply to Bishops’ information request on O’Connor case NEW DELHI: A leading Christian organisation Wednesday appealed to Saudi Arabia to show mercy to an Indian Christian convicted of "spreading Christianity" in the Islamic kingdom.
Brian O'Connor of Karnataka was arrested in Saudi Arabia in March on charges of spreading Christianity.
He was sentenced to 10 months in prison and 300 lashes, the All India Catholic Union (AICU) said.
Christians arrested and persecuted in Saudi Arabia
Saudi law requires the nation's 15 million citizens to remain Muslims. Anyone who abandons Islam faces the death penalty.
I don't think that shows Christianity being tolerated.
Piccy
yertis said:
piccy mate said:
Thus Christianity is not recognised in Saudi Arabia.
Incorrect. Christianity is recognised (well, tolerated at least) - it's jews they have a big problem with.
>> Edited by piccy mate on Tuesday 30th November 16:01
Hmmm... they've tightened up since I was there then. Used to be that Christians were OK, so long as you didn't start banging the drum. Obviously they're off on when of their zealous phases...
Everybody on my compound was visited by Al Muttawa (Islamic Police) in 1998 when Christmas coincided with Ramadan. We were forced to destroy all Christmas decorations and several people were arrested after being found to be in possessionof bibles and crucifixes.
A Filipino man who worked for us was detained for months, along with several men, women and children, for organising a weekly Catholic service in the compound where they lived.
anniesdad said:
I've been watching Mickeys Twice Upon a Christmas a lot recently.....great film.
Bloody 2 year old daughter keeps wanting to watch The Koala Brothers though so I have to turn it off.
:boomboom:
I'm moving him onto Barney's Christmas Carol just to get in the swing of things.
Hmmm I think we should think carefully before dismissing this. As a practising Jedi Knight it is necessary for me to "Use the Force" daily, indeed it is my equivalent of prayer. I therefore achieve maximum speed as frequently as I can to ensure my powers are honed to perfection. As a consequence I should of course be immune from prosecution because under Jedi tradition a Knight must be able to practice. 
It's a wierd place - that's when I was out there (1994 - 2000, off and on) - I never had problems with the Mutawa. BUT that's probably because I wasn't often on my own (usually with NCB big-wigs) or outside of downtown Jeddah, which by KSA standards is cosmopolitan.
Did you notice the ebb and flow of Islamic influence though? 1994 seemed on a bit of a fundamentalist kick, quite relaxed by 1997 (I even saw young girs mixing with boys on Al Tahlia Street, and unveiled faces), fundamentalist trends again around 2000?
Did you notice the ebb and flow of Islamic influence though? 1994 seemed on a bit of a fundamentalist kick, quite relaxed by 1997 (I even saw young girs mixing with boys on Al Tahlia Street, and unveiled faces), fundamentalist trends again around 2000?
ed it up.
Bollocks! piccy mate said:
Talking of Jedi's at the last census I declared my religion as Jedi along with many thousands of others. In fact so many voted that by law it should have been declared a religion. The Government neatly stepped round it by putting Jedis in with 'other religion'
Jedi Piccy
i though jedi came 47th, out of 90 odd religions.
Mannginger said:
There is also a strong appetite within the Muslim community to become a closer part of British life, with 40% saying they need to do more to integrate into mainstream British culture.
Which leave a majority of 60% who didn't say they needed to do more to integrate - how can this be called a "strong appetite"?
The Muttawa have backed off significantly in the last year, in line with the government efforts to limit extremism following the bombs and shootings. Sunni Islam is the state religion and all symbols of other religions and non muslim religious books are banned - including christmas trees, valentines cards etc. Private religious observance is tolerated but gatherings or overt displays will result in deportation or prison. Riyadh is stricter than either Jeddah or Khobar, but it is close to Buraidah, the home of wahabism, so I guess that's to be expected.
Saudi Arabis has always blown hot and cold, those little old Mataws would be banging their sticks on the ground then you wouldn't see them for a while.
Saudis (and Kuwatis) are not always held in high esteem by other Muslums. I don't really want to elaborate on that. Except to say that whenever I was in a Saudi home it was not unusual to be offered alcohol, I usually declined the offer unless they drank themselves. Many of them did not.
With regard to UK muslums having their own laws, on priciple it has to be a catagoric no.
If they wish to observe their religous laws,like don't do this, don't do that, I see no problem. Gonna close a few pubs though.
Saudis (and Kuwatis) are not always held in high esteem by other Muslums. I don't really want to elaborate on that. Except to say that whenever I was in a Saudi home it was not unusual to be offered alcohol, I usually declined the offer unless they drank themselves. Many of them did not.
With regard to UK muslums having their own laws, on priciple it has to be a catagoric no.
If they wish to observe their religous laws,like don't do this, don't do that, I see no problem. Gonna close a few pubs though.
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